America's Gun Violence
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            ^ This guy is clearly not a responsible gun owner. He’s a moron.0
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            bbiggs said:^ This guy is clearly not a responsible gun owner. He’s a moron.
 He was a “responsible” gun owner until he wasn’t.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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 Says who? He may have always been irresponsible. I get what you’re saying, but my point is that such a thing (“responsible”) does exist. Clearly not from this clown.Halifax2TheMax said:bbiggs said:^ This guy is clearly not a responsible gun owner. He’s a moron.
 He was a “responsible” gun owner until he wasn’t.0
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 The NRA and pro gun crowd would have you believe that every gun begins as a legal firearm and every legal gun buyer starts out as a “responsible” gun owner. I’m arguing that they’re “responsible” until they’re not. Thus, no recurring licensing or requirements to exhibit that you continue to “responsible” with a firearm after purchase.bbiggs said:
 Says who? He may have always been irresponsible. I get what you’re saying, but my point is that such a thing (“responsible”) does exist. Clearly not from this clown.Halifax2TheMax said:bbiggs said:^ This guy is clearly not a responsible gun owner. He’s a moron.
 He was a “responsible” gun owner until he wasn’t.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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            Halifax2TheMax said:bbiggs said:^ This guy is clearly not a responsible gun owner. He’s a moron.
 He was a “responsible” gun owner until he wasn’t.
 The point that is irrefutable, yet unacceptable by the proponents of guns that speak to 'responsible ownership' as some form of an argument against sensible legislation.
 Every gun has the same start in life. 'Irresponsible' is used selectively every time a weapon is misused... as if there is no link to 'responsible'."My brain's a good brain!"0
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            Plenty of morons out there... with guns0
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 About as likely to get charged as Trump...I honestly don’t know, last I heard she is being investigated by the ATF...And as you know, investigations take time.dignin said:
 Who is Karen Moulder? I'm interested to here more about that story.PJPOWER said:
 Seriously stupid, but politicians are not historically known for being positive examples of firearm safety...Remember Biden’s comment about “just shoot the shotgun in the air” to scare a home intruder away and the recent Karen Moulder creating an illegal firearm and recording it on Facebook for all to see...The people making the laws don’t know shit about firearms.mace1229 said:
 That is a pretty bad ad. Terrible idea to use a gun like that and point it at the kid like its a toy.Halifax2TheMax said:Just another “responsible” gun owner, running for office no less.
 Shocking Gun Ad By Georgia Gubernatorial Candidate Brian Kemp Backfires - HuffPost https://apple.news/Ae94eeBgDQBuZCNU9eg4kFw
 
 Ha, ha funny too.
 I do remember a Karen Mallard who destroyed a gun and who you said would be charged, how is that investigation going? Charges imminent?
 Does it upset you that I keep mentioning the quack (get it, “Mallard”, lol)
 And I said that she “should” be charged, not that she “would”. I still hope she does, as any irresponsible gun owner should.
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 I’m actually a rarity on this topic. I am a responsible firearm owner (no quotes around responsible). There is such a thing, contrary to what some think. There are also way too many irresponsible firearm owners, both legally and illegally. I’d be accepting of much stricter gun laws, including extensive background checks, psychological testing, etc. I’d also be willing to ban any firearm that has a 30 round magazine (i.e. assault rifles). If those two concessions were made (hypothetically) by the NRA and “pro-gun crowd,” would that be sufficient? I think the problem then becomes, if those laws are passed and someone goes on a rampage with a handgun, those will be the next target. Curious to hear your take.Halifax2TheMax said:
 The NRA and pro gun crowd would have you believe that every gun begins as a legal firearm and every legal gun buyer starts out as a “responsible” gun owner. I’m arguing that they’re “responsible” until they’re not. Thus, no recurring licensing or requirements to exhibit that you continue to “responsible” with a firearm after purchase.bbiggs said:
 Says who? He may have always been irresponsible. I get what you’re saying, but my point is that such a thing (“responsible”) does exist. Clearly not from this clown.Halifax2TheMax said:bbiggs said:^ This guy is clearly not a responsible gun owner. He’s a moron.
 He was a “responsible” gun owner until he wasn’t.0
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 “If” someone goes on a rampage? Are you suggesting that there isn’t already handgun violence every single day in the US? It just tends to be somewhat more limited in number of victims per incident.bbiggs said:
 I’m actually a rarity on this topic. I am a responsible firearm owner (no quotes around responsible). There is such a thing, contrary to what some think. There are also way too many irresponsible firearm owners, both legally and illegally. I’d be accepting of much stricter gun laws, including extensive background checks, psychological testing, etc. I’d also be willing to ban any firearm that has a 30 round magazine (i.e. assault rifles). If those two concessions were made (hypothetically) by the NRA and “pro-gun crowd,” would that be sufficient? I think the problem then becomes, if those laws are passed and someone goes on a rampage with a handgun, those will be the next target. Curious to hear your take.Halifax2TheMax said:
 The NRA and pro gun crowd would have you believe that every gun begins as a legal firearm and every legal gun buyer starts out as a “responsible” gun owner. I’m arguing that they’re “responsible” until they’re not. Thus, no recurring licensing or requirements to exhibit that you continue to “responsible” with a firearm after purchase.bbiggs said:
 Says who? He may have always been irresponsible. I get what you’re saying, but my point is that such a thing (“responsible”) does exist. Clearly not from this clown.Halifax2TheMax said:bbiggs said:^ This guy is clearly not a responsible gun owner. He’s a moron.
 He was a “responsible” gun owner until he wasn’t.
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 I didn’t say “if” in the context you’re implying. Re-read please. I said “IF those laws are passed AND someone goes on a rampage.”oftenreading said:
 “If” someone goes on a rampage? Are you suggesting that there isn’t already handgun violence every single day in the US? It just tends to be somewhat more limited in number of victims per incident.bbiggs said:
 I’m actually a rarity on this topic. I am a responsible firearm owner (no quotes around responsible). There is such a thing, contrary to what some think. There are also way too many irresponsible firearm owners, both legally and illegally. I’d be accepting of much stricter gun laws, including extensive background checks, psychological testing, etc. I’d also be willing to ban any firearm that has a 30 round magazine (i.e. assault rifles). If those two concessions were made (hypothetically) by the NRA and “pro-gun crowd,” would that be sufficient? I think the problem then becomes, if those laws are passed and someone goes on a rampage with a handgun, those will be the next target. Curious to hear your take.Halifax2TheMax said:
 The NRA and pro gun crowd would have you believe that every gun begins as a legal firearm and every legal gun buyer starts out as a “responsible” gun owner. I’m arguing that they’re “responsible” until they’re not. Thus, no recurring licensing or requirements to exhibit that you continue to “responsible” with a firearm after purchase.bbiggs said:
 Says who? He may have always been irresponsible. I get what you’re saying, but my point is that such a thing (“responsible”) does exist. Clearly not from this clown.Halifax2TheMax said:bbiggs said:^ This guy is clearly not a responsible gun owner. He’s a moron.
 He was a “responsible” gun owner until he wasn’t.
 
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            Furthermore, out of my entire post and the question at hand, that is the only takeaway? If you read what I said you’d see I’m very much willing to have changes made that will reduce the number of senseless acts that we see far too often. I’m not all or nothing like most people are on this topic.0
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 I would disagree with that. Most, but probably not all guns start legally. What I disagree with more is there’s definitely a lot of people legally buying guns who shouldn’t. I’ve seen plenty of irresponsible gun owners myself who probably should have never been allowed to buy a gun.Halifax2TheMax said:
 The NRA and pro gun crowd would have you believe that every gun begins as a legal firearm and every legal gun buyer starts out as a “responsible” gun owner. I’m arguing that they’re “responsible” until they’re not. Thus, no recurring licensing or requirements to exhibit that you continue to “responsible” with a firearm after purchase.bbiggs said:
 Says who? He may have always been irresponsible. I get what you’re saying, but my point is that such a thing (“responsible”) does exist. Clearly not from this clown.Halifax2TheMax said:bbiggs said:^ This guy is clearly not a responsible gun owner. He’s a moron.
 He was a “responsible” gun owner until he wasn’t.
 I don’t have stats in front of me, but I’ve seen it posted several times that majority of gun owners are for gun control. My point is most gun owners don’t want those irresponsible people having guns just as much as you don’t.
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 Then, if that’s the case, why aren’t the vast majority of “responsible” gun owners pressuring the NRA and their elected officials to pass “responsible” gun control legislation that addresses some of those issues? Silence = complicity.mace1229 said:
 I would disagree with that. Most, but probably not all guns start legally. What I disagree with more is there’s definitely a lot of people legally buying guns who shouldn’t. I’ve seen plenty of irresponsible gun owners myself who probably should have never been allowed to buy a gun.Halifax2TheMax said:
 The NRA and pro gun crowd would have you believe that every gun begins as a legal firearm and every legal gun buyer starts out as a “responsible” gun owner. I’m arguing that they’re “responsible” until they’re not. Thus, no recurring licensing or requirements to exhibit that you continue to “responsible” with a firearm after purchase.bbiggs said:
 Says who? He may have always been irresponsible. I get what you’re saying, but my point is that such a thing (“responsible”) does exist. Clearly not from this clown.Halifax2TheMax said:bbiggs said:^ This guy is clearly not a responsible gun owner. He’s a moron.
 He was a “responsible” gun owner until he wasn’t.
 I don’t have stats in front of me, but I’ve seen it posted several times that majority of gun owners are for gun control. My point is most gun owners don’t want those irresponsible people having guns just as much as you don’t.
 Is there a vast network of illegal gun manufacturers supplying the majority of guns in America?Post edited by Halifax2TheMax on09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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 Of course responsible gun owners exist. Most of them are responsible, until they're notbbiggs said:
 Says who? He may have always been irresponsible. I get what you’re saying, but my point is that such a thing (“responsible”) does exist. Clearly not from this clown.Halifax2TheMax said:bbiggs said:^ This guy is clearly not a responsible gun owner. He’s a moron.
 He was a “responsible” gun owner until he wasn’t.will myself to find a home, a home within myself
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            “Responsible” gun rights advocates allowing for foreign money, from Russia no less, to influence an election. You don’t suddenly spend $30 million dollars, more than the two previous presidential elections combined, to get Team Trump Treason elected, without collusion. Traitors.
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            Just another good guy with guns exercising his 2A rights.....
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 I’m sure if we had more laws, that would have stopped him.Bentleyspop said:Just another good guy with guns exercising his 2A rights.....0
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            PJPOWER said:
 I’m sure if we had more laws, that would have stopped him.Bentleyspop said:Just another good guy with guns exercising his 2A rights.....
 Less guns might have though."My brain's a good brain!"0
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 Or it may have increased his clientele and motivation. Supply and demand.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:PJPOWER said:
 I’m sure if we had more laws, that would have stopped him.Bentleyspop said:Just another good guy with guns exercising his 2A rights.....
 Less guns might have though.0
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 Or enforceable and verifiable limitations on the number of firearms he could purchase in a given time frame but we all know “responsible” straw purchasers don’t exist.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:PJPOWER said:
 I’m sure if we had more laws, that would have stopped him.Bentleyspop said:Just another good guy with guns exercising his 2A rights.....
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