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  • bbiggs
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    ^ This guy is clearly not a responsible gun owner. He’s a moron. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    bbiggs said:
    ^ This guy is clearly not a responsible gun owner. He’s a moron. 

    He was a “responsible” gun owner until he wasn’t.
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  • bbiggs
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    bbiggs said:
    ^ This guy is clearly not a responsible gun owner. He’s a moron. 

    He was a “responsible” gun owner until he wasn’t.
    Says who? He may have always been irresponsible. I get what you’re saying, but my point is that such a thing (“responsible”) does exist. Clearly not from this clown. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    bbiggs said:
    bbiggs said:
    ^ This guy is clearly not a responsible gun owner. He’s a moron. 

    He was a “responsible” gun owner until he wasn’t.
    Says who? He may have always been irresponsible. I get what you’re saying, but my point is that such a thing (“responsible”) does exist. Clearly not from this clown. 
    The NRA and pro gun crowd would have you believe that every gun begins as a legal firearm and every legal gun buyer starts out as a “responsible” gun owner. I’m arguing that they’re “responsible” until they’re not. Thus, no recurring licensing or requirements to exhibit that you continue to “responsible” with a firearm after purchase.
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  • bbiggs said:
    ^ This guy is clearly not a responsible gun owner. He’s a moron. 

    He was a “responsible” gun owner until he wasn’t.

    The point that is irrefutable, yet unacceptable by the proponents of guns that speak to 'responsible ownership' as some form of an argument against sensible legislation.

    Every gun has the same start in life. 'Irresponsible' is used selectively every time a weapon is misused... as if there is no link to 'responsible'.
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Plenty of morons out there... with guns
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited May 2018
    dignin said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mace1229 said:
    Just another “responsible” gun owner, running for office no less.

    Shocking Gun Ad By Georgia Gubernatorial Candidate Brian Kemp Backfires - HuffPost https://apple.news/Ae94eeBgDQBuZCNU9eg4kFw
     
    Ha, ha funny too.
    That is a pretty bad ad. Terrible idea to use a gun like that and point it at the kid like its a toy. 
    Seriously stupid, but politicians are not historically known for being positive examples of firearm safety...Remember Biden’s comment about “just shoot the shotgun in the air” to scare a home intruder away and the recent Karen Moulder creating an illegal firearm and recording it on Facebook for all to see...The people making the laws don’t know shit about firearms.
    Who is Karen Moulder? I'm interested to here more about that story.

    I do remember a Karen Mallard who destroyed a gun and who you said would be charged, how is that investigation going? Charges imminent?
    About as likely to get charged as Trump...I honestly don’t know, last I heard she is being investigated by the ATF...And as you know, investigations take time.  
    Does it upset you that I keep mentioning the quack (get it, “Mallard”, lol)
    And I said that she “should” be charged, not that she “would”.  I still hope she does, as any irresponsible gun owner should.
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  • bbiggs
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    bbiggs said:
    bbiggs said:
    ^ This guy is clearly not a responsible gun owner. He’s a moron. 

    He was a “responsible” gun owner until he wasn’t.
    Says who? He may have always been irresponsible. I get what you’re saying, but my point is that such a thing (“responsible”) does exist. Clearly not from this clown. 
    The NRA and pro gun crowd would have you believe that every gun begins as a legal firearm and every legal gun buyer starts out as a “responsible” gun owner. I’m arguing that they’re “responsible” until they’re not. Thus, no recurring licensing or requirements to exhibit that you continue to “responsible” with a firearm after purchase.
    I’m actually a rarity on this topic. I am a responsible firearm owner (no quotes around responsible). There is such a thing, contrary to what some think.  There are also way too many irresponsible firearm owners, both legally and illegally.  I’d be accepting of much stricter gun laws, including extensive background checks, psychological testing, etc. I’d also be willing to ban any firearm that has a 30 round magazine (i.e. assault rifles).  If those two concessions were made (hypothetically) by the NRA and “pro-gun crowd,” would that be sufficient? I think the problem then becomes, if those laws are passed and someone goes on a rampage with a handgun, those will be the next target. Curious to hear your take. 
  • oftenreading
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    bbiggs said:
    bbiggs said:
    bbiggs said:
    ^ This guy is clearly not a responsible gun owner. He’s a moron. 

    He was a “responsible” gun owner until he wasn’t.
    Says who? He may have always been irresponsible. I get what you’re saying, but my point is that such a thing (“responsible”) does exist. Clearly not from this clown. 
    The NRA and pro gun crowd would have you believe that every gun begins as a legal firearm and every legal gun buyer starts out as a “responsible” gun owner. I’m arguing that they’re “responsible” until they’re not. Thus, no recurring licensing or requirements to exhibit that you continue to “responsible” with a firearm after purchase.
    I’m actually a rarity on this topic. I am a responsible firearm owner (no quotes around responsible). There is such a thing, contrary to what some think.  There are also way too many irresponsible firearm owners, both legally and illegally.  I’d be accepting of much stricter gun laws, including extensive background checks, psychological testing, etc. I’d also be willing to ban any firearm that has a 30 round magazine (i.e. assault rifles).  If those two concessions were made (hypothetically) by the NRA and “pro-gun crowd,” would that be sufficient? I think the problem then becomes, if those laws are passed and someone goes on a rampage with a handgun, those will be the next target. Curious to hear your take. 
    “If” someone goes on a rampage? Are you suggesting that there isn’t already handgun violence every single day in the US? It just tends to be somewhat more limited in number of victims per incident. 
     
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  • bbiggs
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    bbiggs said:
    bbiggs said:
    bbiggs said:
    ^ This guy is clearly not a responsible gun owner. He’s a moron. 

    He was a “responsible” gun owner until he wasn’t.
    Says who? He may have always been irresponsible. I get what you’re saying, but my point is that such a thing (“responsible”) does exist. Clearly not from this clown. 
    The NRA and pro gun crowd would have you believe that every gun begins as a legal firearm and every legal gun buyer starts out as a “responsible” gun owner. I’m arguing that they’re “responsible” until they’re not. Thus, no recurring licensing or requirements to exhibit that you continue to “responsible” with a firearm after purchase.
    I’m actually a rarity on this topic. I am a responsible firearm owner (no quotes around responsible). There is such a thing, contrary to what some think.  There are also way too many irresponsible firearm owners, both legally and illegally.  I’d be accepting of much stricter gun laws, including extensive background checks, psychological testing, etc. I’d also be willing to ban any firearm that has a 30 round magazine (i.e. assault rifles).  If those two concessions were made (hypothetically) by the NRA and “pro-gun crowd,” would that be sufficient? I think the problem then becomes, if those laws are passed and someone goes on a rampage with a handgun, those will be the next target. Curious to hear your take. 
    “If” someone goes on a rampage? Are you suggesting that there isn’t already handgun violence every single day in the US? It just tends to be somewhat more limited in number of victims per incident. 
     
    I didn’t say “if” in the context you’re implying.  Re-read please.  I said “IF those laws are passed AND someone goes on a rampage.”            






                                 
  • bbiggs
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    Furthermore, out of my entire post and the question at hand, that is the only takeaway? If you read what I said you’d see I’m very much willing to have changes made that will reduce the number of senseless acts that we see far too often. I’m not all or nothing like most people are on this topic. 
  • mace1229
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    bbiggs said:
    bbiggs said:
    ^ This guy is clearly not a responsible gun owner. He’s a moron. 

    He was a “responsible” gun owner until he wasn’t.
    Says who? He may have always been irresponsible. I get what you’re saying, but my point is that such a thing (“responsible”) does exist. Clearly not from this clown. 
    The NRA and pro gun crowd would have you believe that every gun begins as a legal firearm and every legal gun buyer starts out as a “responsible” gun owner. I’m arguing that they’re “responsible” until they’re not. Thus, no recurring licensing or requirements to exhibit that you continue to “responsible” with a firearm after purchase.
    I would disagree with that. Most, but probably not all guns start legally. What I disagree with more is there’s definitely a lot of people legally buying guns who shouldn’t. I’ve seen plenty of irresponsible gun owners myself who probably should have never been allowed to buy a gun. 
    I don’t have stats in front of me, but I’ve seen it posted several times that majority of gun owners are for gun control. My point is most gun owners don’t want those irresponsible people having guns just as much as you don’t.

  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,163
    edited May 2018
    mace1229 said:
    bbiggs said:
    bbiggs said:
    ^ This guy is clearly not a responsible gun owner. He’s a moron. 

    He was a “responsible” gun owner until he wasn’t.
    Says who? He may have always been irresponsible. I get what you’re saying, but my point is that such a thing (“responsible”) does exist. Clearly not from this clown. 
    The NRA and pro gun crowd would have you believe that every gun begins as a legal firearm and every legal gun buyer starts out as a “responsible” gun owner. I’m arguing that they’re “responsible” until they’re not. Thus, no recurring licensing or requirements to exhibit that you continue to “responsible” with a firearm after purchase.
    I would disagree with that. Most, but probably not all guns start legally. What I disagree with more is there’s definitely a lot of people legally buying guns who shouldn’t. I’ve seen plenty of irresponsible gun owners myself who probably should have never been allowed to buy a gun. 
    I don’t have stats in front of me, but I’ve seen it posted several times that majority of gun owners are for gun control. My point is most gun owners don’t want those irresponsible people having guns just as much as you don’t.

    Then, if that’s the case, why aren’t the vast majority of “responsible” gun owners pressuring the NRA and their elected officials to pass “responsible” gun control legislation that addresses some of those issues? Silence = complicity.

    Is there a vast network of illegal gun manufacturers supplying the majority of guns in America? 
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    bbiggs said:
    bbiggs said:
    ^ This guy is clearly not a responsible gun owner. He’s a moron. 

    He was a “responsible” gun owner until he wasn’t.
    Says who? He may have always been irresponsible. I get what you’re saying, but my point is that such a thing (“responsible”) does exist. Clearly not from this clown. 
    Of course responsible gun owners exist. Most of them are responsible,  until they're not
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    “Responsible” gun rights advocates allowing for foreign money, from Russia no less, to influence an election. You don’t suddenly spend $30 million dollars, more than the two previous presidential elections combined, to get Team Trump Treason elected, without collusion. Traitors.

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  • Bentleyspop
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    Just another good guy with guns exercising  his 2A rights.....


  • PJPOWER
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    Just another good guy with guns exercising  his 2A rights.....


    I’m sure if we had more laws, that would have stopped him.
  • PJPOWER said:
    Just another good guy with guns exercising  his 2A rights.....


    I’m sure if we had more laws, that would have stopped him.

    Less guns might have though.
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited May 2018
    PJPOWER said:
    Just another good guy with guns exercising  his 2A rights.....


    I’m sure if we had more laws, that would have stopped him.

    Less guns might have though.
    Or it may have increased his clientele and motivation.  Supply and demand.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    PJPOWER said:
    Just another good guy with guns exercising  his 2A rights.....


    I’m sure if we had more laws, that would have stopped him.

    Less guns might have though.
    Or enforceable and verifiable limitations on the number of firearms he could purchase in a given time frame but we all know “responsible” straw purchasers don’t exist.
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