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I would definitely put homo sapiens on the "endangered species" list. Without a doubt.Meltdown99 said:
Here's the way I see it. The vast majority of earths population are likely poor people. We all no oil and coal is bad for the planet, but they are also attainable for even poor people/countries to afford electricity, fuel, natural gas...I think you get the point. If electric vehicles were on the verge of taking off I have no doubt the big automakers would be pushing this...once again I'n no expert, but the major auto companies sell to the masses...most of the masses can only afford reasonably priced autos...however, I am beginning to wonder what reasonably priced is these days. Species go extinct constantly, probably from the beginning of time ... new species are found. What make humans think they can not go extinct ... and if we do, so what...maybe that the circle. We are no more special than my pet Dog...we are arrogant enough to think we are...that the mistake we are making.brianlux said:
Thanks, we need it, haha! Yes, overpopulation is one of (maybe THE) root cause of the problem.Meltdown99 said:Good luck ... as long as people continue to over populate the planet, the planet is screwd.
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I for one don't law wake worrying about the planet, it's out of my control...brianlux said:
I would definitely put homo sapiens on the "endangered species" list. Without a doubt.Meltdown99 said:
Here's the way I see it. The vast majority of earths population are likely poor people. We all no oil and coal is bad for the planet, but they are also attainable for even poor people/countries to afford electricity, fuel, natural gas...I think you get the point. If electric vehicles were on the verge of taking off I have no doubt the big automakers would be pushing this...once again I'n no expert, but the major auto companies sell to the masses...most of the masses can only afford reasonably priced autos...however, I am beginning to wonder what reasonably priced is these days. Species go extinct constantly, probably from the beginning of time ... new species are found. What make humans think they can not go extinct ... and if we do, so what...maybe that the circle. We are no more special than my pet Dog...we are arrogant enough to think we are...that the mistake we are making.brianlux said:
Thanks, we need it, haha! Yes, overpopulation is one of (maybe THE) root cause of the problem.Meltdown99 said:Good luck ... as long as people continue to over populate the planet, the planet is screwd.
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I don't either. Truly. I don't worry about the really big things. That's a waste of time. I do try to do my little minuscule part to make a difference in the big things, that's all.Meltdown99 said:
I for one don't law wake worrying about the planet, it's out of my control...brianlux said:
I would definitely put homo sapiens on the "endangered species" list. Without a doubt.Meltdown99 said:
Here's the way I see it. The vast majority of earths population are likely poor people. We all no oil and coal is bad for the planet, but they are also attainable for even poor people/countries to afford electricity, fuel, natural gas...I think you get the point. If electric vehicles were on the verge of taking off I have no doubt the big automakers would be pushing this...once again I'n no expert, but the major auto companies sell to the masses...most of the masses can only afford reasonably priced autos...however, I am beginning to wonder what reasonably priced is these days. Species go extinct constantly, probably from the beginning of time ... new species are found. What make humans think they can not go extinct ... and if we do, so what...maybe that the circle. We are no more special than my pet Dog...we are arrogant enough to think we are...that the mistake we are making.brianlux said:
Thanks, we need it, haha! Yes, overpopulation is one of (maybe THE) root cause of the problem.Meltdown99 said:Good luck ... as long as people continue to over populate the planet, the planet is screwd.
No, what I lay awake for (when I do) are the little things. Will the mice come back into my attic or the rats into my car's engine? Will my neck still be sore in the more (yes, its is)? Will my neighbor cut down the bushes that provide a little privacy between our houses (yes, he did)? That kind of thing.
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I hear about the rats. Had a rat problem last winter as well. I tried everything, then I noticed a couple stray cats ... have not seen a rat in a while...well that's not totally true, turn on the news and the rats are disguised a politicians brainwashing people that they care.brianlux said:
I don't either. Truly. I don't worry about the really big things. That's a waste of time. I do try to do my little minuscule part to make a difference in the big things, that's all.Meltdown99 said:
I for one don't law wake worrying about the planet, it's out of my control...brianlux said:
I would definitely put homo sapiens on the "endangered species" list. Without a doubt.Meltdown99 said:
Here's the way I see it. The vast majority of earths population are likely poor people. We all no oil and coal is bad for the planet, but they are also attainable for even poor people/countries to afford electricity, fuel, natural gas...I think you get the point. If electric vehicles were on the verge of taking off I have no doubt the big automakers would be pushing this...once again I'n no expert, but the major auto companies sell to the masses...most of the masses can only afford reasonably priced autos...however, I am beginning to wonder what reasonably priced is these days. Species go extinct constantly, probably from the beginning of time ... new species are found. What make humans think they can not go extinct ... and if we do, so what...maybe that the circle. We are no more special than my pet Dog...we are arrogant enough to think we are...that the mistake we are making.brianlux said:
Thanks, we need it, haha! Yes, overpopulation is one of (maybe THE) root cause of the problem.Meltdown99 said:Good luck ... as long as people continue to over populate the planet, the planet is screwd.
No, what I lay awake for (when I do) are the little things. Will the mice come back into my attic or the rats into my car's engine? Will my neck still be sore in the more (yes, its is)? Will my neighbor cut down the bushes that provide a little privacy between our houses (yes, he did)? That kind of thing.
When it comes to the environment ... I just try to do my part. I got reasons why I will not get behind the politicians and their cap n trade or carbon tax scam...partly because in Ontario the current front runner in the up coming election has vowed to get rid of the cap n trade scam...our current premier who's is less popular than Trump, has stated that getting rid of the cap n trade scam will cost 40 000 public sector jobs...I thought carbon taxes and cap n trade was intended to fund environmental initiatives. It appears that in Ontario, it's just another tax...We could use to shed some of the bloated public sector.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
My step-daughter made a wonderful post of FB today that was super inspiring. I've been trying to do my little part for decades and at times, when I see the mess we're in, I just get plain discouraged. So her words were a real inspiration and I learned something so simple I can't believe I didn't know (or at least remember) it- bamboo straws. She carries one with her because she likes to drink with a straw and bamboo is so much better than plastic. She going to give me one when I see her this week end. One little thing like that times a few billion could really make a difference. I'm so happy to be re-inspired!
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Banning straws is another ill conceived plan ... a quick google search revealed 6 bamboo straws $9.50, now that was a quick search...but hospitals, nursing/seniors home, disabled people needs the of use of straws...and these places need the use of re-usable straws...once again for the masses it comes down to cost effectiveness...Give Peas A Chance…0
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If we take the negative approach by using the phrase it "banning" people are going to get turned off. I'd rather take the positive approach and encourage people. Sure, bamboo is more expensive but they are reusable. In the long run, that means less expensive. It's also useful to consider that creating a healthier environment is going to cost in the short run, save (in more ways than one!) in the long run.Meltdown99 said:Banning straws is another ill conceived plan ... a quick google search revealed 6 bamboo straws $9.50, now that was a quick search...but hospitals, nursing/seniors home, disabled people needs the of use of straws...and these places need the use of re-usable straws...once again for the masses it comes down to cost effectiveness...
Kurt Vonnegut once said:
“If flying-saucer creatures or angels or whatever were to come here in a hundred years, say, and find us gone like the dinosaurs, what might be a good message for humanity to leave for them, maybe carved in great big letters on a Grand Canyon wall? “Here is this old poop’s suggestion: WE PROBABLY COULD HAVE SAVED OURSELVES, BUT WERE TOO DAMNED LAZY TO TRY VERY HARD… We might well add this: AND TOO DAMN CHEAP.”
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Yes they are renewable ... I just do not see hospitals, nursing homes/senior homes, people who work with the disabled or even restaurants switching over to re-usable straws just because of risk of improper sterilization happening...I do find it humorous that many of these politicians who want straws banned, seem to never mention all the other unnecessary plastic that could easily be banned ... like bottled water/pop...hmmm...could it be these politicians are bought off by the water/plastic industry...the straw industry needs better lobbyist...the poor old straw, probably never saw this ill conceived attack coming...time to hire lobbyist, donate a few buck to the right politicians and plastic straws live on in infamy...happily ever after.brianlux said:
If we take the negative approach by using the phrase it "banning" people are going to get turned off. I'd rather take the positive approach and encourage people. Sure, bamboo is more expensive but they are reusable. In the long run, that means less expensive. It's also useful to consider that creating a healthier environment is going to cost in the short run, save (in more ways than one!) in the long run.Meltdown99 said:Banning straws is another ill conceived plan ... a quick google search revealed 6 bamboo straws $9.50, now that was a quick search...but hospitals, nursing/seniors home, disabled people needs the of use of straws...and these places need the use of re-usable straws...once again for the masses it comes down to cost effectiveness...
Kurt Vonnegut once said:
“If flying-saucer creatures or angels or whatever were to come here in a hundred years, say, and find us gone like the dinosaurs, what might be a good message for humanity to leave for them, maybe carved in great big letters on a Grand Canyon wall? “Here is this old poop’s suggestion: WE PROBABLY COULD HAVE SAVED OURSELVES, BUT WERE TOO DAMNED LAZY TO TRY VERY HARD… We might well add this: AND TOO DAMN CHEAP.”Give Peas A Chance…0 -
Problem solved: disposable bamboo paper straws, $3.29 for 24. Reusable when possible is best of course, but at least these are not going to add more plastic to our oceans.Meltdown99 said:
Yes they are renewable ... I just do not see hospitals, nursing homes/senior homes, people who work with the disabled or even restaurants switching over to re-usable straws just because of risk of improper sterilization happening...I do find it humorous that many of these politicians who want straws banned, seem to never mention all the other unnecessary plastic that could easily be banned ... like bottled water/pop...hmmm...could it be these politicians are bought off by the water/plastic industry...the straw industry needs better lobbyist...the poor old straw, probably never saw this ill conceived attack coming...time to hire lobbyist, donate a few buck to the right politicians and plastic straws live on in infamy...happily ever after.brianlux said:
If we take the negative approach by using the phrase it "banning" people are going to get turned off. I'd rather take the positive approach and encourage people. Sure, bamboo is more expensive but they are reusable. In the long run, that means less expensive. It's also useful to consider that creating a healthier environment is going to cost in the short run, save (in more ways than one!) in the long run.Meltdown99 said:Banning straws is another ill conceived plan ... a quick google search revealed 6 bamboo straws $9.50, now that was a quick search...but hospitals, nursing/seniors home, disabled people needs the of use of straws...and these places need the use of re-usable straws...once again for the masses it comes down to cost effectiveness...
Kurt Vonnegut once said:
“If flying-saucer creatures or angels or whatever were to come here in a hundred years, say, and find us gone like the dinosaurs, what might be a good message for humanity to leave for them, maybe carved in great big letters on a Grand Canyon wall? “Here is this old poop’s suggestion: WE PROBABLY COULD HAVE SAVED OURSELVES, BUT WERE TOO DAMNED LAZY TO TRY VERY HARD… We might well add this: AND TOO DAMN CHEAP.”
When it comes to environment, there is always a reasonable solution. Always. We just need to look for them and want them. They are there.
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How is 3.29 reasonable for 24 straws when you are dealing with thousands of patients. Ontario hospital budgets are at their limits. Straws are not a priority...brianlux said:
Problem solved: disposable bamboo paper straws, $3.29 for 24. Reusable when possible is best of course, but at least these are not going to add more plastic to our oceans.Meltdown99 said:
Yes they are renewable ... I just do not see hospitals, nursing homes/senior homes, people who work with the disabled or even restaurants switching over to re-usable straws just because of risk of improper sterilization happening...I do find it humorous that many of these politicians who want straws banned, seem to never mention all the other unnecessary plastic that could easily be banned ... like bottled water/pop...hmmm...could it be these politicians are bought off by the water/plastic industry...the straw industry needs better lobbyist...the poor old straw, probably never saw this ill conceived attack coming...time to hire lobbyist, donate a few buck to the right politicians and plastic straws live on in infamy...happily ever after.brianlux said:
If we take the negative approach by using the phrase it "banning" people are going to get turned off. I'd rather take the positive approach and encourage people. Sure, bamboo is more expensive but they are reusable. In the long run, that means less expensive. It's also useful to consider that creating a healthier environment is going to cost in the short run, save (in more ways than one!) in the long run.Meltdown99 said:Banning straws is another ill conceived plan ... a quick google search revealed 6 bamboo straws $9.50, now that was a quick search...but hospitals, nursing/seniors home, disabled people needs the of use of straws...and these places need the use of re-usable straws...once again for the masses it comes down to cost effectiveness...
Kurt Vonnegut once said:
“If flying-saucer creatures or angels or whatever were to come here in a hundred years, say, and find us gone like the dinosaurs, what might be a good message for humanity to leave for them, maybe carved in great big letters on a Grand Canyon wall? “Here is this old poop’s suggestion: WE PROBABLY COULD HAVE SAVED OURSELVES, BUT WERE TOO DAMNED LAZY TO TRY VERY HARD… We might well add this: AND TOO DAMN CHEAP.”
When it comes to environment, there is always a reasonable solution. Always. We just need to look for them and want them. They are there.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
That's retail for customers like you and me. If the hospitals said, "Look, we're gonna start ordering these by the thousands. Make us a deal." If the product is in demand, the price would drop, right? Of course.Meltdown99 said:
How is 3.29 reasonable for 24 straws when you are dealing with thousands of patients. Ontario hospital budgets are at their limits. Straws are not a priority...brianlux said:
Problem solved: disposable bamboo paper straws, $3.29 for 24. Reusable when possible is best of course, but at least these are not going to add more plastic to our oceans.Meltdown99 said:
Yes they are renewable ... I just do not see hospitals, nursing homes/senior homes, people who work with the disabled or even restaurants switching over to re-usable straws just because of risk of improper sterilization happening...I do find it humorous that many of these politicians who want straws banned, seem to never mention all the other unnecessary plastic that could easily be banned ... like bottled water/pop...hmmm...could it be these politicians are bought off by the water/plastic industry...the straw industry needs better lobbyist...the poor old straw, probably never saw this ill conceived attack coming...time to hire lobbyist, donate a few buck to the right politicians and plastic straws live on in infamy...happily ever after.brianlux said:
If we take the negative approach by using the phrase it "banning" people are going to get turned off. I'd rather take the positive approach and encourage people. Sure, bamboo is more expensive but they are reusable. In the long run, that means less expensive. It's also useful to consider that creating a healthier environment is going to cost in the short run, save (in more ways than one!) in the long run.Meltdown99 said:Banning straws is another ill conceived plan ... a quick google search revealed 6 bamboo straws $9.50, now that was a quick search...but hospitals, nursing/seniors home, disabled people needs the of use of straws...and these places need the use of re-usable straws...once again for the masses it comes down to cost effectiveness...
Kurt Vonnegut once said:
“If flying-saucer creatures or angels or whatever were to come here in a hundred years, say, and find us gone like the dinosaurs, what might be a good message for humanity to leave for them, maybe carved in great big letters on a Grand Canyon wall? “Here is this old poop’s suggestion: WE PROBABLY COULD HAVE SAVED OURSELVES, BUT WERE TOO DAMNED LAZY TO TRY VERY HARD… We might well add this: AND TOO DAMN CHEAP.”
When it comes to environment, there is always a reasonable solution. Always. We just need to look for them and want them. They are there.
OK, so lets stop here a minute and let me ask you a question. Are we just doing this as a practice in debate or is this about making the world a better place? Because, look, with all due respect man, I'm not really interested in a debate here. I'm interested in getting the plastic out of the ocean, slowing climate change, reducing pollution, slowing human caused species loss. If none of this is of interest to you fine, let me know, I'll butt out of this discussion. If these things do interest you, then please come up with some viable solutions with me instead of just shooting down every suggestion I make. OK? Thanks.
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Knock yourself out it you think it'll make a difference ...
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OK, so you just want to deride my comments or argue. Fine. It looks like we are done here. I am. Adios.Meltdown99 said:Knock yourself out it you think it'll make a difference ...
I imagine hospitals/restaurants/seniors homes will never switch due to the risk of improper sterilization...
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Hospitals far over use straws. The default is to give every patient drinks in plastic cups with lids and straws even when there is no medical need for it. Its just habit, and can and should be shaken up. Same with nursing homes.Meltdown99 said:Banning straws is another ill conceived plan ... a quick google search revealed 6 bamboo straws $9.50, now that was a quick search...but hospitals, nursing/seniors home, disabled people needs the of use of straws...and these places need the use of re-usable straws...once again for the masses it comes down to cost effectiveness...
For those who really do need to use straws, if for some reason they needed to be plastic and disposable then that could be accommodated. Almost every “ban” has exceptions where need is proven. The key is not to automatically insist that nothing changes just because that’s the easy route.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
I don't know about hospitals in BC but here in Ontario hospital staff are too busy to worry about who gets a drink with a plastic straw or not, same with senior/nursing homes...not to mention many hospitals have out sourced their food services...oftenreading said:
Hospitals far over use straws. The default is to give every patient drinks in plastic cups with lids and straws even when there is no medical need for it. Its just habit, and can and should be shaken up. Same with nursing homes.Meltdown99 said:Banning straws is another ill conceived plan ... a quick google search revealed 6 bamboo straws $9.50, now that was a quick search...but hospitals, nursing/seniors home, disabled people needs the of use of straws...and these places need the use of re-usable straws...once again for the masses it comes down to cost effectiveness...
For those who really do need to use straws, if for some reason they needed to be plastic and disposable then that could be accommodated. Almost every “ban” has exceptions where need is proven. The key is not to automatically insist that nothing changes just because that’s the easy route.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
Who's arguing ... the earth is overpopulated with mostly poor people. Poor people will always choose the cheaper option. Can you fix those problems? Because unless those problems are solved, the earth is doomed.brianlux said:
OK, so you just want to deride my comments or argue. Fine. It looks like we are done here. I am. Adios.Meltdown99 said:Knock yourself out it you think it'll make a difference ...
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Like the new thread title. And the bamboo straws. Going to order some of those.0
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OK, so you say we're doomed. Fine.Meltdown99 said:
Who's arguing ... the earth is overpopulated with mostly poor people. Poor people will always choose the cheaper option. Can you fix those problems? Because unless those problems are solved, the earth is doomed.brianlux said:
OK, so you just want to deride my comments or argue. Fine. It looks like we are done here. I am. Adios.Meltdown99 said:Knock yourself out it you think it'll make a difference ...
I imagine hospitals/restaurants/seniors homes will never switch due to the risk of improper sterilization...
Look, I think this thread is worth saving not because I made it but because the Earth which feeds and sustains us deserves it.
No, of course I cannot fix the problems that are harming the planet. No ONE person can do that. Saying we're doomed will not make it better either. Anyone here can insist on being negative and pessimistic, that's their right. But that is not the intent of this thread. Maybe doomsdayers could create a "The World is Doomed" thread for those with that view who don't want to talk about solutions on this one.
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Nice! Kudos, OSG!OffSheGoes35 said:Like the new thread title. And the bamboo straws. Going to order some of those.
My step daughter is going to give me some this weekend. I'm so stoked to see a young person such as herself get involved. I love that kind of positive action.
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