America's Gun Violence
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the Republicans offer their thoughts and prayers.0
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PJ_Soul said:Gern Blansten said:my2hands said:Oh look, another American active shooter
https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/04/us/who-is-nasim-aghdam-youtube-shooter/index.html
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pjhawks said:the Republicans offer their thoughts and prayers.
Aww... that's so thoughtful!
Think how awesome it would be if the thoughts were formulated with more than half a brain and the prayers were actually received by something! Then... we'd really be rocking it."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
Thirty Bills Unpaid said:pjhawks said:the Republicans offer their thoughts and prayers.
Aww... that's so thoughtful!
Think how awesome it would be if the thoughts were formulated with more than half a brain and the prayers were actually received by something! Then... we'd really be rocking it.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
tbergs said:mace1229 said:tbergs said:tempo_n_groove said:dudeman said:Has anyone on here ever argued that negligence by parents that results in a kid getting their hands on a gun not be met with prosecution?
I haven't seen that. Those parents, or parent if single, should absolutely face charges.
I agree with that you never see charges brought forth on this if it does happen.The past decade has seen legal measures to prevent gun negligence systematically dismantled. The 2005 Protection of Legal Commerce in Arms Act statutorily inoculated gun manufacturers and dealers from most claims of negligence in gun deaths. This is even more dangerous than it may first sound. Many people unfamiliar with guns assume that they are designed with simple safeguards against unintentional shootings, but this is not always the case. Glock handguns, for example, have no external safety: If a round is chambered and the trigger is squeezed, the gun fires. As Aaron Walsh, a criminal defense attorney in Augusta, Georgia, put it, “With any other product in the world there would be no Glock company because they would be sued out of existence. You don’t have a safety? That can’t be right.”
https://newrepublic.com/article/121632/why-are-states-so-reluctant-prosecute-gun-negligence-crimeYet some of these cases are appalling. A man in Washington practiced drawing a loaded handgun and unintentionally shot and killed his girlfriend’s daughter. A man in Florida twirled a handgun on his finger and killed a pregnant woman. A man in New Mexico handed a loaded rifle to his six-year-old daughter, who unintentionally shot her sister in the neck. None of these gun owners was prosecuted. The district attorney in the New Mexico case told the Farmington Times, “The father did not follow basic and universally accepted firearm safety rules” but “the problem is that the standard for criminal negligence is higher.”
But you mentioned something else that I never understood. You said gun manufactures don't have to worry about it.
But why should they? They don't do anything wrong. If someone misuses their product and willingly or not kills someone, why should they be responsible?
Do we ever hold car manufactures responsible for accidents (beyond a defect in the car) or Jack Daniels for every DUI, or JA Henckels when someone gets stabbed? Why would guns be the one exception where the manufacturer is responsible for what someone does with their product, when they themselves have broken no laws? Its not like they are illegally making these guns are illegally adding banned features or something.
I know in California for every new gun you buy you have to purchase a new gun lock. Doesn't matter if you own 100 locks already, you need to buy a new one with every new gun, and CA is one of the few states who do have strict laws about storing guns, you can and will be criminally charged when kids get to them. Many states are not as strict. I think those are fair laws for gun owners.0 -
RiotZact said:brianlux said:I was so heartened to see a photo of someone very close to me in one of Saturday's marches carrying a sign that said "Books not guns" (a rather private person or I would post the photo). Kids reading more books are going to be less apt to go shoot someone. More books for kids!
but none of us shot anyone.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
can we designate Montana as a sort of Israel for the gun nuts? problem solved. vaggar99 for world president!0
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PJPOWER said:benjs said:PJPOWER said:tbergs said:Can't wait to here how this latest attack could've been averted if YouTube HQ had armed security. That and the fact that this was a handgun will most definitely have people dismissing the problem with semi auto rifles and for any change besides more good guys with guns.
All kidding aside, I believe pjsoul mentioned that this incident was somewhat of an anomaly in many ways and probably would not benefit any argument that tries to draw major conclusions from it. Anomalies are hard to avoid whatever measures are taken.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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benjs said:PJPOWER said:benjs said:PJPOWER said:tbergs said:Can't wait to here how this latest attack could've been averted if YouTube HQ had armed security. That and the fact that this was a handgun will most definitely have people dismissing the problem with semi auto rifles and for any change besides more good guys with guns.
All kidding aside, I believe pjsoul mentioned that this incident was somewhat of an anomaly in many ways and probably would not benefit any argument that tries to draw major conclusions from it. Anomalies are hard to avoid whatever measures are taken.
That would be drawing major conclusions, so no we should not.
I don’t know how more elementary to spell this out for you, you obviously are just trying to demonize and stir shit up.Post edited by PJPOWER on0 -
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PJPOWER said:benjs said:PJPOWER said:benjs said:PJPOWER said:tbergs said:Can't wait to here how this latest attack could've been averted if YouTube HQ had armed security. That and the fact that this was a handgun will most definitely have people dismissing the problem with semi auto rifles and for any change besides more good guys with guns.
All kidding aside, I believe pjsoul mentioned that this incident was somewhat of an anomaly in many ways and probably would not benefit any argument that tries to draw major conclusions from it. Anomalies are hard to avoid whatever measures are taken.
That would be drawing major conclusions, so no we should not.
I don’t know how more elementary to spell this out for you, you obviously are just trying to demonize and stir shit up.
the fact that she is a woman makes zero difference as to the need to investigate the cause of this, as an individual event and a national crisis.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
So I saw this "meme" posted yesterday on one of my friend's instagram page in response to the Youtube shooting:
My response to this is:
"When your immediate reaction is to point out what "team" the shooter was on and you still refuse to admit we have a problem."
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HesCalledDyer said:So I saw this "meme" posted yesterday on one of my friend's instagram page in response to the Youtube shooting:
My response to this is:
"When your immediate reaction is to point out what "team" the shooter was on and you still refuse to admit we have a problem."Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:HesCalledDyer said:So I saw this "meme" posted yesterday on one of my friend's instagram page in response to the Youtube shooting:
My response to this is:
"When your immediate reaction is to point out what "team" the shooter was on and you still refuse to admit we have a problem."
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Still dont know why being vegan matters and why it's been mentioned a million times0
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my2hands said:Still dont know why being vegan matters and why it's been mentioned a million times
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
lots of vegans hate humans. just like the rest of us. LOLHugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0
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my2hands said:Still dont know why being vegan matters and why it's been mentioned a million times
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HesCalledDyer said:my2hands said:Still dont know why being vegan matters and why it's been mentioned a million times
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0
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