America's Gun Violence

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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,131
    unsung said:
    Go research the non-aggression principle. 

    I don't know that I can honestly debate someone that actually believes that is a bad thing.
    Because your version is not pure, it apparently comes with conditions. And your conditions to boot.
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  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,500
    unsung said:
    "A law abiding gun owner, until he wasn't".

    I can't begin to guess how many times I have heard that on this forum.
    I wonder why?
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  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,500
    unsung said:
    The Juggler said:
    unsung said:
    I gotta say answering the same thing over and over gets old.

    I am for the non aggression principle.

    Do no harm but to prevent harm.

    You don't need a law for that, you just need a little respect for others.

    Tell that to the entire world's population....from the beginning of time till now.
    Yep, the greatest atrocities have been committed by governments on their own disarmed populations.
    I wonder why?
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    edited March 2018
    Says the guy clouding his brain.
  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,500
    You didn't answer.
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Aw, he deleted his post.

    What question? Why govt kills their unarmed citizens?
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    unsung said:
    Aw, he deleted his post.

    What question? Why govt kills their unarmed citizens?
    Don't use the bs Nazi argument.  
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Asks me to answer....

    Tells me how to answer....

    The derp is high.
  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    unsung said:
    Asks me to answer....

    Tells me how to answer....

    The derp is high.
    Love the constitution

    Hate the constitution.

    Free speech deny free speech

    derp is high
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,131
    Smellyman said:
    unsung said:
    Asks me to answer....

    Tells me how to answer....

    The derp is high.
    Love the constitution

    Hate the constitution.

    Free speech deny free speech

    derp is high
    Hilary is the cause. And reason. For everything bad, evil, misguided.
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  • brianlux
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    I was so heartened to see a photo of someone very close to me in one of Saturday's marches carrying a sign that said "Books not guns" (a rather private person or I would post the photo).  Kids reading more books are going to be less apt to go shoot someone.  More books for kids!
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  • RiotZact
    RiotZact Posts: 6,298
    brianlux said:
    I was so heartened to see a photo of someone very close to me in one of Saturday's marches carrying a sign that said "Books not guns" (a rather private person or I would post the photo).  Kids reading more books are going to be less apt to go shoot someone.  More books for kids!
    The kids at the school I’m student teaching at are OBSESSED with guns. They point their fingers at each other and “shoot” all the time, even though it’s strictly against the rules. They draw them on their papers when they are supposed to be working on stuff. It’s crazy. These are six year olds. Some of them even know the names and models of different guns. 
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    RiotZact said:
    brianlux said:
    I was so heartened to see a photo of someone very close to me in one of Saturday's marches carrying a sign that said "Books not guns" (a rather private person or I would post the photo).  Kids reading more books are going to be less apt to go shoot someone.  More books for kids!
    The kids at the school I’m student teaching at are OBSESSED with guns. They point their fingers at each other and “shoot” all the time, even though it’s strictly against the rules. They draw them on their papers when they are supposed to be working on stuff. It’s crazy. These are six year olds. Some of them even know the names and models of different guns. 
    Could have learned that from any number of video games.
  • mrussel1
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    And before that,  war movies
  • RiotZact
    RiotZact Posts: 6,298
    PJPOWER said:
    RiotZact said:
    brianlux said:
    I was so heartened to see a photo of someone very close to me in one of Saturday's marches carrying a sign that said "Books not guns" (a rather private person or I would post the photo).  Kids reading more books are going to be less apt to go shoot someone.  More books for kids!
    The kids at the school I’m student teaching at are OBSESSED with guns. They point their fingers at each other and “shoot” all the time, even though it’s strictly against the rules. They draw them on their papers when they are supposed to be working on stuff. It’s crazy. These are six year olds. Some of them even know the names and models of different guns. 
    Could have learned that from any number of video games.
    Never heard a single one of those kids talk about video games. Been with them for over a month now. It’s an inner city school in western PA, many of the kids I am thinking of are transplants from Philly, like literally Philly said we don’t have enough public housing for these families, send them to Johnstown. Weird that they would be affording video game consoles and such, and on top of that not mentioning them at all, just the guns that are in them. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,131
    Maybe he watched too many movies? Or played violent video games all day? Or maybe he was just another “responsible” gun owner?

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  • mace1229
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    RiotZact said:
    PJPOWER said:
    RiotZact said:
    brianlux said:
    I was so heartened to see a photo of someone very close to me in one of Saturday's marches carrying a sign that said "Books not guns" (a rather private person or I would post the photo).  Kids reading more books are going to be less apt to go shoot someone.  More books for kids!
    The kids at the school I’m student teaching at are OBSESSED with guns. They point their fingers at each other and “shoot” all the time, even though it’s strictly against the rules. They draw them on their papers when they are supposed to be working on stuff. It’s crazy. These are six year olds. Some of them even know the names and models of different guns. 
    Could have learned that from any number of video games.
    Never heard a single one of those kids talk about video games. Been with them for over a month now. It’s an inner city school in western PA, many of the kids I am thinking of are transplants from Philly, like literally Philly said we don’t have enough public housing for these families, send them to Johnstown. Weird that they would be affording video game consoles and such, and on top of that not mentioning them at all, just the guns that are in them. 
    Not weird at all, as in not unusual. 
    I worked in an inner city school in south-central LA, probably one of if not the poorest districts in the country. Almost everyone (98%) qualifies for free lunch.
    almost every kid had a smart phone better than mine and the newest video games.
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,502
    edited March 2018
    mace1229 said:
    RiotZact said:
    PJPOWER said:
    RiotZact said:
    brianlux said:
    I was so heartened to see a photo of someone very close to me in one of Saturday's marches carrying a sign that said "Books not guns" (a rather private person or I would post the photo).  Kids reading more books are going to be less apt to go shoot someone.  More books for kids!
    The kids at the school I’m student teaching at are OBSESSED with guns. They point their fingers at each other and “shoot” all the time, even though it’s strictly against the rules. They draw them on their papers when they are supposed to be working on stuff. It’s crazy. These are six year olds. Some of them even know the names and models of different guns. 
    Could have learned that from any number of video games.
    Never heard a single one of those kids talk about video games. Been with them for over a month now. It’s an inner city school in western PA, many of the kids I am thinking of are transplants from Philly, like literally Philly said we don’t have enough public housing for these families, send them to Johnstown. Weird that they would be affording video game consoles and such, and on top of that not mentioning them at all, just the guns that are in them. 
    Not weird at all, as in not unusual. 
    I worked in an inner city school in south-central LA, probably one of if not the poorest districts in the country. Almost everyone (98%) qualifies for free lunch.
    almost every kid had a smart phone better than mine and the newest video games.
    6 year olds had smart phones? I don't doubt some probably have access to video games, but I also don't think that is where it is all being learned. My kids (5 and 9) don't have access to video games and we don't watch TV, besides the few cartoons and nature specials through streaming, but they draw pictures and play guns because it is all over our culture and they have been exposed to it by other kids. I continually talk with them about guns and how while they can be used for hunting, they are dangerous and not something to pretend play or point at others. Part of me thinks there is some inherent draw for boys no matter what you do. Fucking violence and destruction is sewn in our genes.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • mace1229
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    edited March 2018
    My example was high school. My point was that because it is a poor district in public housing doesn’t mean they don’t have violent video games. It seems to have been suggested they wouldn’t based on social economic status. My experience is that money plays little role in access to that stuff. 
    I agree with it being “sewn” into our genes too. My 3-yea-old thinks everything is a sword. Banana is a sword, a feather he found at the Park was a sword.
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,193
    RiotZact said:
    PJPOWER said:
    RiotZact said:
    brianlux said:
    I was so heartened to see a photo of someone very close to me in one of Saturday's marches carrying a sign that said "Books not guns" (a rather private person or I would post the photo).  Kids reading more books are going to be less apt to go shoot someone.  More books for kids!
    The kids at the school I’m student teaching at are OBSESSED with guns. They point their fingers at each other and “shoot” all the time, even though it’s strictly against the rules. They draw them on their papers when they are supposed to be working on stuff. It’s crazy. These are six year olds. Some of them even know the names and models of different guns. 
    Could have learned that from any number of video games.
    Never heard a single one of those kids talk about video games. Been with them for over a month now. It’s an inner city school in western PA, many of the kids I am thinking of are transplants from Philly, like literally Philly said we don’t have enough public housing for these families, send them to Johnstown. Weird that they would be affording video game consoles and such, and on top of that not mentioning them at all, just the guns that are in them. 
    there's free online games everywhere.  I'd say about 85% of my 8th grades know every single weapon from ww1, ww2, the cold war and vietnam because of the call of duty games.  Shit I was teaching about the cold war yesterday and they all yelled out, that's nuke town from call of duty!  it is real!!!
    and now the current trend at least in new jersey is fortnite which has every single modern weapon available at their disposal.  kids know a hell of a lot more than we realize.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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