Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Hugh...

I can't even begin to detail how common the situation is you have illustrated.

Good kids held hostage by poorly behaving ones. I also wish to add that in many cases... no matter what the schools does for these types of kids... the parents think enough isn't being done.

PJ_Soul said:

tbergs said:

PJ_Soul said:

Home schooled kids are usually weird, don't do it, lol. No matter what you try to do to counteract it, that they are separated that much from their peers and not sharing so many experiences daily with them can't be good for them socially. Not to mention the complete lack of variety in their education that home schooling necessitates. (obviously do what you think is best... I'm just saying that I think home schooling pretty much sucks for the kids generally... However, there some obvious exceptions to every rule).

Because a child who spends an extended amount of time around kids in a public school aren't weird, deviant and more socially adept? Again, it all comes down to how the parents conduct the homeschool experience. There are numerous activities and groups for homeschool parents. I would argue that they generally have more positive social interactions because they don't have to vie for the attention of their teacher along with 25 other kids and be subjected to the distractions, bullying and influence of the kids who create a difficult learning environment.

Besides families that do it for strictly religious reasons, which I think is limiting the scope of the education, a homeschool child isn't confined to the systematic approach of the public school system. I do agree that private schools are a great option if you can afford it because they usually approach education as it relates to the whole child and incorporate movement into the day beyond just recess.

There are a lot of positive benefits to homeschooling that seem to get overlooked while the stigmas and biases become the standard label for no reason. Unless you have some other research or source that indicates this trend of weird kids being homeschooled it would seem appropriate to stop spreading that inaccurate opinion.

https://www.nheri.org/research-facts-on-homeschooling/

http://www.businessinsider.com/structured-homeschool-canada-2011-9

http://www.businessinsider.com/why-kids-should-get-homeschooled-2016-8

Nope, I'm obviously not saying people who aren't home schooled can't be weird, lol. I think you knew that, right?

Just an opinion man. I don't think homeschooling is a good choice for kids for the reasons I already said, and yes, I know how it works. And home schooling for religious reasons is even worse as far as this hard core atheist is concerned, lol. But I'm not stopping parents from doing it anyway, so my opinion is pretty irrelevant. I would think your comment would be reasonable if I had posted some incorrect facts, which I didn't, but I don't think it's reasonable at all for you to suggest I "stop spreading (my) inaccurate opinion." It's my opinion, so it is 100% accurate, and I formed my opinion based on plenty of information and my own observations. There is nothing inaccurate about that. You simply don't agree with me.

josevolution said:

unsung said:

Degeneratefk said:

What is the difference between protecting children and "protecting children?" Does the emphasis change?

There are real solutions, and then there are marches where kids are used as pawns and signs are displayed to have a "safe space".

Are you marching this Saturday on behalf of kids that just wanna go to school to learn and not be worried about getting shot down ...

tempo_n_groove said:

Why hasn't anyone been reporting on this?
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/20/us/great-mills-high-school-shooting/index.html

I'm sure I know why.  No good buzz words like AR-15 or assault rifle are in this.

It's still gun violence though.  How the 17yo got the gun is a real problem.

PJ_Soul said:

tbergs said:

tbergs said:

PJ_Soul said:

Out of curiosity, I checked on that. No, Adam Lanza didn't attend private school. He attended public school (including Sandy Hook) for years, and then a public Intermediate school, and then home schooling, which seems to be when he got really weird. Doesn't say much for home schooling! Although in all fairness to his mother, perhaps she chose to home-school him because he was acting all fucked up, and not the other way around.
(I do admit that I think home schooling is fucking weird unless absolutely necessary)

Why do you think home schooling is weird? I think a lot of the preconceived stigmas of homeschool kids has come from TV, movies or the families that gain notoriety in the media, which in truth aren't homeschooling, just deviant parents, but claim homeschool so they can prevent their kids from drawing attention to human services.

Maybe you missed this yesterday, but I see you called it weird again @PJ_Soul.

I did miss it, and yes I called it weird again, lol. I think I answered your question in my reply to Dankind.

mace1229 said:

PJ_Soul said:

tbergs said:

tbergs said:

PJ_Soul said:

Out of curiosity, I checked on that. No, Adam Lanza didn't attend private school. He attended public school (including Sandy Hook) for years, and then a public Intermediate school, and then home schooling, which seems to be when he got really weird. Doesn't say much for home schooling! Although in all fairness to his mother, perhaps she chose to home-school him because he was acting all fucked up, and not the other way around.
(I do admit that I think home schooling is fucking weird unless absolutely necessary)

Why do you think home schooling is weird? I think a lot of the preconceived stigmas of homeschool kids has come from TV, movies or the families that gain notoriety in the media, which in truth aren't homeschooling, just deviant parents, but claim homeschool so they can prevent their kids from drawing attention to human services.

Maybe you missed this yesterday, but I see you called it weird again @PJ_Soul.

I did miss it, and yes I called it weird again, lol. I think I answered your question in my reply to Dankind.

I'd agree with PJ, home-schooled kids are weird. 
That doesn't mean all are, and every public school kid isn't. But that home-schooled kids are more likely/higher percentage of being weird.
It is probably a combination of the families that are more likely to home-school (A lot of ultra-conservative Christian homes home school, that's why there are so many religious homeschool programs), combined with the lack of peer interaction.
I have a lot of nieces and nephews who are home-schooled. My brother home-schools and my wife's brother and sister both do. Some of them have very normal kids and do a great job exposing them to strong academics and other peers, and some of them do not. It is very clear when interacting with them which ones see the same 4 people every day and which ones are exposed to more interaction.
We used to joke in college and point out who was home-schooled. We were surprisingly accurate because it was pretty easy to determine who was experiencing a school setting like that and interacting with a large group for the first time and who was not.

tbergs said:

tbergs said:

PJ_Soul said:

Out of curiosity, I checked on that. No, Adam Lanza didn't attend private school. He attended public school (including Sandy Hook) for years, and then a public Intermediate school, and then home schooling, which seems to be when he got really weird. Doesn't say much for home schooling! Although in all fairness to his mother, perhaps she chose to home-school him because he was acting all fucked up, and not the other way around.
(I do admit that I think home schooling is fucking weird unless absolutely necessary)

Why do you think home schooling is weird? I think a lot of the preconceived stigmas of homeschool kids has come from TV, movies or the families that gain notoriety in the media, which in truth aren't homeschooling, just deviant parents, but claim homeschool so they can prevent their kids from drawing attention to human services.

Maybe you missed this yesterday, but I see you called it weird again @PJ_Soul.

JimmyV said:

mcgruff10 said:

mace1229 said:

PJ_Soul said:

tbergs said:

tbergs said:

PJ_Soul said:

Out of curiosity, I checked on that. No, Adam Lanza didn't attend private school. He attended public school (including Sandy Hook) for years, and then a public Intermediate school, and then home schooling, which seems to be when he got really weird. Doesn't say much for home schooling! Although in all fairness to his mother, perhaps she chose to home-school him because he was acting all fucked up, and not the other way around.
(I do admit that I think home schooling is fucking weird unless absolutely necessary)

Why do you think home schooling is weird? I think a lot of the preconceived stigmas of homeschool kids has come from TV, movies or the families that gain notoriety in the media, which in truth aren't homeschooling, just deviant parents, but claim homeschool so they can prevent their kids from drawing attention to human services.

Maybe you missed this yesterday, but I see you called it weird again @PJ_Soul.

I did miss it, and yes I called it weird again, lol. I think I answered your question in my reply to Dankind.

I'd agree with PJ, home-schooled kids are weird. 
That doesn't mean all are, and every public school kid isn't. But that home-schooled kids are more likely/higher percentage of being weird.
It is probably a combination of the families that are more likely to home-school (A lot of ultra-conservative Christian homes home school, that's why there are so many religious homeschool programs), combined with the lack of peer interaction.
I have a lot of nieces and nephews who are home-schooled. My brother home-schools and my wife's brother and sister both do. Some of them have very normal kids and do a great job exposing them to strong academics and other peers, and some of them do not. It is very clear when interacting with them which ones see the same 4 people every day and which ones are exposed to more interaction.
We used to joke in college and point out who was home-schooled. We were surprisingly accurate because it was pretty easy to determine who was experiencing a school setting like that and interacting with a large group for the first time and who was not.

Just read this and thought about the conversation about home schooled kids:

Austin bomber Mark Anthony Conditt was part of Christian survivalist group that discussed 'dangerous' chemicals

The Austin bomber was involved in a teenage Christian “survivalist” group that discussed weapons and dangerous chemicals, according to a childhood friend.

Mark Anthony Conditt reportedly took part in a conservative outdoors club called Righteous Invasion of Truth (RIOT), in which home-schooled young people studied the Bible and were taught gun skills.

Police in Texas are hunting for clues about what drove the 23-year-old to embark on a bombing spree which killed two people and terrorised the state capital for weeks.

"He and and his family are as normal as I’ve seen anybody," Jeff Reeb, a neighbour of the Conditt family in Pflugerville for approximately 17 years, told The Independent.

Another neighbour, Lee Roca, said he was shocked when he saw Conditt identified as the bombing suspect on the news. Mr Roca said he recognised Conditt from karaoke nights at a local bar called Red Rooster, and he may well have shaken his hand.

Officers found a 25-minute mobile phone recording that they said amounted to a “confession” after Conditt blew himself up as authorities closed in on him on Wednesday.

Wow.

"Mark Anthony Conditt reportedly took part in a conservative outdoors club called Righteous Invasion of Truth (RIOT), in which home-schooled young people studied the Bible and were taught gun skills."

JimmyV said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

JimmyV said:

mcgruff10 said:

mace1229 said:

PJ_Soul said:

tbergs said:

tbergs said:

PJ_Soul said:

Out of curiosity, I checked on that. No, Adam Lanza didn't attend private school. He attended public school (including Sandy Hook) for years, and then a public Intermediate school, and then home schooling, which seems to be when he got really weird. Doesn't say much for home schooling! Although in all fairness to his mother, perhaps she chose to home-school him because he was acting all fucked up, and not the other way around.
(I do admit that I think home schooling is fucking weird unless absolutely necessary)

Why do you think home schooling is weird? I think a lot of the preconceived stigmas of homeschool kids has come from TV, movies or the families that gain notoriety in the media, which in truth aren't homeschooling, just deviant parents, but claim homeschool so they can prevent their kids from drawing attention to human services.

Maybe you missed this yesterday, but I see you called it weird again @PJ_Soul.

I did miss it, and yes I called it weird again, lol. I think I answered your question in my reply to Dankind.

I'd agree with PJ, home-schooled kids are weird. 
That doesn't mean all are, and every public school kid isn't. But that home-schooled kids are more likely/higher percentage of being weird.
It is probably a combination of the families that are more likely to home-school (A lot of ultra-conservative Christian homes home school, that's why there are so many religious homeschool programs), combined with the lack of peer interaction.
I have a lot of nieces and nephews who are home-schooled. My brother home-schools and my wife's brother and sister both do. Some of them have very normal kids and do a great job exposing them to strong academics and other peers, and some of them do not. It is very clear when interacting with them which ones see the same 4 people every day and which ones are exposed to more interaction.
We used to joke in college and point out who was home-schooled. We were surprisingly accurate because it was pretty easy to determine who was experiencing a school setting like that and interacting with a large group for the first time and who was not.

Just read this and thought about the conversation about home schooled kids:

Austin bomber Mark Anthony Conditt was part of Christian survivalist group that discussed 'dangerous' chemicals

The Austin bomber was involved in a teenage Christian “survivalist” group that discussed weapons and dangerous chemicals, according to a childhood friend.

Mark Anthony Conditt reportedly took part in a conservative outdoors club called Righteous Invasion of Truth (RIOT), in which home-schooled young people studied the Bible and were taught gun skills.

Police in Texas are hunting for clues about what drove the 23-year-old to embark on a bombing spree which killed two people and terrorised the state capital for weeks.

"He and and his family are as normal as I’ve seen anybody," Jeff Reeb, a neighbour of the Conditt family in Pflugerville for approximately 17 years, told The Independent.

Another neighbour, Lee Roca, said he was shocked when he saw Conditt identified as the bombing suspect on the news. Mr Roca said he recognised Conditt from karaoke nights at a local bar called Red Rooster, and he may well have shaken his hand.

Officers found a 25-minute mobile phone recording that they said amounted to a “confession” after Conditt blew himself up as authorities closed in on him on Wednesday.

Wow.

"Mark Anthony Conditt reportedly took part in a conservative outdoors club called Righteous Invasion of Truth (RIOT), in which home-schooled young people studied the Bible and were taught gun skills."

There are varying degrees of religious brainwashing. This is the extreme variety.

It's hard to think for yourself when you've been indoctrinated to think a certain way from a time when your brain was under construction.

Agreed. What concerns me more is that studying the bible and learning gun skills are things that go together only if you are preparing for a holy war.