America's Gun Violence

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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    This story clearly illustrates how introducing a gun to your household exponentially increases the chances of someone getting hurt or killed by said gun.

    People- not just kids- are stupid and can be emotional, irrational, and impulsive. When stirred in such ways... stupid people don't do their best thinking and sometimes they make horrific decisions to express their 'momentary' tension. With no gun in the house... the kid could have spazzed out, but done no irreparable harm and had the time to cool down.

    As it stands now, the gun 'bought for protection' has done anything but.
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,419
    Smellyman said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Guns don't  kill people

    The children of gun owners kill each other

    Video console death: US boy, 9, 'kills sister, 13, over controller' 
    "It is also unclear what consequences the nine-year-old will face."

    you've GOT to be kidding me. The 9 year old? Jesus Christ. how about the shitty fucking parent?
    It appears they have a lot of children.

    The children's mother was in another room, feeding other children lunch at the time of the incident.

    Lots of children and accessible guns.  What could go wrong?


    And video games don't  forget the video games 
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,116
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Guns don't  kill people

    The children of gun owners kill each other

    Video console death: US boy, 9, 'kills sister, 13, over controller' 
    "It is also unclear what consequences the nine-year-old will face."

    you've GOT to be kidding me. The 9 year old? Jesus Christ. how about the shitty fucking parent?
    The Parents should be arrested and jailed. This is inexcusable. 

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    edited March 2018
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    the canadian government tried to create a long gun registery. spent millions on it until they eventually abandoned it. it was a clusterfuck, and was highly opposed. now, don't ask me why, cause I don't know. pj soul or oftenreading or thirty bills might. 
    If memory serves, it was highly opposed because it was costing a fortune and nobody really saw any kind of need for it. I mean, we didn't have a crisis situation going on with gun violence, so I think most didn't understand why the government wanted to pour so much time and resources into what most thought of as a non-problem. The registry had absolutely no impact on licensing, which is actually not bad in Canada anyhow... so what? The registry was supposed to get people to register non-licensed weapons? No, because you could only register a weapon if it was licensed, lol. So if the licensing process seemed to work reasonably well, and if you can't register a non-licensed weapon, then wtf is the registry even for, right? At least, that is what the Conservative government liked to say.... But I think their main thing was just to say "SEE?! We're conservatives on our voter's side!" It was totally more about politics than it was about the effectiveness of the registry. ]
    The police and victim advocacy groups still did very strongly support the registry. They felt that it allowed them to assess possible threats, especially for the cops during searches and pull-overs. The did access the registry a LOT when it was active - thousands of times every day ... But gun crimes didn't increase when the registry was scrapped. I guess we'll never know how many crimes it prevented. I think it was more useful during the prosecution phase, as well as just for general safety/piece of mind during searches and stuff, and I think those are valid reasons. If i had to choose, I would have sided with law enforcement and victims, and chosen to keep the registry. For me, gun owners and their desire to fire guns NEVER win over the perceived wants and needs of law enforcement (in terms of safety) and victims. But again, it's not like this was a #1 problem in the country, so I never felt super strongly about it.... let's see how we feel if a real gun problem in Canada grows. How bad does something need to be for people to feel strongly about putting money torwards it?
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,197
    Nah, the easy access and availability of guns isn’t part of the problem. If they had just armed a teacher or three, this wouldn’t happen.

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  • EdsonNascimento
    EdsonNascimento Posts: 5,531
    edited March 2018
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Nah, the easy access and availability of guns isn’t part of the problem. If they had just armed a teacher or three, this wouldn’t happen.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/20/us/great-mills-high-school-shooting/index.html
    Bad example. Shooter stopped by armed security guard.  The 3rd person injured is the original shooter.

    I'm not on that side of this argument, but be prepared for the NRA to go hard on this one (pun fully intended).
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  • RiotZact
    RiotZact Posts: 6,292
    EdsonNascimento said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Nah, the easy access and availability of guns isn’t part of the problem. If they had just armed a teacher or three, this wouldn’t happen.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/20/us/great-mills-high-school-shooting/index.html
    Bad example. Shooter stopped by armed security guard.  The 3rd person injured is the original shooter.

    I'm not on that side of this argument, but be prepared for the NRA to go hard on this one (pun fully intended).
    They’re going to advocate for more armed security guards? I don’t think many people are opposed to that. 
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited March 2018
    EdsonNascimento said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Nah, the easy access and availability of guns isn’t part of the problem. If they had just armed a teacher or three, this wouldn’t happen.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/20/us/great-mills-high-school-shooting/index.html
    Bad example. Shooter stopped by armed security guard.  The 3rd person injured is the original shooter.

    I'm not on that side of this argument, but be prepared for the NRA to go hard on this one (pun fully intended).

    EdsonNascimento said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Nah, the easy access and availability of guns isn’t part of the problem. If they had just armed a teacher or three, this wouldn’t happen.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/20/us/great-mills-high-school-shooting/index.html
    Bad example. Shooter stopped by armed security guard.  The 3rd person injured is the original shooter.

    I'm not on that side of this argument, but be prepared for the NRA to go hard on this one (pun fully intended).
    I think it is a great example of how an armed individual in the school (not at the police station miles away) can change the momentum of events like this.  The school was prepared (ran drills, etc) and had a plan for quick response.  Props to them for taking steps now to save lives instead of sitting on their hands waiting for a bill to pass to “fix everything”.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    PJPOWER said:
    EdsonNascimento said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Nah, the easy access and availability of guns isn’t part of the problem. If they had just armed a teacher or three, this wouldn’t happen.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/20/us/great-mills-high-school-shooting/index.html
    Bad example. Shooter stopped by armed security guard.  The 3rd person injured is the original shooter.

    I'm not on that side of this argument, but be prepared for the NRA to go hard on this one (pun fully intended).

    EdsonNascimento said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Nah, the easy access and availability of guns isn’t part of the problem. If they had just armed a teacher or three, this wouldn’t happen.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/20/us/great-mills-high-school-shooting/index.html
    Bad example. Shooter stopped by armed security guard.  The 3rd person injured is the original shooter.

    I'm not on that side of this argument, but be prepared for the NRA to go hard on this one (pun fully intended).
    I think it is a great example of how an armed individual in the school (not at the police station miles away) can change the momentum of events like this.  The school was prepared (ran drills, etc) and had a plan for quick response.  Props to them for taking steps now to save lives instead of sitting on their hands waiting for a bill to pass to “fix everything”.
    Armed resource personnel are typically trained members of the local police force.  It is in my sons school.  No one here has argued against that to my knowledge.  Plus this shooter appears to have been anned with a hand gun . Don't try to water down a trained cop into an "individual".
  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    just a couple kiddos this time.  see, things are getting better. a big thank you to the NRA, GOP and of course daddy Trump.  take a victory lap y'all!!!!
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    mrussel1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    EdsonNascimento said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Nah, the easy access and availability of guns isn’t part of the problem. If they had just armed a teacher or three, this wouldn’t happen.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/20/us/great-mills-high-school-shooting/index.html
    Bad example. Shooter stopped by armed security guard.  The 3rd person injured is the original shooter.

    I'm not on that side of this argument, but be prepared for the NRA to go hard on this one (pun fully intended).

    EdsonNascimento said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Nah, the easy access and availability of guns isn’t part of the problem. If they had just armed a teacher or three, this wouldn’t happen.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/20/us/great-mills-high-school-shooting/index.html
    Bad example. Shooter stopped by armed security guard.  The 3rd person injured is the original shooter.

    I'm not on that side of this argument, but be prepared for the NRA to go hard on this one (pun fully intended).
    I think it is a great example of how an armed individual in the school (not at the police station miles away) can change the momentum of events like this.  The school was prepared (ran drills, etc) and had a plan for quick response.  Props to them for taking steps now to save lives instead of sitting on their hands waiting for a bill to pass to “fix everything”.
    Armed resource personnel are typically trained members of the local police force.  It is in my sons school.  No one here has argued against that to my knowledge.  Plus this shooter appears to have been anned with a hand gun . Don't try to water down a trained cop into an "individual".
    So everyone here is supportive of putting armed resource officers (trained cops) in schools?  Great to know, I’m all about that myself.  With such overwhelming bipartisan support, why are there not armed police in every school in the US?  
    I think I have seen a few here against armed resource officers in schools, btw, but I could be wrong.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    PJPOWER said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    EdsonNascimento said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Nah, the easy access and availability of guns isn’t part of the problem. If they had just armed a teacher or three, this wouldn’t happen.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/20/us/great-mills-high-school-shooting/index.html
    Bad example. Shooter stopped by armed security guard.  The 3rd person injured is the original shooter.

    I'm not on that side of this argument, but be prepared for the NRA to go hard on this one (pun fully intended).

    EdsonNascimento said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Nah, the easy access and availability of guns isn’t part of the problem. If they had just armed a teacher or three, this wouldn’t happen.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/20/us/great-mills-high-school-shooting/index.html
    Bad example. Shooter stopped by armed security guard.  The 3rd person injured is the original shooter.

    I'm not on that side of this argument, but be prepared for the NRA to go hard on this one (pun fully intended).
    I think it is a great example of how an armed individual in the school (not at the police station miles away) can change the momentum of events like this.  The school was prepared (ran drills, etc) and had a plan for quick response.  Props to them for taking steps now to save lives instead of sitting on their hands waiting for a bill to pass to “fix everything”.
    Armed resource personnel are typically trained members of the local police force.  It is in my sons school.  No one here has argued against that to my knowledge.  Plus this shooter appears to have been anned with a hand gun . Don't try to water down a trained cop into an "individual".
    So everyone here is supportive of putting armed resource officers (trained cops) in schools?  Great to know, I’m all about that myself.  With such overwhelming bipartisan support, why are there not armed police in every school in the US?  
    I think I have seen a few here against armed resource officers in schools, btw, but I could be wrong.
     Its hard to argue against it so long as there is a 2A. My argument is against assault rifles and arming teachers. 

    Why not in every school? Don't know. Budget? They are in Richmond schools.  There were two in parkland.
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,829
    edited March 2018
    My impression was that most high schools at least will have one or more. Don't know about younger kids, but very common in high school.
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited March 2018
    mace1229 said:
    My impression was that most high schools at least will have one or more. Don't know about younger kids, but very common in high school.
    I think that is probably true in large schools in cities, but not in smaller towns.  I used to go into schools for counseling up to two years ago and there were no armed officers staffed at any of the small schools or elementary schools (although the elementary schools do seem to have better barriers and secured entrances/exits than the high school campuses).  Many of them would have principles or some armed staff, though.  Could very well have been budget issues that determined how the schools handled security.
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  • unsung
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    I guess that good guy theory works.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    unsung said:
    I guess that good guy theory works.
    well no shit, if that good guy is a trained guard in a finite space. oh, wait, except when it doesn't. like at parkland, when that "good guy" was a fucking coward and let 14 teenagers and 3 adults get slaughtered. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    unsung said:
    I guess that good guy theory works.
    What's your argument? Presumably you read the last several posts.  No one has argued against resource officers.  It's wannabe Rambo's who discharge their weapons in classrooms and have no ongoing training that worry rational people.  But feel free to construct sentences that belong on memes. 
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,604
    Yes this is the new norm gun fights at your local schools, so don’t worry you can send your kids to school knowing there’s someone to fight off perpetrators...
    what a disgrace this country has become ...
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    unsung said:
    I guess that good guy theory works.

    You mean to say 'worked this time'.

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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    unsung said:
    I guess that good guy theory works.
    Wait, but these were essentially cops. I thought you were anti-cop? 

    So hard to keep your line of thinking straight. 
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