This thread turned into an annual single bitching thread? Christ
it only turns into that when people are calmly discussing something they find odd and people on the other end make ridiculous assertions that we think the world is coming to an end and we are forced to defend ourselves and tell them that, in fact, our hair is not on fire. it's passive agressive bullshit that builds an argument out of fucking nowhere.
same old shit.
I am sorry if my posts came off as passive-aggressive and/or if I misinterpreted posts and thought people were angrier than they are/were.
"I'm a lucky man, to count on both hands the [shows I've done]. Some folks just have one, others they got none..."
I think the events going on in our country these days make most of us angry. We need a song like this one. I like it.
Part of the challenge for me is they only write or comment about the events in our country if one party is in office. Is this a political rally or comment on society? If societal I'd like a more consistent message as weve had gun violence, wars, corruption...consistently over the last 15 years.
this is pure conjecture: if they feel that any specific issue you mentioned is actually being addressed by the leaders of your country, it's not as frustrating and creatively instigating. when they see those issues being ignored, or reversed, then the frustration builds and it comes out in the songs you hear.
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I think the events going on in our country these days make most of us angry. We need a song like this one. I like it.
Part of the challenge for me is they only write or comment about the events in our country if one party is in office. Is this a political rally or comment on society? If societal I'd like a more consistent message as weve had gun violence, wars, corruption...consistently over the last 15 years.
this is pure conjecture: if they feel that any specific issue you mentioned is actually being addressed by the leaders of your country, it's not as frustrating and creatively instigating. when they see those issues being ignored, or reversed, then the frustration builds and it comes out in the songs you hear.
Also, while they might not have written much that was quite as directly political, Ed was still quite outspoken at shows, right? So, there were still issues that they were passionate about; it's not like they were politically silent until Trump.
"I'm a lucky man, to count on both hands the [shows I've done]. Some folks just have one, others they got none..."
I think the events going on in our country these days make most of us angry. We need a song like this one. I like it.
Part of the challenge for me is they only write or comment about the events in our country if one party is in office. Is this a political rally or comment on society? If societal I'd like a more consistent message as weve had gun violence, wars, corruption...consistently over the last 15 years.
this is pure conjecture: if they feel that any specific issue you mentioned is actually being addressed by the leaders of your country, it's not as frustrating and creatively instigating. when they see those issues being ignored, or reversed, then the frustration builds and it comes out in the songs you hear.
Also, while they might not have written much that was quite as directly political, Ed was still quite outspoken at shows, right? So, there were still issues that they were passionate about; it's not like they were politically silent until Trump.
Their catalog speaks for itself. And I personally don't think their best stuff comes from this motivation. It seems reactionary and petty. This song fits as much with the occupy movement but that was largely ignored. They are entitled to do what they want. Theyve earned that right.
I think the events going on in our country these days make most of us angry. We need a song like this one. I like it.
Part of the challenge for me is they only write or comment about the events in our country if one party is in office. Is this a political rally or comment on society? If societal I'd like a more consistent message as weve had gun violence, wars, corruption...consistently over the last 15 years.
this is pure conjecture: if they feel that any specific issue you mentioned is actually being addressed by the leaders of your country, it's not as frustrating and creatively instigating. when they see those issues being ignored, or reversed, then the frustration builds and it comes out in the songs you hear.
Also, while they might not have written much that was quite as directly political, Ed was still quite outspoken at shows, right? So, there were still issues that they were passionate about; it's not like they were politically silent until Trump.
Their catalog speaks for itself. And I personally don't think their best stuff comes from this motivation. It seems reactionary and petty. This song fits as much with the occupy movement but that was largely ignored. They are entitled to do what they want. Theyve earned that right.
By "this motivation", do you mean political issues in general or getting as specific as CDM does?
"I'm a lucky man, to count on both hands the [shows I've done]. Some folks just have one, others they got none..."
Eddie is rich so he isn’t allowed to sing about other people being rich, mention money or anything like that.
This makes no sense. You aren't allowed to sing about something that you are? That's most songs! Besides, the point here is Eddie may be rich, but is nowhere near as rich as Trump and yet Eddie does a lot more with his money for other people than Trump.
I think people viewing this as Ed protesting or the song being about Trump are limiting not just the bands world view but also Ed’s ability to write songs from the point of view of others.
I have little doubt this song was written about Trump, but the beauty of music is that it can mean something else to you. Maybe just politicians in general (regardless of "side"), or even something more personal - a controlling ex, a parent/teacher/other authority figure. I think the key is that this is definitely a protest/resistance song. What you're protesting/resisting is up to you.
"I'm a lucky man, to count on both hands the [shows I've done]. Some folks just have one, others they got none..."
$40 for the fanclub is nothing. Break it down. $10 bootleg code. $10 vinyl single. ( then add shipping). Tshirt or other gift. $10-15. ( then add shipping.) chance to purchase exclusive Pearl Jam merchandise. Chance for tickets. If you break it all down it's not that much.
I'm going to complain that the bootleg codes expire....boo
They actually don't by the way. I've never used any since they started the bootleg code thing because I always bought the CDs. I stopped by the CD boots a few years ago when I decided I had enough when I realized I still had a lot in the original shrinkwrap. I mean,d o I really need 200 live shows? Yes, I do, but it just takes a long time to listen to them all. Was able to use all codes, about 10 of them. Got some good 2016 boots and several of the vaults (I only had the vinyl for most of the vaults). It seems they only expire if you let your membership expire.
$40 for the fanclub is nothing. Break it down. $10 bootleg code. $10 vinyl single. ( then add shipping). Tshirt or other gift. $10-15. ( then add shipping.) chance to purchase exclusive Pearl Jam merchandise. Chance for tickets. If you break it all down it's not that much.
I'm going to complain that the bootleg codes expire....boo
They actually don't by the way. I've never used any since they started the bootleg code thing because I always bought the CDs. I stopped by the CD boots a few years ago when I decided I had enough when I realized I still had a lot in the original shrinkwrap. I mean,d o I really need 200 live shows? Yes, I do, but it just takes a long time to listen to them all. Was able to use all codes, about 10 of them. Got some good 2016 boots and all of the vaults (I only had the vinyl for most of the vaults). It seems they only expire if you let your membership expire.
when I renew it tells me the bootleg code expires, I renewed in December and I think it said it was good until the end of February. not complaining about that, don't really care. but that's what the email said.
Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall
$40 for the fanclub is nothing. Break it down. $10 bootleg code. $10 vinyl single. ( then add shipping). Tshirt or other gift. $10-15. ( then add shipping.) chance to purchase exclusive Pearl Jam merchandise. Chance for tickets. If you break it all down it's not that much.
I'm going to complain that the bootleg codes expire....boo
They actually don't by the way. I've never used any since they started the bootleg code thing because I always bought the CDs. I stopped by the CD boots a few years ago when I decided I had enough when I realized I still had a lot in the original shrinkwrap. I mean,d o I really need 200 live shows? Yes, I do, but it just takes a long time to listen to them all. Was able to use all codes, about 10 of them. Got some good 2016 boots and all of the vaults (I only had the vinyl for most of the vaults). It seems they only expire if you let your membership expire.
when I renew it tells me the bootleg code expires, I renewed in December and I think it said it was good until the end of February. not complaining about that, don't really care. but that's what the email said.
Ha, maybe I just got lucky. But just about a month ago I used every bootleg code I had every been issued. I tend to not read emails about my membership, so not sure what my said. I got both Wrigley 16, Telluride, Leeds, and vaults 4-7 (and maybe 1 or 2 more I'm forgetting). Just went on a frenzy and did it all back to back one night last month. Been a member before they did this bootleg thing and never once used a code, but they all worked.
I think the events going on in our country these days make most of us angry. We need a song like this one. I like it.
Part of the challenge for me is they only write or comment about the events in our country if one party is in office. Is this a political rally or comment on society? If societal I'd like a more consistent message as weve had gun violence, wars, corruption...consistently over the last 15 years.
While there's little doubt that they write songs in response to their political leanings, I don't agree they "only write or comment about the events in our country if one party is in office." Just a quick glance at the catalog, here's some politically related songs: While Clinton was president: WMA, Glorified G, Grievance, Do the Evolution
While Obama was president: Mind Your Manners, Infallible
$40 for the fanclub is nothing. Break it down. $10 bootleg code. $10 vinyl single. ( then add shipping). Tshirt or other gift. $10-15. ( then add shipping.) chance to purchase exclusive Pearl Jam merchandise. Chance for tickets. If you break it all down it's not that much.
I'm going to complain that the bootleg codes expire....boo
They actually don't by the way. I've never used any since they started the bootleg code thing because I always bought the CDs. I stopped by the CD boots a few years ago when I decided I had enough when I realized I still had a lot in the original shrinkwrap. I mean,d o I really need 200 live shows? Yes, I do, but it just takes a long time to listen to them all. Was able to use all codes, about 10 of them. Got some good 2016 boots and all of the vaults (I only had the vinyl for most of the vaults). It seems they only expire if you let your membership expire.
when I renew it tells me the bootleg code expires, I renewed in December and I think it said it was good until the end of February. not complaining about that, don't really care. but that's what the email said.
The analog item code expires each year. The bootleg codes are good until you use them. I get confused by this all the time.
"I'm a lucky man, to count on both hands the [shows I've done]. Some folks just have one, others they got none..."
So I was really really hoping I would be wrong and the song would be kick ass live...just listened to it and man am I bummed. I just can't get into this one.
$40 for the fanclub is nothing. Break it down. $10 bootleg code. $10 vinyl single. ( then add shipping). Tshirt or other gift. $10-15. ( then add shipping.) chance to purchase exclusive Pearl Jam merchandise. Chance for tickets. If you break it all down it's not that much.
I'm going to complain that the bootleg codes expire....boo
They actually don't by the way. I've never used any since they started the bootleg code thing because I always bought the CDs. I stopped by the CD boots a few years ago when I decided I had enough when I realized I still had a lot in the original shrinkwrap. I mean,d o I really need 200 live shows? Yes, I do, but it just takes a long time to listen to them all. Was able to use all codes, about 10 of them. Got some good 2016 boots and all of the vaults (I only had the vinyl for most of the vaults). It seems they only expire if you let your membership expire.
when I renew it tells me the bootleg code expires, I renewed in December and I think it said it was good until the end of February. not complaining about that, don't really care. but that's what the email said.
The analog item code expires each year. The bootleg codes are good until you use them. I get confused by this all the time.
ah, I see.
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So I was really really hoping I would be wrong and the song would be kick ass live...just listened to it and man am I bummed. I just can't get into this one.
It isn't bout being just Rich, plenty of solid rich people who give and realize they can impact the planet in a positive way. Its about being Rich and not paying contractors, Saying deport everyone yet you hire illegals to run your resort, mastering bankruptcy laws, getting dirty loans from Deutsche Bank/Russian Oligarchs, privatizing education to profit on it, polluting, using your $$ to scare people into doing what you want because you can fight and they cant, Killing big game animals and holding up an elephant tale as if you accomplished something by killing a fenced in animal, Grabbing women because of entitlement....
There are Rich people who don't feel like they are the victims
I mean how fucked up in the head can you be if you are worth billions and you think society is giving you the shaft
It isn't bout being just Rich, plenty of solid rich people who give and realize they can impact the planet in a positive way. Its about being Rich and not paying contractors, Saying deport everyone yet you hire illegals to run your resort, mastering bankruptcy laws, getting dirty loans from Deutsche Bank/Russian Oligarchs, privatizing education to profit on it, polluting, using your $$ to scare people into doing what you want because you can fight and they cant, Killing big game animals and holding up an elephant tale as if you accomplished something by killing a fenced in animal, Grabbing women because of entitlement....
There are Rich people who don't feel like they are the victims
I mean how fucked up in the head can you be if you are worth billions and you think society is giving you the shaft
$40 for the fanclub is nothing. Break it down. $10 bootleg code. $10 vinyl single. ( then add shipping). Tshirt or other gift. $10-15. ( then add shipping.) chance to purchase exclusive Pearl Jam merchandise. Chance for tickets. If you break it all down it's not that much.
I'm going to complain that the bootleg codes expire....boo
They actually don't by the way. I've never used any since they started the bootleg code thing because I always bought the CDs. I stopped by the CD boots a few years ago when I decided I had enough when I realized I still had a lot in the original shrinkwrap. I mean,d o I really need 200 live shows? Yes, I do, but it just takes a long time to listen to them all. Was able to use all codes, about 10 of them. Got some good 2016 boots and several of the vaults (I only had the vinyl for most of the vaults). It seems they only expire if you let your membership expire.
You have two years before the membership download code for the boots expires, and omg, You are the first person yo acknowledges having enough boots
... I am not in the business of being liked anymore ...
$40 for the fanclub is nothing. Break it down. $10 bootleg code. $10 vinyl single. ( then add shipping). Tshirt or other gift. $10-15. ( then add shipping.) chance to purchase exclusive Pearl Jam merchandise. Chance for tickets. If you break it all down it's not that much.
I'm going to complain that the bootleg codes expire....boo
They actually don't by the way. I've never used any since they started the bootleg code thing because I always bought the CDs. I stopped by the CD boots a few years ago when I decided I had enough when I realized I still had a lot in the original shrinkwrap. I mean,d o I really need 200 live shows? Yes, I do, but it just takes a long time to listen to them all. Was able to use all codes, about 10 of them. Got some good 2016 boots and several of the vaults (I only had the vinyl for most of the vaults). It seems they only expire if you let your membership expire.
You have two years before the membership download code for the boots expires, and omg, You are the first person yo acknowledges having enough boots
I got so much anxiety over what boot to pick, that I instead let the codes lapse...
find the logic in that..
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
$40 for the fanclub is nothing. Break it down. $10 bootleg code. $10 vinyl single. ( then add shipping). Tshirt or other gift. $10-15. ( then add shipping.) chance to purchase exclusive Pearl Jam merchandise. Chance for tickets. If you break it all down it's not that much.
I'm going to complain that the bootleg codes expire....boo
They actually don't by the way. I've never used any since they started the bootleg code thing because I always bought the CDs. I stopped by the CD boots a few years ago when I decided I had enough when I realized I still had a lot in the original shrinkwrap. I mean,d o I really need 200 live shows? Yes, I do, but it just takes a long time to listen to them all. Was able to use all codes, about 10 of them. Got some good 2016 boots and several of the vaults (I only had the vinyl for most of the vaults). It seems they only expire if you let your membership expire.
You have two years before the membership download code for the boots expires, and omg, You are the first person yo acknowledges having enough boots
Totally off topic but it does seem a rubbish rule when you have essentially paid for it. It does seem that members getting value for money out of the subscription fee is low priority for 10c.
$40 for the fanclub is nothing. Break it down. $10 bootleg code. $10 vinyl single. ( then add shipping). Tshirt or other gift. $10-15. ( then add shipping.) chance to purchase exclusive Pearl Jam merchandise. Chance for tickets. If you break it all down it's not that much.
I'm going to complain that the bootleg codes expire....boo
They actually don't by the way. I've never used any since they started the bootleg code thing because I always bought the CDs. I stopped by the CD boots a few years ago when I decided I had enough when I realized I still had a lot in the original shrinkwrap. I mean,d o I really need 200 live shows? Yes, I do, but it just takes a long time to listen to them all. Was able to use all codes, about 10 of them. Got some good 2016 boots and several of the vaults (I only had the vinyl for most of the vaults). It seems they only expire if you let your membership expire.
You have two years before the membership download code for the boots expires, and omg, You are the first person yo acknowledges having enough boots
Totally off topic but it does seem a rubbish rule when you have essentially paid for it. It does seem that members getting value for money out of the subscription fee is low priority for 10c.
$40 for the fanclub is nothing. Break it down. $10 bootleg code. $10 vinyl single. ( then add shipping). Tshirt or other gift. $10-15. ( then add shipping.) chance to purchase exclusive Pearl Jam merchandise. Chance for tickets. If you break it all down it's not that much.
I'm going to complain that the bootleg codes expire....boo
They actually don't by the way. I've never used any since they started the bootleg code thing because I always bought the CDs. I stopped by the CD boots a few years ago when I decided I had enough when I realized I still had a lot in the original shrinkwrap. I mean,d o I really need 200 live shows? Yes, I do, but it just takes a long time to listen to them all. Was able to use all codes, about 10 of them. Got some good 2016 boots and several of the vaults (I only had the vinyl for most of the vaults). It seems they only expire if you let your membership expire.
You have two years before the membership download code for the boots expires, and omg, You are the first person yo acknowledges having enough boots
Totally off topic but it does seem a rubbish rule when you have essentially paid for it. It does seem that members getting value for money out of the subscription fee is low priority for 10c.
two years is more than enough time to pick a digital boot, don't you think?
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I had friends who stopped being pearl jam fans when "Who You Are" was released.
Ha, yeah, well, there's no accounting for taste obviously. But still.... objectively, what they're doing now isn't on the same level as what they were doing in the 90s or early 2000s. I mean, come on.
Late 90s, no. I agree there.
But I like Lightning Bolt better than Backspacer, Avocado and Riot Act.
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I am sorry if my posts came off as passive-aggressive and/or if I misinterpreted posts and thought people were angrier than they are/were.
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"He made the deal with the devil, we get to play with him.
He goes to hell, of course. We're going to heaven."
This makes no sense. You aren't allowed to sing about something that you are? That's most songs! Besides, the point here is Eddie may be rich, but is nowhere near as rich as Trump and yet Eddie does a lot more with his money for other people than Trump.
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"He made the deal with the devil, we get to play with him.
He goes to hell, of course. We're going to heaven."
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You Are Daddy's...
Bestest Good Friend
Wait, that's weird? Um...OK. I'll show myself out.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
I've never used any since they started the bootleg code thing because I always bought the CDs. I stopped by the CD boots a few years ago when I decided I had enough when I realized I still had a lot in the original shrinkwrap. I mean,d o I really need 200 live shows? Yes, I do, but it just takes a long time to listen to them all.
Was able to use all codes, about 10 of them. Got some good 2016 boots and several of the vaults (I only had the vinyl for most of the vaults).
It seems they only expire if you let your membership expire.
Just a quick glance at the catalog, here's some politically related songs:
While Clinton was president: WMA, Glorified G, Grievance, Do the Evolution
While Obama was president: Mind Your Manners, Infallible
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"He made the deal with the devil, we get to play with him.
He goes to hell, of course. We're going to heaven."
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"He made the deal with the devil, we get to play with him.
He goes to hell, of course. We're going to heaven."
Its about being Rich and not paying contractors, Saying deport everyone yet you hire illegals to run your resort, mastering bankruptcy laws, getting dirty loans from Deutsche Bank/Russian Oligarchs, privatizing education to profit on it, polluting, using your $$ to scare people into doing what you want because you can fight and they cant, Killing big game animals and holding up an elephant tale as if you accomplished something by killing a fenced in animal, Grabbing women because of entitlement....
There are Rich people who don't feel like they are the victims
I mean how fucked up in the head can you be if you are worth billions and you think society is giving you the shaft
Right. Eddie's version of rich and Trump's version of rich and his administration's version of rich are completely unrelated IMO.
find the logic in that..
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"He made the deal with the devil, we get to play with him.
He goes to hell, of course. We're going to heaven."
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