CAN'T DENY ME!!!

PJ_Soul said:

I'm not quite sure what is supposed to be getting denied.

PJ_Soul said:

These lyrics aren't very good. I like the part about the little bullshit whore, and the sinful ignorance, and the roots taking hold (unfortunately)... but I dunno.... overall, these are kind of meh lyrics. Plus, I'm not quite sure what is supposed to be getting denied. Does he mean that Trump can't deny what's being said about him? Or is Trump supposed to be denying him/us/whoever of something? If so, what? Just basic common sense, or...?

HughFreakingDillon said:

JimmyV said:

Anybody know what the b-side is going to be?

No?

Then maybe we should pump the brakes on the disappointment and the claims that we missed out on a benefit.

no, but you have to admit, they've never given us an annual single that was the first single off the next album. that's not exclusive to club members anymore. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

Vedd Hedd said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Vedd Hedd said:

Let's relax for a moment.   We pay 40 bucks a year.  For a music band's fan club.  This is not a Country Club Membership.  This isn't season tickets to a sporting event.  It's literally 40 bucks a year.   Its the right to purchase tickets ahead of the crowd, a record, and a special gift.  I mean, Pearl Jam isn't going to go into the studio to record stuff exclusively for 10c fans every year.  Sometimes, its a cool bootleg.  Sometimes, its a cover song.  Sometimes, its some ranting and raving, etc. This time, its the first single off the new album, on record, along with an unnamed b-side.  

We just got news that not only did they drop a song unexpectedly, they also have a forthcoming album, and are starting their tour tonight. This also likely means that more shows will be on the way (Late this year, early next year) in support of the album. 

I get it, some people like the song, some don't.  It's totally ok to not like it, or whatever.  But the amount of whining is getting out of control.  

It's not like 10C members are the only ones that get to hear the 10C songs.   Lost Dogs was a release of a bunch of songs, some of which were previously 10C only.  Besides that...they are REALLY painfully easy to find on the internet. 

I think we can all make comments without being told to relax. I am quite relaxed. I just find some of this bands/management's practices, when it comes to their fan club, a little puzzling. I mean, it says right in the ten club member bio thing that the single is exclusive to fan club members. 

is it a massive deal? no. but all these little deals keep adding up. 

Maybe the term "lets stop for a second" would have been better than relax.  

whichever term/phrase you wish to use, my response would be the same. do some people get all worked up about these things? yes. but, by and large, most of us don't, we are merely confused by them. it seems that they have been minimizing the benefits of being in the club, and it all started shortly after they doubled the price of membership. 

Vedd Hedd said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Vedd Hedd said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Vedd Hedd said:

Let's relax for a moment.   We pay 40 bucks a year.  For a music band's fan club.  This is not a Country Club Membership.  This isn't season tickets to a sporting event.  It's literally 40 bucks a year.   Its the right to purchase tickets ahead of the crowd, a record, and a special gift.  I mean, Pearl Jam isn't going to go into the studio to record stuff exclusively for 10c fans every year.  Sometimes, its a cool bootleg.  Sometimes, its a cover song.  Sometimes, its some ranting and raving, etc. This time, its the first single off the new album, on record, along with an unnamed b-side.  

We just got news that not only did they drop a song unexpectedly, they also have a forthcoming album, and are starting their tour tonight. This also likely means that more shows will be on the way (Late this year, early next year) in support of the album. 

I get it, some people like the song, some don't.  It's totally ok to not like it, or whatever.  But the amount of whining is getting out of control.  

It's not like 10C members are the only ones that get to hear the 10C songs.   Lost Dogs was a release of a bunch of songs, some of which were previously 10C only.  Besides that...they are REALLY painfully easy to find on the internet. 

I think we can all make comments without being told to relax. I am quite relaxed. I just find some of this bands/management's practices, when it comes to their fan club, a little puzzling. I mean, it says right in the ten club member bio thing that the single is exclusive to fan club members. 

is it a massive deal? no. but all these little deals keep adding up. 

Maybe the term "lets stop for a second" would have been better than relax.  

whichever term/phrase you wish to use, my response would be the same. do some people get all worked up about these things? yes. but, by and large, most of us don't, we are merely confused by them. it seems that they have been minimizing the benefits of being in the club, and it all started shortly after they doubled the price of membership. 

Then my message isn't for you. It's for those getting worked up. 

The 40 bucks, imo, is for the right to get tickets first. I get a record and t-shirt too? Thats gravy.

If they gave me a colored vinyl with Jeremy and Even Flow right now, I could not care less. I still get the rights to purchase tickets first, and a tshirt. And usually some other stuff. Like members only exclusive items. Oh and the deep mag.

I'm not seeing benefits being eroded.

Vedd Hedd said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Vedd Hedd said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Vedd Hedd said:

Let's relax for a moment.   We pay 40 bucks a year.  For a music band's fan club.  This is not a Country Club Membership.  This isn't season tickets to a sporting event.  It's literally 40 bucks a year.   Its the right to purchase tickets ahead of the crowd, a record, and a special gift.  I mean, Pearl Jam isn't going to go into the studio to record stuff exclusively for 10c fans every year.  Sometimes, its a cool bootleg.  Sometimes, its a cover song.  Sometimes, its some ranting and raving, etc. This time, its the first single off the new album, on record, along with an unnamed b-side.  

We just got news that not only did they drop a song unexpectedly, they also have a forthcoming album, and are starting their tour tonight. This also likely means that more shows will be on the way (Late this year, early next year) in support of the album. 

I get it, some people like the song, some don't.  It's totally ok to not like it, or whatever.  But the amount of whining is getting out of control.  

It's not like 10C members are the only ones that get to hear the 10C songs.   Lost Dogs was a release of a bunch of songs, some of which were previously 10C only.  Besides that...they are REALLY painfully easy to find on the internet. 

I think we can all make comments without being told to relax. I am quite relaxed. I just find some of this bands/management's practices, when it comes to their fan club, a little puzzling. I mean, it says right in the ten club member bio thing that the single is exclusive to fan club members. 

is it a massive deal? no. but all these little deals keep adding up. 

Maybe the term "lets stop for a second" would have been better than relax.  

whichever term/phrase you wish to use, my response would be the same. do some people get all worked up about these things? yes. but, by and large, most of us don't, we are merely confused by them. it seems that they have been minimizing the benefits of being in the club, and it all started shortly after they doubled the price of membership. 

Then my message isn't for you. It's for those getting worked up. 

The 40 bucks, imo, is for the right to get tickets first. I get a record and t-shirt too? Thats gravy.

If they gave me a colored vinyl with Jeremy and Even Flow right now, I could not care less. I still get the rights to purchase tickets first, and a tshirt. And usually some other stuff. Like members only exclusive items. Oh and the deep mag.

I'm not seeing benefits being eroded.

PJ_Soul said:

Vedd Hedd said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Vedd Hedd said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Vedd Hedd said:

Let's relax for a moment.   We pay 40 bucks a year.  For a music band's fan club.  This is not a Country Club Membership.  This isn't season tickets to a sporting event.  It's literally 40 bucks a year.   Its the right to purchase tickets ahead of the crowd, a record, and a special gift.  I mean, Pearl Jam isn't going to go into the studio to record stuff exclusively for 10c fans every year.  Sometimes, its a cool bootleg.  Sometimes, its a cover song.  Sometimes, its some ranting and raving, etc. This time, its the first single off the new album, on record, along with an unnamed b-side.  

We just got news that not only did they drop a song unexpectedly, they also have a forthcoming album, and are starting their tour tonight. This also likely means that more shows will be on the way (Late this year, early next year) in support of the album. 

I get it, some people like the song, some don't.  It's totally ok to not like it, or whatever.  But the amount of whining is getting out of control.  

It's not like 10C members are the only ones that get to hear the 10C songs.   Lost Dogs was a release of a bunch of songs, some of which were previously 10C only.  Besides that...they are REALLY painfully easy to find on the internet. 

I think we can all make comments without being told to relax. I am quite relaxed. I just find some of this bands/management's practices, when it comes to their fan club, a little puzzling. I mean, it says right in the ten club member bio thing that the single is exclusive to fan club members. 

is it a massive deal? no. but all these little deals keep adding up. 

Maybe the term "lets stop for a second" would have been better than relax.  

whichever term/phrase you wish to use, my response would be the same. do some people get all worked up about these things? yes. but, by and large, most of us don't, we are merely confused by them. it seems that they have been minimizing the benefits of being in the club, and it all started shortly after they doubled the price of membership. 

Then my message isn't for you. It's for those getting worked up. 

The 40 bucks, imo, is for the right to get tickets first. I get a record and t-shirt too? Thats gravy.

If they gave me a colored vinyl with Jeremy and Even Flow right now, I could not care less. I still get the rights to purchase tickets first, and a tshirt. And usually some other stuff. Like members only exclusive items. Oh and the deep mag.

I'm not seeing benefits being eroded.

It may feel like gravy to you, but it's still something that is promised by 10C as part of the payment. (FTR, I'm not getting worked up - I cancelled my analog membership 2 years ago so have no horse in this race ). I do think the benefits are being somewhat eroded by making the annual single a non-exclusive release that can be bought for $0.99 on iTunes; from an objective point of view, I don't think that can be denied, technically. That you think the analog membership is still a good deal without that promise of an exclusive annual single included in the membership fee (or without it being provided within the membership year at all) is really neither here nor there.

MP59559 said:

fall by the wayside said:

MP59559 said:

fall by the wayside said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

fall by the wayside said:

What an incredibly lazy way to fulfill paid member benefits that had been neglected. “Here’s a shit quality, 160 kbps mp3 of a song the whole world will have access to in full quality in 3 days. We’ve fulfilled our 2017 member obligation.” LOL

we still get it on vinyl, and a b-side, presumably. it is odd, though, for digital members, to pay that much for a song that is supposed to be exclusive to the club and can buy it on itunes for a buck. 

That’s just it man. There are a lot of us that are digital members. I can listen to it at 2x the quality today on Spotify. We basically didn’t get that 2017 benefit (a single exclusive to 10c members.)

I get what you're saying, but it seems like a petty thing to be upset about. The bigger benefit to my membership is that I was able to secure tickets to the Fenway shows with zero stress of dealing with an online sale. That alone is worth my $20 (and another $20 to get the t-shirt, as I'm analog). The singles are fun to get, but I tend to listen to them once or twice and shelf them.

That’s fantastic that you’re OK with it. Doesn’t mean everyone feels the same way. It’s not a huge deal, and yes, tickets are the only reason I’m a member. But I don’t think it’s out of line to point out that this is still a benefit we pay for, and that it has always been an exclusive song for us. I'm guessing when they decided to kill two birds with one stone they were counting on a lot of members to brush it off like you did.

I "brush it off" because I consider it a tiny benefit compared to the other benefits of being in the 10c. As noted, the song is available for purchase for $1. Should we demand $1 be refunded to our credit cards for this year?

Vedd Hedd said:

Right, but at this point, we are basically talking about 1 99 cent song. The b-side will be "exclusive" ....whatever exclusive means in the internet age anyway.

Like i said before,  none of the 10c songs are actually exclusive.  The very fact we get a digital download at all is gravy. We used to just get the vinyls, and people complained that they had no way to listen to it.