America's Gun Violence
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The point is... before we go down a worm hole... is you're equating a ferarm with a fucking seatbelt... and that's ridiculous0
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I'm speaking in general, not directly to yourgambs said:
I am not clinging to guns, I have a .22 for small game and varmint control and I borrow a shotgun when I want to take a deer.my2hands said:39 years... all the people I know... all the different experiences... all the different situations...
And I don't know anyody personaly that was safer or would have been safer because they had a gun to protect themselves... zero instances... none... zip... zero... and I don't live in the boonies
But I do know people that were safer, some lives actually saved, due to fire extinguishers, seat belts, and using a coat to stay warm
Keep clinging to those guns... just make sure you shoot the boogey man, and not a family member
I don't carry a pistol or anything like that.
Even if I did cling to my guns, that wouldn't make your exaggerated hyperbole any more true.
America has a John Wayne complex, fantasizing about the good guy reacting and taking out the bad guy in a hail of bullets... and now that has bled into people thinking we should just arm anybody... because if you're willing to arm an elementary school teacher, who WONT you arm?0 -
I’m not equating them, but was only making the point that there is a difference between “fearful” and “prepared”. In fact, one of the main points of discussion in my CCW class was to not carry out of fear, but out of preparedness.my2hands said:The point is... before we go down a worm hole... is you're equating a ferarm with a fucking seatbelt... and that's ridiculousPost edited by PJPOWER on0 -
I have three kids in school and this is exactly my fear. Not intentionally, but accidentally. My children will be home schooled if there are weapons in the classroom routinely, and carried by someone other than law enforcement .rgambs said:
So are you more scared that they will be shot by a teacher than a student or someone off the street?HughFreakingDillon said:
no it isn't. I can't seriously fathom being for arming teachers even if I lived there. I have family in Texas and Wisconsin that have kids in elementary and middle and high school. it scares the fuck out of me that this may happen to one of them at some point. and I can't imagine any of my relatives are pro-arming teachers either.rgambs said:
Easy to say when you don't have kids going to school in America.HughFreakingDillon said:
NEVER as dumb as making teachers pack heat.rgambs said:
This sounds like head in the sand talk to me.my2hands said:Let me say this clearly...
Arming teachers is literally the dumbest idea ive heard in my 39 years on this planet... I'm shocked at how many Americans think it's a good idea, or even debatable... it's lunacy!!!
It's ok, there are George Zimmermans out there teaching, it's only a matter of time. Blood won't be on my hands
If I had a kid and his school allowed armed teachers, I would pull my kid out so fast their head would spin. I question any parent that wouldn't do the same
Guns suck, nothing positive comes from them. Nothing.
The guns are out there, hundreds of millions of them. They are walking into schools and concerts and nightclubs and malls and they are murdering people in scores. At what point does being the only person without a gun become the dumbest thing you've ever heard.
I don't think the solution to guns is more guns, it's working to get guns out of the wrong hands and working to get guns into the right hands.
Leaving kids with closet doors as their only protection sounds pretty fucking dumb to me.
As an aside, my son's hs has two cops in school full time. I'm fine with that.0 -
And if you think America isnt clinging to it's guns, then I don't know what to tell you0
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They shot the bear, duh.my2hands said:And how did they save their life with a gun?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Didn't a teacher just crack off rounds in a classroom and the school went into lockdown the other day?
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Didn't a teacher just crack off rounds in a classroom and the school went into lockdown the other day?
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Not true.rgambs said:
That bears out true statistically across a societal level, but again, saying it doesn't make you "safer in any way" is hyperbole that's just exaggeration.my2hands said:
Fire extinguishers put out fires... seatbelts stop me from flying out the window... coats keep me warm... spare tires work better then flat ones...PJPOWER said:
I never understood this anyway. Do you have fire extinguishers because you are scared of a fire? Do you wear seatbelts because you are scared of a wreck? Do you bring a coat with you on a cool day because you are scared of freezing? Do you have a spare tire because you are “scared” of getting a flat? Do people have first aid kits because they are scared of getting a cut?rgambs said:
You don't have to be scared to be dead.my2hands said:
Made it 39 years without owning a gun, no problem at all... and I will NEVER own a gun personally... because i'm not scared... I'll be totally fine being the only American without a gun, don't need itrgambs said:
This sounds like head in the sand talk to me.my2hands said:Let me say this clearly...
Arming teachers is literally the dumbest idea ive heard in my 39 years on this planet... I'm shocked at how many Americans think it's a good idea, or even debatable... it's lunacy!!!
It's ok, there are George Zimmermans out there teaching, it's only a matter of time. Blood won't be on my hands
If I had a kid and his school allowed armed teachers, I would pull my kid out so fast their head would spin. I question any parent that wouldn't do the same
Guns suck, nothing positive comes from them. Nothing.
The guns are out there, hundreds of millions of them. They are walking into schools and concerts and nightclubs and malls and they are murdering people in scores. At what point does being the only person without a gun become the dumbest thing you've ever heard.
I don't think the solution to guns is more guns, it's working to get guns out of the wrong hands and working to get guns into the right hands.
Leaving kids with closet doors as their only protection sounds pretty fucking dumb to me.
The love of my life carries a gun for work, and I fear for her safety every day.
Never liked guns, never will... they are only made to destroy... not impressed with gun owners that thinks it's awesome either... had a younger dipshit cousin bragging about buying an AR-15 at Christmas 2 years ago... he's never been hunting... lives in a suburban neighborhood...can bsrely keep a job... nice kid, but he has no fucking clue... and he's bragging about owning an assault rifle... good job America, bravo
Pathetic times in the USA
It is pathetic, that's for sure.
No, you do those things to prepare for if you are ever in a situation where you may need them...because negative situations do exist. Some take that to the extreme (aka “preppers”), but who am I to call someone crazy for preparing for the worst. “Prepare for the worst, hope for the best”
On another note, I do take bear spray on hiking trips because I am terrified of bears, lol
But having a gun does not make me safer...actually, it does quite the opposite according to widely accepted and available statistics
I work in a city labeled as "Murdertown USA" so i'm well aware of the risks in modern america, and im also aware that having a gun does not make me safer in any way
The statistics clearly demonstrate that the moment a gun is introduced to a household... the likelihood of someone in that household getting hurt or killed by gunfire increases exponentially.
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That's just a straight up ass kicking....enough Benjs....mercybenjs said:october22 said:josevolution said:
So can you answer why these massacres don’t happen in other countries heck even our northern neighbors don’t have to deal with these kinds of issues, so tell us why only in this so called most advanced nation in the world these occurred ..october22 said:
Because it broadens the scope of this recent conversation from rifles to almost all guns. It also affirms pro-second amendment advocates' fears that a rifle ban is really the left's sneaky way of coming after all guns eventually (same with mag capacity). That's often why any talk of a ban on any weapon never gets anywhere.HughFreakingDillon said:
how is it more radical?october22 said:
I am not in favor of arming teachers, so I'm with you there.mrussel1 said:
The strawman is that "liberals" have an issue with police (aka people with real professional training) having weapons and an increased presence. I can speak for myself only, but it seems to be in line with most, that I have an issue with semi automatic weapons in the hands of John Q. Public and arming teachers in a classroom.
Are you in favor of removing or restricting the public's access to all semi-automatic weapons? I only ask because that's a more radical view than we've been discussing so it's important to make the distinction.
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I can't answer your question because it makes no goddamn sense.
You might find the above link handy. Admittedly, it's a few years old, but it may clear up some of your ignorance. Be sure to note where our cute neighbors from the north rank on issues that "only" happen in the US. Check out Europe while you're at it. How's that gun control working out? Dive a little deeper into US state-by-state, or county-by-county gun deaths. How's that gun control working out?
We absolutely have a problem with gun violence in the US, but we're certainly not alone. If you would take a moment to do your own research rather than parrot liars and social manipulators like Obama, Vox, CNN or wherever else you get your "information", you'll soon find that you're on the factually incorrect side of the argument.
That said, this will be my last post in this thread. I realize I'm dealing with the same type of ignorance here that I run into in real life. After 340 pages in a thread about gun violence, some of you who'd like to infringe upon the rights of others don't even know what the fuck a semi-automatic firearm even is!
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First - I don't have to know what a semi-automatic firearm is. It is a subset of a category I find abhorrent - items whose primary purpose are to kill. I reserve my right to this opinion, and back it up with facts I question and still find meaningful once validated. Debate my premise, debate my facts' accuracy, or debate my conclusions stemming from the combination - but don't debate my right to opine.
Next - everyone is a social manipulator. Life is a game of influencing and being influenced - selling and buying - of products, services, and ideas. If you'd like to suggest that "social manipulators" are a uniquely leftist phenomena, this is a non-starter for debate between the left and anyone else. It's also fallacious.
Now onto your facts. I'm only going to show the first 'point' provided by the author, as there's enough disingenuous fact presentation to discredit the rest, since the author does not seem to understand basic logic.
Premise: "The statement made that the rate of mass shootings in the USA is a global anomaly, is false." -> "The rate of mass shootings in the USA is a global anomaly" is false -> "The rate of mass shootings in the USA is not a global anomaly" -> "The rate of mass shootings in the USA is within the realm of global normalcy"
Measure used to prove or disprove: Quantity of Mass Shooting Events per Country
Measures provided to prove or disprove:
First - Percentage (Quantity per Million citizens) of Deaths at Mass Shooting Events per Country - this one is just plain irrelevant, as the statement was not about deaths, it was about mass shooting events.
Next - Percentage (Quantity per Million citizens) of Mass Shooting Events per Country
Difference between relevant measure and measures provided: normalized per population
What it looks like with measures provided: measure is within the realm of global normalcy
What it looks like with the measures requested: the author clearly didn't want that data shown, but I did. So I gathered the populations for those 18 countries in 2015 (the year the data goes until), multiplied the populations by the stated Frequency per Population values provided, to yield the actual Quantity of Mass Shootings by Country over this time span. Below, I've sorted this data in order of highest Quantity of Mass Shootings to lowest. Note the imperfect causal relationship between Quantity of Shootings and Populations (easiest viewed through the Population Rank).
I then put this into Chart form to visually show the correlation is between a Population Size and the Quantity of Shootings, and how America doesn't necessarily fit the mould. The two dotted lines are trendlines, (the orange one includes the USA, and the blue one does not). The R-squared value indicates how closely the trendline fits the data. An R-squared value of +/- .70 is considered a strong correlation. (-1 and +1 are perfect relationships, and 0 is two unrelated pieces of data).
My Conclusions:
First, it is difficult to conclude anything meaningful out of this data set, given the fact that America is over twice the size of any other country listed. That lack of comparable data points is a non-starter to derive anything meaningful, unless you believe that there is proportionality between Quantity of Mass Shootings and Population Sizes.
Speaking to those people who do believe that there is proportionality between Quantity of Mass Shootings and Population Sizes, it is worth noting that whether you include America's data to produce trendlines or not, it is either producing too many Mass Shootings, or way too many Mass Shootings. That 'bump' that pushes or pulls the Quantity of Mass Shootings within a Country away from the trendline, is some sort of external undefined factor within said Country (i.e. civil unrest, Justin Bieber playing in the Country too often, terrorism, Mardi Gras, massive discounts on confetti, etc.)
It is very easy with data to answer a question that seems close enough to what was truly asked, that one could believe that they've seen evidence of an answer, when in fact they've seen no such thing. Since peoples' time have costs associated with them, they are always getting something in return. Unless that 'something' is the love of teaching, that 'something' is usually profit. We all need to work on developing our bullshit alarms, because there is a massive pool of people and organizations who are counting on us not having them, and we are responsible for that belief.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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Ayeup. Just another “responsible” gun owner until they weren’t.my2hands said:Didn't a teacher just crack off rounds in a classroom and the school went into lockdown the other day?
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I’m not equating them, but was only making the point that there is a difference between “fearful” and “prepared”. In fact, one of the main points of discussion in my CCW class was to not carry out of fear, but out of preparedness.my2hands said:The point is... before we go down a worm hole... is you're equating a ferarm with a fucking seatbelt... and that's ridiculous
If one of the main points of discussion in my CCW class was to not carry out of fear
That tells me the majority of people who CCW do it out of fear
What are you preparing for? Good guy stopping a bad guy with a gun is myth, statistically insignificant.
The only thing CCW prepares you for is the increased likelihood you will shoot yourself or a family member.0 -
Yeah but that's because the statistics don'tThirty Bills Unpaid said:
Not true.rgambs said:
That bears out true statistically across a societal level, but again, saying it doesn't make you "safer in any way" is hyperbole that's just exaggeration.my2hands said:
Fire extinguishers put out fires... seatbelts stop me from flying out the window... coats keep me warm... spare tires work better then flat ones...PJPOWER said:
I never understood this anyway. Do you have fire extinguishers because you are scared of a fire? Do you wear seatbelts because you are scared of a wreck? Do you bring a coat with you on a cool day because you are scared of freezing? Do you have a spare tire because you are “scared” of getting a flat? Do people have first aid kits because they are scared of getting a cut?rgambs said:
You don't have to be scared to be dead.my2hands said:
Made it 39 years without owning a gun, no problem at all... and I will NEVER own a gun personally... because i'm not scared... I'll be totally fine being the only American without a gun, don't need itrgambs said:
This sounds like head in the sand talk to me.my2hands said:Let me say this clearly...
Arming teachers is literally the dumbest idea ive heard in my 39 years on this planet... I'm shocked at how many Americans think it's a good idea, or even debatable... it's lunacy!!!
It's ok, there are George Zimmermans out there teaching, it's only a matter of time. Blood won't be on my hands
If I had a kid and his school allowed armed teachers, I would pull my kid out so fast their head would spin. I question any parent that wouldn't do the same
Guns suck, nothing positive comes from them. Nothing.
The guns are out there, hundreds of millions of them. They are walking into schools and concerts and nightclubs and malls and they are murdering people in scores. At what point does being the only person without a gun become the dumbest thing you've ever heard.
I don't think the solution to guns is more guns, it's working to get guns out of the wrong hands and working to get guns into the right hands.
Leaving kids with closet doors as their only protection sounds pretty fucking dumb to me.
The love of my life carries a gun for work, and I fear for her safety every day.
Never liked guns, never will... they are only made to destroy... not impressed with gun owners that thinks it's awesome either... had a younger dipshit cousin bragging about buying an AR-15 at Christmas 2 years ago... he's never been hunting... lives in a suburban neighborhood...can bsrely keep a job... nice kid, but he has no fucking clue... and he's bragging about owning an assault rifle... good job America, bravo
Pathetic times in the USA
It is pathetic, that's for sure.
No, you do those things to prepare for if you are ever in a situation where you may need them...because negative situations do exist. Some take that to the extreme (aka “preppers”), but who am I to call someone crazy for preparing for the worst. “Prepare for the worst, hope for the best”
On another note, I do take bear spray on hiking trips because I am terrified of bears, lol
But having a gun does not make me safer...actually, it does quite the opposite according to widely accepted and available statistics
I work in a city labeled as "Murdertown USA" so i'm well aware of the risks in modern america, and im also aware that having a gun does not make me safer in any way
The statistics clearly demonstrate that the moment a gun is introduced to a household... the likelihood of someone in that household getting hurt or killed by gunfire increases exponentially.exclude mouth breathing Trump voters.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
The drooling fools supporting Trump likely do make up a significant portion of the gun ownership base and, therefore, your point might have some validity.rgambs said:
Yeah but that's because the statistics don'tThirty Bills Unpaid said:
Not true.rgambs said:
That bears out true statistically across a societal level, but again, saying it doesn't make you "safer in any way" is hyperbole that's just exaggeration.my2hands said:
Fire extinguishers put out fires... seatbelts stop me from flying out the window... coats keep me warm... spare tires work better then flat ones...PJPOWER said:
I never understood this anyway. Do you have fire extinguishers because you are scared of a fire? Do you wear seatbelts because you are scared of a wreck? Do you bring a coat with you on a cool day because you are scared of freezing? Do you have a spare tire because you are “scared” of getting a flat? Do people have first aid kits because they are scared of getting a cut?rgambs said:
You don't have to be scared to be dead.my2hands said:
Made it 39 years without owning a gun, no problem at all... and I will NEVER own a gun personally... because i'm not scared... I'll be totally fine being the only American without a gun, don't need itrgambs said:
This sounds like head in the sand talk to me.my2hands said:Let me say this clearly...
Arming teachers is literally the dumbest idea ive heard in my 39 years on this planet... I'm shocked at how many Americans think it's a good idea, or even debatable... it's lunacy!!!
It's ok, there are George Zimmermans out there teaching, it's only a matter of time. Blood won't be on my hands
If I had a kid and his school allowed armed teachers, I would pull my kid out so fast their head would spin. I question any parent that wouldn't do the same
Guns suck, nothing positive comes from them. Nothing.
The guns are out there, hundreds of millions of them. They are walking into schools and concerts and nightclubs and malls and they are murdering people in scores. At what point does being the only person without a gun become the dumbest thing you've ever heard.
I don't think the solution to guns is more guns, it's working to get guns out of the wrong hands and working to get guns into the right hands.
Leaving kids with closet doors as their only protection sounds pretty fucking dumb to me.
The love of my life carries a gun for work, and I fear for her safety every day.
Never liked guns, never will... they are only made to destroy... not impressed with gun owners that thinks it's awesome either... had a younger dipshit cousin bragging about buying an AR-15 at Christmas 2 years ago... he's never been hunting... lives in a suburban neighborhood...can bsrely keep a job... nice kid, but he has no fucking clue... and he's bragging about owning an assault rifle... good job America, bravo
Pathetic times in the USA
It is pathetic, that's for sure.
No, you do those things to prepare for if you are ever in a situation where you may need them...because negative situations do exist. Some take that to the extreme (aka “preppers”), but who am I to call someone crazy for preparing for the worst. “Prepare for the worst, hope for the best”
On another note, I do take bear spray on hiking trips because I am terrified of bears, lol
But having a gun does not make me safer...actually, it does quite the opposite according to widely accepted and available statistics
I work in a city labeled as "Murdertown USA" so i'm well aware of the risks in modern america, and im also aware that having a gun does not make me safer in any way
The statistics clearly demonstrate that the moment a gun is introduced to a household... the likelihood of someone in that household getting hurt or killed by gunfire increases exponentially.exclude mouth breathing Trump voters.
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Spot on stuff here that I thought was widely available and accepted... sadly I'm wrongCM189191 said:PJPOWER said:
I’m not equating them, but was only making the point that there is a difference between “fearful” and “prepared”. In fact, one of the main points of discussion in my CCW class was to not carry out of fear, but out of preparedness.my2hands said:The point is... before we go down a worm hole... is you're equating a ferarm with a fucking seatbelt... and that's ridiculous
If one of the main points of discussion in my CCW class was to not carry out of fear
That tells me the majority of people who CCW do it out of fear
What are you preparing for? Good guy stopping a bad guy with a gun is myth, statistically insignificant.
The only thing CCW prepares you for is the increased likelihood you will shoot yourself or a family member.
Owning a gun threatens yourself and your loved ones much more than the hypothetical bad guy that most likely will never exist...
Therefore, arming teachers is a REALLY bad idea.
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You must be high if you concede a "might have some validity" to me lolThirty Bills Unpaid said:
The drooling fools supporting Trump likely do make up a significant portion of the gun ownership base and, therefore, your point might have some validity.rgambs said:
Yeah but that's because the statistics don'tThirty Bills Unpaid said:
Not true.rgambs said:
That bears out true statistically across a societal level, but again, saying it doesn't make you "safer in any way" is hyperbole that's just exaggeration.my2hands said:
Fire extinguishers put out fires... seatbelts stop me from flying out the window... coats keep me warm... spare tires work better then flat ones...PJPOWER said:
I never understood this anyway. Do you have fire extinguishers because you are scared of a fire? Do you wear seatbelts because you are scared of a wreck? Do you bring a coat with you on a cool day because you are scared of freezing? Do you have a spare tire because you are “scared” of getting a flat? Do people have first aid kits because they are scared of getting a cut?rgambs said:
You don't have to be scared to be dead.my2hands said:
Made it 39 years without owning a gun, no problem at all... and I will NEVER own a gun personally... because i'm not scared... I'll be totally fine being the only American without a gun, don't need itrgambs said:
This sounds like head in the sand talk to me.my2hands said:Let me say this clearly...
Arming teachers is literally the dumbest idea ive heard in my 39 years on this planet... I'm shocked at how many Americans think it's a good idea, or even debatable... it's lunacy!!!
It's ok, there are George Zimmermans out there teaching, it's only a matter of time. Blood won't be on my hands
If I had a kid and his school allowed armed teachers, I would pull my kid out so fast their head would spin. I question any parent that wouldn't do the same
Guns suck, nothing positive comes from them. Nothing.
The guns are out there, hundreds of millions of them. They are walking into schools and concerts and nightclubs and malls and they are murdering people in scores. At what point does being the only person without a gun become the dumbest thing you've ever heard.
I don't think the solution to guns is more guns, it's working to get guns out of the wrong hands and working to get guns into the right hands.
Leaving kids with closet doors as their only protection sounds pretty fucking dumb to me.
The love of my life carries a gun for work, and I fear for her safety every day.
Never liked guns, never will... they are only made to destroy... not impressed with gun owners that thinks it's awesome either... had a younger dipshit cousin bragging about buying an AR-15 at Christmas 2 years ago... he's never been hunting... lives in a suburban neighborhood...can bsrely keep a job... nice kid, but he has no fucking clue... and he's bragging about owning an assault rifle... good job America, bravo
Pathetic times in the USA
It is pathetic, that's for sure.
No, you do those things to prepare for if you are ever in a situation where you may need them...because negative situations do exist. Some take that to the extreme (aka “preppers”), but who am I to call someone crazy for preparing for the worst. “Prepare for the worst, hope for the best”
On another note, I do take bear spray on hiking trips because I am terrified of bears, lol
But having a gun does not make me safer...actually, it does quite the opposite according to widely accepted and available statistics
I work in a city labeled as "Murdertown USA" so i'm well aware of the risks in modern america, and im also aware that having a gun does not make me safer in any way
The statistics clearly demonstrate that the moment a gun is introduced to a household... the likelihood of someone in that household getting hurt or killed by gunfire increases exponentially.exclude mouth breathing Trump voters.
I kid.
Ultimately, I'd love our country to be largely free of guns, with only highly regulated individuals having guns in a highly regulated system.
We have to work hard to get there.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
No better time to start then the present my friendrgambs said:
You must be high if you concede a "might have some validity" to me lolThirty Bills Unpaid said:
The drooling fools supporting Trump likely do make up a significant portion of the gun ownership base and, therefore, your point might have some validity.rgambs said:
Yeah but that's because the statistics don'tThirty Bills Unpaid said:
Not true.rgambs said:
That bears out true statistically across a societal level, but again, saying it doesn't make you "safer in any way" is hyperbole that's just exaggeration.my2hands said:
Fire extinguishers put out fires... seatbelts stop me from flying out the window... coats keep me warm... spare tires work better then flat ones...PJPOWER said:
I never understood this anyway. Do you have fire extinguishers because you are scared of a fire? Do you wear seatbelts because you are scared of a wreck? Do you bring a coat with you on a cool day because you are scared of freezing? Do you have a spare tire because you are “scared” of getting a flat? Do people have first aid kits because they are scared of getting a cut?rgambs said:
You don't have to be scared to be dead.my2hands said:
Made it 39 years without owning a gun, no problem at all... and I will NEVER own a gun personally... because i'm not scared... I'll be totally fine being the only American without a gun, don't need itrgambs said:
This sounds like head in the sand talk to me.my2hands said:Let me say this clearly...
Arming teachers is literally the dumbest idea ive heard in my 39 years on this planet... I'm shocked at how many Americans think it's a good idea, or even debatable... it's lunacy!!!
It's ok, there are George Zimmermans out there teaching, it's only a matter of time. Blood won't be on my hands
If I had a kid and his school allowed armed teachers, I would pull my kid out so fast their head would spin. I question any parent that wouldn't do the same
Guns suck, nothing positive comes from them. Nothing.
The guns are out there, hundreds of millions of them. They are walking into schools and concerts and nightclubs and malls and they are murdering people in scores. At what point does being the only person without a gun become the dumbest thing you've ever heard.
I don't think the solution to guns is more guns, it's working to get guns out of the wrong hands and working to get guns into the right hands.
Leaving kids with closet doors as their only protection sounds pretty fucking dumb to me.
The love of my life carries a gun for work, and I fear for her safety every day.
Never liked guns, never will... they are only made to destroy... not impressed with gun owners that thinks it's awesome either... had a younger dipshit cousin bragging about buying an AR-15 at Christmas 2 years ago... he's never been hunting... lives in a suburban neighborhood...can bsrely keep a job... nice kid, but he has no fucking clue... and he's bragging about owning an assault rifle... good job America, bravo
Pathetic times in the USA
It is pathetic, that's for sure.
No, you do those things to prepare for if you are ever in a situation where you may need them...because negative situations do exist. Some take that to the extreme (aka “preppers”), but who am I to call someone crazy for preparing for the worst. “Prepare for the worst, hope for the best”
On another note, I do take bear spray on hiking trips because I am terrified of bears, lol
But having a gun does not make me safer...actually, it does quite the opposite according to widely accepted and available statistics
I work in a city labeled as "Murdertown USA" so i'm well aware of the risks in modern america, and im also aware that having a gun does not make me safer in any way
The statistics clearly demonstrate that the moment a gun is introduced to a household... the likelihood of someone in that household getting hurt or killed by gunfire increases exponentially.exclude mouth breathing Trump voters.
I kid.
Ultimately, I'd love our country to be largely free of guns, with only highly regulated individuals having guns in a highly regulated system.
We have to work hard to get there.0 -
I don't have much time or access for activism, for now the best I can do is vote for Democrats and pressure them to act.my2hands said:
No better time to start then the present my friendrgambs said:
You must be high if you concede a "might have some validity" to me lolThirty Bills Unpaid said:
The drooling fools supporting Trump likely do make up a significant portion of the gun ownership base and, therefore, your point might have some validity.rgambs said:
Yeah but that's because the statistics don'tThirty Bills Unpaid said:
Not true.rgambs said:
That bears out true statistically across a societal level, but again, saying it doesn't make you "safer in any way" is hyperbole that's just exaggeration.my2hands said:
Fire extinguishers put out fires... seatbelts stop me from flying out the window... coats keep me warm... spare tires work better then flat ones...PJPOWER said:
I never understood this anyway. Do you have fire extinguishers because you are scared of a fire? Do you wear seatbelts because you are scared of a wreck? Do you bring a coat with you on a cool day because you are scared of freezing? Do you have a spare tire because you are “scared” of getting a flat? Do people have first aid kits because they are scared of getting a cut?rgambs said:
You don't have to be scared to be dead.my2hands said:
Made it 39 years without owning a gun, no problem at all... and I will NEVER own a gun personally... because i'm not scared... I'll be totally fine being the only American without a gun, don't need itrgambs said:
This sounds like head in the sand talk to me.my2hands said:Let me say this clearly...
Arming teachers is literally the dumbest idea ive heard in my 39 years on this planet... I'm shocked at how many Americans think it's a good idea, or even debatable... it's lunacy!!!
It's ok, there are George Zimmermans out there teaching, it's only a matter of time. Blood won't be on my hands
If I had a kid and his school allowed armed teachers, I would pull my kid out so fast their head would spin. I question any parent that wouldn't do the same
Guns suck, nothing positive comes from them. Nothing.
The guns are out there, hundreds of millions of them. They are walking into schools and concerts and nightclubs and malls and they are murdering people in scores. At what point does being the only person without a gun become the dumbest thing you've ever heard.
I don't think the solution to guns is more guns, it's working to get guns out of the wrong hands and working to get guns into the right hands.
Leaving kids with closet doors as their only protection sounds pretty fucking dumb to me.
The love of my life carries a gun for work, and I fear for her safety every day.
Never liked guns, never will... they are only made to destroy... not impressed with gun owners that thinks it's awesome either... had a younger dipshit cousin bragging about buying an AR-15 at Christmas 2 years ago... he's never been hunting... lives in a suburban neighborhood...can bsrely keep a job... nice kid, but he has no fucking clue... and he's bragging about owning an assault rifle... good job America, bravo
Pathetic times in the USA
It is pathetic, that's for sure.
No, you do those things to prepare for if you are ever in a situation where you may need them...because negative situations do exist. Some take that to the extreme (aka “preppers”), but who am I to call someone crazy for preparing for the worst. “Prepare for the worst, hope for the best”
On another note, I do take bear spray on hiking trips because I am terrified of bears, lol
But having a gun does not make me safer...actually, it does quite the opposite according to widely accepted and available statistics
I work in a city labeled as "Murdertown USA" so i'm well aware of the risks in modern america, and im also aware that having a gun does not make me safer in any way
The statistics clearly demonstrate that the moment a gun is introduced to a household... the likelihood of someone in that household getting hurt or killed by gunfire increases exponentially.exclude mouth breathing Trump voters.
I kid.
Ultimately, I'd love our country to be largely free of guns, with only highly regulated individuals having guns in a highly regulated system.
We have to work hard to get there.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
Having a gun does not make you safer. Criminals aren't asking who has guns before shooting people or robbing them. Having a gun during a shooting or a robbery just means you have the opportunity to shoot back. You're still in an unsafe situation. So the argument of "guns make me safe" is silly and all in the gun owners head.will myself to find a home, a home within myself
we will find a way, we will find our place0
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