America's Gun Violence

my2hands said:

PJPOWER said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJPOWER said:

CM189191 said:

PJPOWER said:

“Cruz went in with only 10-round magazines because larger clips would not fit in his duffel bag, Book said”

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article202486304.html

I’m going to refrain from jumping into any “slippery slope” arguments at this time...

what's your point: "thank god he was *only* able to kill 17 people" ??

slippery slope isn't a legitimate argument, it's a logical fallacy
if you're gonna have a serious debate, at least get your terms right

That’s why I said I was NOT going to use the slippery slope fallacy...There have been plenty of those used lately from the pro-gun controllers regarding arming school staff though...but I digress...Thanks for the lesson, though, professor.

Why? Because statistics show that law enforcement officers, who one would think go through pretty rigerous training regarding firearms efficiency still manage to miss their targets more than half the time? Are you proposing teachers have the same level or more training than law enforcement with regards to firearm proficiency?

I would say more.  You would be surprised at how low proficiency standards are for law enforcement in general.  Specialized teams such as SWAT are held to higher standards.  In some places, law enforcement candidates are hard to come by and therefor not all that great...I would not hold them as a pillar of shooting accuracy.
And as CM stated, slippery slopes are argumentative logic fallacies and do not help further debates.  

Did you just say teachers have more firearm related training and are more proficient  then police?

my2hands said:

So glad I don't have kids... people actually think guns in American classrooms is a good idea

Pure insanity

PJPOWER said:

tbergs said:

PJPOWER said:

tbergs said:

PJPOWER said:

“Cruz went in with only 10-round magazines because larger clips would not fit in his duffel bag, Book said”

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article202486304.html

I’m going to refrain from jumping into any “slippery slope” arguments at this time...

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, but this only makes it clearer that limiting the magazine size on these types of semi auto rifles is not going to stop mass killings with them so ban the gun itself or turn it into a 5 round max magazine and accept lots of people will still die. Either way, do something gun rights advocates and/or NRA supporters! 

Ooooor, focus on things that you can do...So let’s just pretend that any bans were 100% impossible (they may be).  What else would you bring to the table?

1. Gun Registry
2. Fund Gun Violence Research
3. Limit magazine capacity and types of ammo
4. Universal Background checks including psych eval upon initial purchase and every 5 years after
5. Raise age of purchase for all firearms to 21 (military and law enforcement exemption)
6. Mandatory 16 hours minimum of firearms proficiency and safety training, which includes presentations on mass shootings with survivors and family interviews, the effects of gun violence and information about seeking help for suicidal ideation as it relates to guns.

Those are a few off the top of my head. I'd really focus on 1, 2 and 6 to start because I don't think those should cause concern among gun advocates. You also won't see much in the lowering of gun violence with those 3. Maybe more murder clearances by police, but the violence won't decrease until the other 3 happen.  Limit mag capacity, maybe, types of ammo-no (this has been sensationalized in my opinion)

Great response.  I have mixed emotions about a registry and it’s purpose (again, trying to avoid slippery slopes).  Fund the hell out of research!  I am definitely for universal background checks.  Not sure about mandatory psych evaluations as I can see potential abuses there.  Places that have imposed the age limits are already facing age discrimination lawsuits.  I could get down with the 16 hours of training, but really do not see the need to sit through interviews.  Honestly, if you have kept up with my posts, I always feel that government intervention should be a last resort and I, personally, feel that other avenues should be sought first (on many issues actually).
What are you referring to regarding murder clearances by police?  
Thanks again for the positive/non-bashing response.

my2hands said:

Let me say this clearly...

Arming teachers is literally the dumbest idea ive heard in my 39 years on this planet... I'm shocked at how many Americans think it's a good idea, or even debatable... it's lunacy!!!

It's ok, there are George Zimmermans out there teaching, it's only a matter of time. Blood won't be on my hands

If I had a kid and his school allowed armed teachers, I would pull my kid out so fast their head would spin. I question any parent that wouldn't do the same

Guns suck, nothing positive comes from them. Nothing. 

PJ_Soul said:

^^ Well I would support them lining classroom closets with something bullet proof. Safe rooms in classrooms? That would be fine in my book. It wouldn't mean placing the children into a police state atmosphere or leave room for horrible gun accidents at schools, which would be inevitable if teachers were armed IMO.