America's Gun Violence

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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,130
    65 shots in 15 seconds and they all missed. And you want teachers carrying in the classroom to shoot back at an armed intruder?

    San Francisco cops fire 65 shots in 15 seconds at murder suspect in dramatic video - Fox News https://apple.news/ANi473uHVQ36h_cY2mzNSOw
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  • tbergs
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    65 shots in 15 seconds and they all missed. And you want teachers carrying in the classroom to shoot back at an armed intruder?

    San Francisco cops fire 65 shots in 15 seconds at murder suspect in dramatic video - Fox News https://apple.news/ANi473uHVQ36h_cY2mzNSOw
    That is beyond fucked up. What a mess. They're lucky none of them accidentally shot each other. Terrible tactics on their part.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    ponytd said:
    The Juggler said:

    "TAKE THE GUNS FIRST...GO THROUGH DUE PROCESS SECOND."

    -Republican President, Donald J. Trump.

    this is basically a step in the GVRO (Gun Violence Restraining Order). I'd never heard of this until last week when I read this article, but as gun owner, I wouldn't mind something like this being enacted federally
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/02/gun-control-republicans-consider-grvo/

    would it solve all problems? No. But we need to take steps to keep guns out of the wrong hands and protect people, especially children. There needs to be a standard national background check that is comprehensive and have it include any private gun sales/gun shows. You want to sell a gun to your neighbor, fine. But you have to go to a licensed FFL dealer to do so and buyer should pay a fee for that test. We also need medical professionals to actually update a registry for people who have been seen or diagnosed with a mental illness. Perhaps even instituting a "no gun" list, like the no fly list. If you've been convicted of assault, especially domestic violence, you can't buy a gun ever or at least for a certain time frame. These are some of my other suggestions:
    Raise the age restriction to purchase all guns and ammo to 21.
    Revolvers, shotguns and non-semi auto rifles/guns are ok to buy for anyone who can pass a background check but ONLY after you pass a basic safety course.
    Any semi-auto handgun you must obtain a license/permit to purchase those weapons with stipulations above.
    Possible ban on AR or AK style or any semi-auto rifle. If not a ban, add an additional license/permit fee for these on top of everything above.
    Ban large capacity magazines and bump stocks. You don't need them.
    Create a standard Concealed Carry curriculum that includes both shooting and written tests for those that wish to get one.(my CC class included both written and shooting test, along with gun safety and laws pertaining to carrying).

    these are just some of my thoughts on the subject. I don't really see any of the above infringing on the 2nd Amendment, but does make it tougher to buy a gun. While I own several semi-auto handguns, I don't really need them. I like them better than my revolvers, and enjoy shooting them more at the range, but I would be willing to pay a fee for a license/permit to have one. AR/AK's are fun to shoot, but do we really need them? I don't see the purpose for them other than they look cool. Agree or disagree. I'm interested to hear your thoughts.

    All great common sense suggestions. 
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,910
    Huh.
    I guess I don't expect Americans to give a fuck about what a Canadian company does in response to America's gun problem, but I think it's interesting that Mountain Equipment Coop (which has 5 million members - kind of like a Costco membership), has announced they will no longer buy any products made by Vista Outdoor products because Vista also makes US guns and ammo. MEC doesn't sell firearms, but they are one of those socially involved companies by reputation, and decided they don't want to support a gun manufacturer in any way... This was, though, a direct response to a petition for them to make the move.
    Obviously gun enthusiasts are against this move... but really, how many people give a shit about gun enthusiasts' opinions on these things? Not me. Even if this is just a symbolic move more than anything else, I'm having trouble with any arguments against it.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/mec-vista-outdoor-1.4557071




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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,696
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    65 shots in 15 seconds and they all missed. And you want teachers carrying in the classroom to shoot back at an armed intruder?

    San Francisco cops fire 65 shots in 15 seconds at murder suspect in dramatic video - Fox News https://apple.news/ANi473uHVQ36h_cY2mzNSOw
    Those who can't do, teach.  Maybe these cops will become teachers.
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  • PJPOWER
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    tbergs said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    65 shots in 15 seconds and they all missed. And you want teachers carrying in the classroom to shoot back at an armed intruder?

    San Francisco cops fire 65 shots in 15 seconds at murder suspect in dramatic video - Fox News https://apple.news/ANi473uHVQ36h_cY2mzNSOw
    That is beyond fucked up. What a mess. They're lucky none of them accidentally shot each other. Terrible tactics on their part.
    Wow, with cops like that...San Fran must not have very stringent requirements for becoming a police officer.  Look at the stumbling over each other...very poor show on their parts.  That being said, most police officers are not actually held at very high standards for shooting accuracy unless they are on a specialized team.

  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,130
    PJPOWER said:
    tbergs said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    65 shots in 15 seconds and they all missed. And you want teachers carrying in the classroom to shoot back at an armed intruder?

    San Francisco cops fire 65 shots in 15 seconds at murder suspect in dramatic video - Fox News https://apple.news/ANi473uHVQ36h_cY2mzNSOw
    That is beyond fucked up. What a mess. They're lucky none of them accidentally shot each other. Terrible tactics on their part.
    Wow, with cops like that...San Fran must not have very stringent requirements for becoming a police officer.  Look at the stumbling over each other...very poor show on their parts.  That being said, most police officers are not actually held at very high standards for shooting accuracy unless they are on a specialized team.

    Shouldn’t everyone be held to a high shooting accuracy prior to be given a gun, cop and “responsible” gun owner alike?
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  • Degeneratefk
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    Why is it that if a celebrity wants an assault rifle ban they are a hypocrite for having armed security? That argument makes no sense. I'd bet none of them are armed with AR-15s or AK-47s.
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  • OnWis97
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    josevolution said:
    Pennsylvania couples clutching AR-15 rifles renew wedding vows - CNN https://apple.news/A2NlTa-VyS_qlbmM8rJuiGQ
    Great couple ha ..
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  • cincybearcat
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    OnWis97 said:
    josevolution said:
    Pennsylvania couples clutching AR-15 rifles renew wedding vows - CNN https://apple.news/A2NlTa-VyS_qlbmM8rJuiGQ
    Great couple ha ..
    What's the English/Christian word for Jihadist?
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Please let me know when government tyranny strikes Australia and Norway and their residents end up living in a facist, communist, cult like state because they gave up their firearms.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-norway-australia-gun-control-20180301-story.html


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  • tempo_n_groove
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    PJ_Soul said:
    Huh.
    I guess I don't expect Americans to give a fuck about what a Canadian company does in response to America's gun problem, but I think it's interesting that Mountain Equipment Coop (which has 5 million members - kind of like a Costco membership), has announced they will no longer buy any products made by Vista Outdoor products because Vista also makes US guns and ammo. MEC doesn't sell firearms, but they are one of those socially involved companies by reputation, and decided they don't want to support a gun manufacturer in any way... This was, though, a direct response to a petition for them to make the move.
    Obviously gun enthusiasts are against this move... but really, how many people give a shit about gun enthusiasts' opinions on these things? Not me. Even if this is just a symbolic move more than anything else, I'm having trouble with any arguments against it.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/mec-vista-outdoor-1.4557071




    I got as far as the title and saw where this was going.

    Vancouver-based chain succumbs to pressure and distances itself from the U.S. gun and ammunitions maker


    "Succumbs to pressure".  If you want real change you need to hit them in the pocketbook and get organized.  Keep pressuring companies and they will do something.

    Unfortunately there will be another divide in the country.  Rather than try to do something amicable to reduce gun violence(I do blame the NRA for this) there will be an extreme change to rules/laws.


  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,130
    tempo_n_groove said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Huh.
    I guess I don't expect Americans to give a fuck about what a Canadian company does in response to America's gun problem, but I think it's interesting that Mountain Equipment Coop (which has 5 million members - kind of like a Costco membership), has announced they will no longer buy any products made by Vista Outdoor products because Vista also makes US guns and ammo. MEC doesn't sell firearms, but they are one of those socially involved companies by reputation, and decided they don't want to support a gun manufacturer in any way... This was, though, a direct response to a petition for them to make the move.
    Obviously gun enthusiasts are against this move... but really, how many people give a shit about gun enthusiasts' opinions on these things? Not me. Even if this is just a symbolic move more than anything else, I'm having trouble with any arguments against it.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/mec-vista-outdoor-1.4557071




    I got as far as the title and saw where this was going.

    Vancouver-based chain succumbs to pressure and distances itself from the U.S. gun and ammunitions maker


    "Succumbs to pressure".  If you want real change you need to hit them in the pocketbook and get organized.  Keep pressuring companies and they will do something.

    Unfortunately there will be another divide in the country.  Rather than try to do something amicable to reduce gun violence(I do blame the NRA for this) there will be an extreme change to rules/laws.


    With every live birth, the child gets issued a gun along with a social security number. Parents can choose from a vairity of models and types. Lets just arm everyone at birth. Problem solved.
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,864
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Huh.
    I guess I don't expect Americans to give a fuck about what a Canadian company does in response to America's gun problem, but I think it's interesting that Mountain Equipment Coop (which has 5 million members - kind of like a Costco membership), has announced they will no longer buy any products made by Vista Outdoor products because Vista also makes US guns and ammo. MEC doesn't sell firearms, but they are one of those socially involved companies by reputation, and decided they don't want to support a gun manufacturer in any way... This was, though, a direct response to a petition for them to make the move.
    Obviously gun enthusiasts are against this move... but really, how many people give a shit about gun enthusiasts' opinions on these things? Not me. Even if this is just a symbolic move more than anything else, I'm having trouble with any arguments against it.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/mec-vista-outdoor-1.4557071




    I got as far as the title and saw where this was going.

    Vancouver-based chain succumbs to pressure and distances itself from the U.S. gun and ammunitions maker


    "Succumbs to pressure".  If you want real change you need to hit them in the pocketbook and get organized.  Keep pressuring companies and they will do something.

    Unfortunately there will be another divide in the country.  Rather than try to do something amicable to reduce gun violence(I do blame the NRA for this) there will be an extreme change to rules/laws.


    With every live birth, the child gets issued a gun along with a social security number. Parents can choose from a vairity of models and types. Lets just arm everyone at birth. Problem solved.
    That sounds great!


  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,022
    Degeneratefk said:
    Why is it that if a celebrity wants an assault rifle ban they are a hypocrite for having armed security? That argument makes no sense. I'd bet none of them are armed with AR-15s or AK-47s.
    their logic is the celebrity has security to protect them, "regular" people don't, so they should be able to arm themselves with a tank. 
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  • mace1229
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    OnWis97 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    65 shots in 15 seconds and they all missed. And you want teachers carrying in the classroom to shoot back at an armed intruder?

    San Francisco cops fire 65 shots in 15 seconds at murder suspect in dramatic video - Fox News https://apple.news/ANi473uHVQ36h_cY2mzNSOw
    Those who can't do, teach.  Maybe these cops will become teachers.
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    PJPOWER said:
    tbergs said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    65 shots in 15 seconds and they all missed. And you want teachers carrying in the classroom to shoot back at an armed intruder?

    San Francisco cops fire 65 shots in 15 seconds at murder suspect in dramatic video - Fox News https://apple.news/ANi473uHVQ36h_cY2mzNSOw
    That is beyond fucked up. What a mess. They're lucky none of them accidentally shot each other. Terrible tactics on their part.
    Wow, with cops like that...San Fran must not have very stringent requirements for becoming a police officer.  Look at the stumbling over each other...very poor show on their parts.  That being said, most police officers are not actually held at very high standards for shooting accuracy unless they are on a specialized team.

    Shouldn’t everyone be held to a high shooting accuracy prior to be given a gun, cop and “responsible” gun owner alike?
    Yeah, but you kind of have to get a gun before you can practice and become accurate too, lol.  But I agree, if you are not going to practice and exercise safe handling, you have no reason to have one.  It will do you no good if you have not practiced with it and learned its functions (and almost all have their specific quarks or specific functionality differences).
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,910
    tempo_n_groove said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Huh.
    I guess I don't expect Americans to give a fuck about what a Canadian company does in response to America's gun problem, but I think it's interesting that Mountain Equipment Coop (which has 5 million members - kind of like a Costco membership), has announced they will no longer buy any products made by Vista Outdoor products because Vista also makes US guns and ammo. MEC doesn't sell firearms, but they are one of those socially involved companies by reputation, and decided they don't want to support a gun manufacturer in any way... This was, though, a direct response to a petition for them to make the move.
    Obviously gun enthusiasts are against this move... but really, how many people give a shit about gun enthusiasts' opinions on these things? Not me. Even if this is just a symbolic move more than anything else, I'm having trouble with any arguments against it.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/mec-vista-outdoor-1.4557071




    I got as far as the title and saw where this was going.

    Vancouver-based chain succumbs to pressure and distances itself from the U.S. gun and ammunitions maker


    "Succumbs to pressure".  If you want real change you need to hit them in the pocketbook and get organized.  Keep pressuring companies and they will do something.

    Unfortunately there will be another divide in the country.  Rather than try to do something amicable to reduce gun violence(I do blame the NRA for this) there will be an extreme change to rules/laws.


    Well, yeah, although to be fair, MEC really is a very socially aware company in general. I seriously doubt they struggled with the decision as much as that headline suggests.
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    PJ_Soul said:
    Huh.
    I guess I don't expect Americans to give a fuck about what a Canadian company does in response to America's gun problem, but I think it's interesting that Mountain Equipment Coop (which has 5 million members - kind of like a Costco membership), has announced they will no longer buy any products made by Vista Outdoor products because Vista also makes US guns and ammo. MEC doesn't sell firearms, but they are one of those socially involved companies by reputation, and decided they don't want to support a gun manufacturer in any way... This was, though, a direct response to a petition for them to make the move.
    Obviously gun enthusiasts are against this move... but really, how many people give a shit about gun enthusiasts' opinions on these things? Not me. Even if this is just a symbolic move more than anything else, I'm having trouble with any arguments against it.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/mec-vista-outdoor-1.4557071




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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Please let me know when government tyranny strikes Australia and Norway and their residents end up living in a facist, communist, cult like state because they gave up their firearms.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-norway-australia-gun-control-20180301-story.html


    I’m sure that some of the more libertarian among us would argue that Norway already fits that bill. Personally, I think it’s an incredibly pleasant place to live. Takes all kinds, I guess. 
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