America's Gun Violence

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  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    Republicans love the unborn, hate the born
  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    Smellyman said:
    Republicans love the unborn, hate the born
    Wtf?
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    unsung said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    unsung said:
    The Juggler said:
    unsung said:
    The Juggler said:
    Wait a minute....the "libertarian" is also pro life? Dude, you are a walking contradiction. 
    In one breath you say that children are the future, in the next you support ending that potential before birth.

    You are holding that hypocrisy,  I will defend life.

    The NRA hasn't ended any life, the NRA is supported with zero taxpayer dollars.

    Planned Parenthood (irony there) ends life every day, and it is funded to the tune of $500M annually by taxpayers.

    I know which is a greater threat to life.

    ***it angers me that I have to defend the NRA***

    A true libertarian wouldn't give two shits what some woman does with her body.

    Plain and simple: you're a fraud.

    I'm not a true libertarian.

    I also don't care what anyone does to their body.  But that body inside her body isn't hers.
    Wow

    Because women are just pods for globs of goo that given time will develop into a fetus?
    That's a bit far fetched and dramatic, don't you think?

    Shall I rephrase...people can do what they want with their bodies as long as they aren't harming others.
    We agree.

    Goo isn't 'others' in my mind... so pro choice is cool and allows women to do what they want with their bodies given they aren't harming others!
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,446
    unsung said:
    The Juggler said:
    unsung said:
    The Juggler said:
    Wait a minute....the "libertarian" is also pro life? Dude, you are a walking contradiction. 
    In one breath you say that children are the future, in the next you support ending that potential before birth.

    You are holding that hypocrisy,  I will defend life.

    The NRA hasn't ended any life, the NRA is supported with zero taxpayer dollars.

    Planned Parenthood (irony there) ends life every day, and it is funded to the tune of $500M annually by taxpayers.

    I know which is a greater threat to life.

    ***it angers me that I have to defend the NRA***

    A true libertarian wouldn't give two shits what some woman does with her body.

    Plain and simple: you're a fraud.

    I'm not a true libertarian.

    I also don't care what anyone does to their body.  But that body inside her body isn't hers.
    I can appreciate that perspective, while it’s in her, a woman has an obligation to nourish it for nine months. Once it’s out of her, she has to nourish it until it is self-sufficient. To me, when a woman recognizes her family/self’s inability to nourish a child (either now or when it is out of the womb), it seems she is doing it as a pain preventative. I understand the child doesn’t have an ability to object, but parents ignore a child’s objection stating that they know best on a regular basis. The stakes certainly aren’t as high, but the logic is the same.
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  • cincybearcat
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    Oh man - on to the abortion debate huh?  For a few years before, I was a 1 issue voter on this issue.  But it didn't help.  Hoping my new 1 issue voter stance has any sort of an impact.  I do find a lot of hypocrisy around people's views on abortion and their views on other things...but this is a gun thread. And guns don't kill people, people will much too easy access to high powered guns with high capacity magazines kill lots of people at once and as most have pointed out people with easy access to handguns kill the most people.
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 32,101
    Pennsylvania couples clutching AR-15 rifles renew wedding vows - CNN https://apple.news/A2NlTa-VyS_qlbmM8rJuiGQ
    Great couple ha ..
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    josevolution said:
    Pennsylvania couples clutching AR-15 rifles renew wedding vows - CNN https://apple.news/A2NlTa-VyS_qlbmM8rJuiGQ
    Great couple ha ..
    There’s a couple of murder/suicides in that congregation’s future.
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  • josevolution
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    josevolution said:
    Pennsylvania couples clutching AR-15 rifles renew wedding vows - CNN https://apple.news/A2NlTa-VyS_qlbmM8rJuiGQ
    Great couple ha ..
    There’s a couple of murder/suicides in that congregation’s future.
    No doubt these are the morons we should be worried about..
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    josevolution said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    josevolution said:
    Pennsylvania couples clutching AR-15 rifles renew wedding vows - CNN https://apple.news/A2NlTa-VyS_qlbmM8rJuiGQ
    Great couple ha ..
    There’s a couple of murder/suicides in that congregation’s future.
    No doubt these are the morons we should be worried about..
    Eh, they aren't the mass shooter type.
    They are the family spat turned murder/suicide type though.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,599
    edited March 2018

    "TAKE THE GUNS FIRST...GO THROUGH DUE PROCESS SECOND."

    -Republican President, Donald J. Trump.

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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Weird to agree with Trump for a change.
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 32,101
    rgambs said:
    Weird to agree with Trump for a change.
    You know just as well that was him yesterday that won’t be his message today ..
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 32,101
    rgambs said:
    josevolution said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    josevolution said:
    Pennsylvania couples clutching AR-15 rifles renew wedding vows - CNN https://apple.news/A2NlTa-VyS_qlbmM8rJuiGQ
    Great couple ha ..
    There’s a couple of murder/suicides in that congregation’s future.
    No doubt these are the morons we should be worried about..
    Eh, they aren't the mass shooter type.
    They are the family spat turned murder/suicide type though.
    Yeah or one of them could just as well say fuck my marriage is over I’m taking everyone with me type 
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,599
    josevolution said:
    rgambs said:
    Weird to agree with Trump for a change.
    You know just as well that was him yesterday that won’t be his message today ..


    He has no positions. That's the problem. Whatever he thinks works for him in the short term, is always the way he will lean.


    REALLY wish someone would have asked him, if he really believes this way now, why he rolled back Obama's EO that discouraged mentally ill folks from obtaining guns in the first place. Why didn't anyone bring that up?

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  • cincybearcat
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    josevolution said:
    rgambs said:
    Weird to agree with Trump for a change.
    You know just as well that was him yesterday that won’t be his message today ..
    Yeah that's what sucks...cause he is giving a glimmer of hope....but it'll be gone soon.
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
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  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,500
    edited March 2018

    unsung said:
    The Juggler said:
    unsung said:
    The Juggler said:
    Wait a minute....the "libertarian" is also pro life? Dude, you are a walking contradiction. 
    In one breath you say that children are the future, in the next you support ending that potential before birth.

    You are holding that hypocrisy,  I will defend life.

    The NRA hasn't ended any life, the NRA is supported with zero taxpayer dollars.

    Planned Parenthood (irony there) ends life every day, and it is funded to the tune of $500M annually by taxpayers.

    I know which is a greater threat to life.

    ***it angers me that I have to defend the NRA***

    A true libertarian wouldn't give two shits what some woman does with her body.

    Plain and simple: you're a fraud.

    I'm not a true libertarian.

    I also don't care what anyone does to their body.  But that body inside her body isn't hers.
    Yes it is. For all technical purposes it's a parasite, cannot survive without a host.
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  • ponytd
    ponytd Nashville Posts: 671
    The Juggler said:

    "TAKE THE GUNS FIRST...GO THROUGH DUE PROCESS SECOND."

    -Republican President, Donald J. Trump.

    this is basically a step in the GVRO (Gun Violence Restraining Order). I'd never heard of this until last week when I read this article, but as gun owner, I wouldn't mind something like this being enacted federally
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/02/gun-control-republicans-consider-grvo/

    would it solve all problems? No. But we need to take steps to keep guns out of the wrong hands and protect people, especially children. There needs to be a standard national background check that is comprehensive and have it include any private gun sales/gun shows. You want to sell a gun to your neighbor, fine. But you have to go to a licensed FFL dealer to do so and buyer should pay a fee for that test. We also need medical professionals to actually update a registry for people who have been seen or diagnosed with a mental illness. Perhaps even instituting a "no gun" list, like the no fly list. If you've been convicted of assault, especially domestic violence, you can't buy a gun ever or at least for a certain time frame. These are some of my other suggestions:
    Raise the age restriction to purchase all guns and ammo to 21.
    Revolvers, shotguns and non-semi auto rifles/guns are ok to buy for anyone who can pass a background check but ONLY after you pass a basic safety course.
    Any semi-auto handgun you must obtain a license/permit to purchase those weapons with stipulations above.
    Possible ban on AR or AK style or any semi-auto rifle. If not a ban, add an additional license/permit fee for these on top of everything above.
    Ban large capacity magazines and bump stocks. You don't need them.
    Create a standard Concealed Carry curriculum that includes both shooting and written tests for those that wish to get one.(my CC class included both written and shooting test, along with gun safety and laws pertaining to carrying).

    these are just some of my thoughts on the subject. I don't really see any of the above infringing on the 2nd Amendment, but does make it tougher to buy a gun. While I own several semi-auto handguns, I don't really need them. I like them better than my revolvers, and enjoy shooting them more at the range, but I would be willing to pay a fee for a license/permit to have one. AR/AK's are fun to shoot, but do we really need them? I don't see the purpose for them other than they look cool. Agree or disagree. I'm interested to hear your thoughts.

  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited March 2018
    Damn double post
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited March 2018
    HesCalledDyer said:

    unsung said:
    The Juggler said:
    unsung said:
    The Juggler said:
    Wait a minute....the "libertarian" is also pro life? Dude, you are a walking contradiction. 
    In one breath you say that children are the future, in the next you support ending that potential before birth.

    You are holding that hypocrisy,  I will defend life.

    The NRA hasn't ended any life, the NRA is supported with zero taxpayer dollars.

    Planned Parenthood (irony there) ends life every day, and it is funded to the tune of $500M annually by taxpayers.

    I know which is a greater threat to life.

    ***it angers me that I have to defend the NRA***

    A true libertarian wouldn't give two shits what some woman does with her body.

    Plain and simple: you're a fraud.

    I'm not a true libertarian.

    I also don't care what anyone does to their body.  But that body inside her body isn't hers.
    Yes it is. For all technical purposes it's a parasite, cannot survive without a host.
    Actually, no, embryos do not meet the technical scientific definition of a parasite.  Might want to do some research there...But there is another thread on this topic that is more relevant than this one.

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