America's Gun Violence

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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,673
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Why and for what purpose would Delta or United have ties to the NRA? Sponsorship of their convention? Advertising in their member newsletter? Something else?
    Like being a member of AAA the membership got discounts at Delta, Hertz, etc
  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,673
    edited February 2018
    tbergs said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    From David Simon creator of "The Wire ".......


    I love David Simon. Just finishing up my 4th full run through of The Wire.
    I watch The Wire beginning to end every  year.
    If you are a David Simon fan  check out Treme on HBO if you haven't  seen it already.
    Also read the new book by Jonathan Abrams "All The Pieces Matter". A great read for fans of The Wire.
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,311
    Bentleyspop said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Why and for what purpose would Delta or United have ties to the NRA? Sponsorship of their convention? Advertising in their member newsletter? Something else?
    Like being a member of AAA the membership got discounts at Delta, Hertz, etc
    Free gun check on flights? Ahhhhhhh, rent a car, get a free gun cleaning?
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  • josevolution
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    brianlux said:
    benjs said:
    Can we summarize the suggested actions (for either handling the gun problem in schools or public areas)? Not the reasons behind them, just strictly the actions themselves. At this point, I think I’ve heard:

    1. Arm teachers with tasers
    2. Arm teachers with guns
    3. Deploy armed guards in schools
    4. Deploy armed guards in public facilities
    5. Ban guns
    6. Ban assault type weapons
    7. Increase gun control

    Have I missed any?

    Somehow, somefucking how because I don't know how to do this, but somehow stop kids from turning into bullies.  My wife told me about an article by this guy who said he had planned a mass shooting at his school because he was sick to death of being bullied.  The only reason he didn't carry out his plan was because he was too stoned.   I don't know if all these details are correct but the point is if we stopped the bulling, some of these incidents wouldn't happen. 
    I agree the fucking bullying has to stop on all levels ...
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 31,020
    ^ All for the wonderful salary of 36k per year.  
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mrussel1 said:
    ^ All for the wonderful salary of 36k per year.  
    But they only work 180 days a year and have summers off.
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ^ All for the wonderful salary of 36k per year.  
    But they only work 180 days a year and have summers off.
    I guess that’s when they’ll do the marksmanship training. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 31,020
    oftenreading said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ^ All for the wonderful salary of 36k per year.  
    But they only work 180 days a year and have summers off.
    I guess that’s when they’ll do the marksmanship training. 
    More like tactical ops and marksmen.  
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 31,020
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ^ All for the wonderful salary of 36k per year.  
    But they only work 180 days a year and have summers off.
    It's sad how we devalue the people that spend 6 hours a day with our children.  BTW, more than a few school systems have started to move to all year, with more breaks.  Means teachers could not get a second job if they wanted.  So if they wanted to work a SWAT detail, or perhaps moonlight as a Brinks security guard, that would be more difficult.  
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,237
    mrussel1 said:
    ^ All for the wonderful salary of 36k per year.  
    teachers in va only make 36k a year?  Wow
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,813
    Teachers and all that "time off" LOL. 

    I remember my teaching days.  Lesson plans, reading, correcting papers, material requisitions (AKA begging for supplies), after school meetings, board meetings, fund raising, teacher-parent conferences, extra curricular activities, counseling, refresher courses at the college level, etc. 

    Oh yeah, all that time off.  :lol:
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,311
    brianlux said:
    Teachers and all that "time off" LOL. 

    I remember my teaching days.  Lesson plans, reading, correcting papers, material requisitions (AKA begging for supplies), after school meetings, board meetings, fund raising, teacher-parent conferences, extra curricular activities, counseling, refresher courses at the college level, etc. 

    Oh yeah, all that time off.  :lol:
    And you were still overpaid.
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  • mcgruff10
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    brianlux said:
    Teachers and all that "time off" LOL. 

    I remember my teaching days.  Lesson plans, reading, correcting papers, material requisitions (AKA begging for supplies), after school meetings, board meetings, fund raising, teacher-parent conferences, extra curricular activities, counseling, refresher courses at the college level, etc. 

    Oh yeah, all that time off.  :lol:
    And you were still overpaid.
    overpaid lol.  I can't.  
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,237

    brianlux said:
    Teachers and all that "time off" LOL. 

    I remember my teaching days.  Lesson plans, reading, correcting papers, material requisitions (AKA begging for supplies), after school meetings, board meetings, fund raising, teacher-parent conferences, extra curricular activities, counseling, refresher courses at the college level, etc. 

    Oh yeah, all that time off.  :lol:
    Bri, what did you teach?  I'm 17 years in teaching 8th grade social studies.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,813
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    brianlux said:
    Teachers and all that "time off" LOL. 

    I remember my teaching days.  Lesson plans, reading, correcting papers, material requisitions (AKA begging for supplies), after school meetings, board meetings, fund raising, teacher-parent conferences, extra curricular activities, counseling, refresher courses at the college level, etc. 

    Oh yeah, all that time off.  :lol:
    And you were still overpaid.
    Oh yeah, forgot about that!  :lol:
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 31,020
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ^ All for the wonderful salary of 36k per year.  
    teachers in va only make 36k a year?  Wow
    Starting off with a bachelor's, yeah that's about the number.  Get a masters after and tenure and you get to around 50k if I'm not mistaken.  
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,237
    brianlux said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    brianlux said:
    Teachers and all that "time off" LOL. 

    I remember my teaching days.  Lesson plans, reading, correcting papers, material requisitions (AKA begging for supplies), after school meetings, board meetings, fund raising, teacher-parent conferences, extra curricular activities, counseling, refresher courses at the college level, etc. 

    Oh yeah, all that time off.  :lol:
    And you were still overpaid.
    Oh yeah, forgot about that!  :lol:
    He obviously has never stepped foot in front of a class! lol.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,813
    mcgruff10 said:

    brianlux said:
    Teachers and all that "time off" LOL. 

    I remember my teaching days.  Lesson plans, reading, correcting papers, material requisitions (AKA begging for supplies), after school meetings, board meetings, fund raising, teacher-parent conferences, extra curricular activities, counseling, refresher courses at the college level, etc. 

    Oh yeah, all that time off.  :lol:
    Bri, what did you teach?  I'm 17 years in teaching 8th grade social studies.
    5/6 combo.  Was hard work but a lot of fun for a couple years.  But then my ex wanted to move north and I got stuck in a routine of full-time subbing in Washington state due to job shortages up there.  Subbing was hell!

    17 years!  Congratulations and thanks for doing it.  We need good teachers like yourself!
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    josevolution said:
    brianlux said:
    benjs said:
    Can we summarize the suggested actions (for either handling the gun problem in schools or public areas)? Not the reasons behind them, just strictly the actions themselves. At this point, I think I’ve heard:

    1. Arm teachers with tasers
    2. Arm teachers with guns
    3. Deploy armed guards in schools
    4. Deploy armed guards in public facilities
    5. Ban guns
    6. Ban assault type weapons
    7. Increase gun control

    Have I missed any?

    Somehow, somefucking how because I don't know how to do this, but somehow stop kids from turning into bullies.  My wife told me about an article by this guy who said he had planned a mass shooting at his school because he was sick to death of being bullied.  The only reason he didn't carry out his plan was because he was too stoned.   I don't know if all these details are correct but the point is if we stopped the bulling, some of these incidents wouldn't happen. 
    I agree the fucking bullying has to stop on all levels ...

    It also doesn’t help that people in charge do not seem recogonize that every person at that school is traumatized .... a generation of young people are being traumatized mentally and likely not getting the help they need, which may lead to bullying...I thought it was tough when I was young...didn’t have this going on that often.
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