America's Gun Violence

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  • riley540
    riley540 Denver Colorado Posts: 1,132
    rgambs said:
    All this talk of what could go wrong seems a little nitpicky to me.
    There's a person with an assault rifle gunning down everyone in sight, trying to kill as many people as possible...and y'all are shitting your pants over the idea that a teacher trying to stop them might miss the psychopathic menace and hit a student?  Some risks are worth taking.

    I wouldn't even be entertaining these thoughts if I thought anything meaningful would happen in gun control efforts.  
    IT WON'T.

    Nothing is going to happen.  If you think it is, your head is in your ass. 
    Spot on
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    rgambs said:
    All this talk of what could go wrong seems a little nitpicky to me.
    There's a person with an assault rifle gunning down everyone in sight, trying to kill as many people as possible...and y'all are shitting your pants over the idea that a teacher trying to stop them might miss the psychopathic menace and hit a student?  Some risks are worth taking.

    I wouldn't even be entertaining these thoughts if I thought anything meaningful would happen in gun control efforts.  
    IT WON'T.

    Nothing is going to happen.  If you think it is, your head is in your ass. 
    Really? Nitpicky?

    Guess some of us are not willing to give up like you.

    Don't mind me while I take in the view from up my ass.
  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,410
    Every single educator I know, and there are lots from pre-school up through  college professors, think arming teachers is stupid.
  • riley540
    riley540 Denver Colorado Posts: 1,132
    Bentleyspop said:
    Every single educator I know, and there are lots from pre-school up through  college professors, think arming teachers is stupid.
    Many of us think banning guns is stupid. 
  • wndowpayne
    wndowpayne Posts: 1,469
    I don't think it should be put upon a teacher to carry a gun. They are responsible for enough already. I will say I'm glad I don't have underage kids anymore.You sadly enough almost need to treat a school like a prison. Build a wall around it and have a few armed guards..It's pathetic....An article in my local paper had a piece today...kid on a dare brought a loaded handgun to his 7th grade class..
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,114
    edited February 2018
    Bentleyspop said:
    Every single educator I know, and there are lots from pre-school up through  college professors, think arming teachers is stupid.
    What do you teach?
    The vibe in my school Is that some think it is a good idea (maybe 40%?) and others hate it.  However I live in a state where you need a background check to buy a god damn BB gun so I doubt teachers will ever be allowed to carry. 
    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,177
    If you arm teachers will they run and hide like the armed guard did at the Florida school?
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,114
    Gern Blansten said:
    If you arm teachers will they run and hide like the armed guard did at the Florida school?
    Is this the land of hypothetical scenarios?

    how can anyone possibly answer that?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    dignin said:
    rgambs said:
    All this talk of what could go wrong seems a little nitpicky to me.
    There's a person with an assault rifle gunning down everyone in sight, trying to kill as many people as possible...and y'all are shitting your pants over the idea that a teacher trying to stop them might miss the psychopathic menace and hit a student?  Some risks are worth taking.

    I wouldn't even be entertaining these thoughts if I thought anything meaningful would happen in gun control efforts.  
    IT WON'T.

    Nothing is going to happen.  If you think it is, your head is in your ass. 
    Really? Nitpicky?

    Guess some of us are not willing to give up like you.

    Don't mind me while I take in the view from up my ass.
    I haven't given up efforts, I've given up hope.
    I'm an atheist, i don't believe in ghosts or UFO's, I'm not the type to buy into fairytales and the idea that any of our solutions will be put into effect within the next few years is a fairytale.
    Meanwhile, our kids are standing exposed and helpless, and from my perspective it's you who is doing nothing to protect them.
    We've reached desperate times and desperate measures are called for.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    riley540 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Every single educator I know, and there are lots from pre-school up through  college professors, think arming teachers is stupid.
    Many of us think banning guns is stupid. 
    Banning all guns could never happen.  Most are talking about assault weapons . Do you think that's stupid and please explain why,  if yes. 
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,401
    We've reached speculation central with teachers being armed now the central argument. What's completely stupid is that we all agree that it will not stop a shooting from happening, but some are now coming to the conclusion that it's better than nothing so all of our time here and more importantly at the national level is being spent discussing it. Yet, we don't all agree that banning assault rifles and limiting mag capacity will save lives. How can you be for arming teachers knowing it doesn't stop a shooting or possibly even save lives, but against banning certain firearms you also claim won't put an end to gun violence or stop shootings. One speculatively effective measure some how makes sense and the other doesn't? Even though studies and comparative data from other countries supports a decrease in gun violence and the other doesn't.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    mcgruff10 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    If you arm teachers will they run and hide like the armed guard did at the Florida school?
    Is this the land of hypothetical scenarios?

    how can anyone possibly answer that?
    Considering hypothetical scenarios is key to critical thinking. Something that doesn't seem to have much value these days.
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,177
    mcgruff10 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    If you arm teachers will they run and hide like the armed guard did at the Florida school?
    Is this the land of hypothetical scenarios?

    how can anyone possibly answer that?
    Common sense perhaps?  Teachers expected to chase down armed gunmen?  
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    wndowpayne said:
    I don't think it should be put upon a teacher to carry a gun. They are responsible for enough already. I will say I'm glad I don't have underage kids anymore.You sadly enough almost need to treat a school like a prison. Build a wall around it and have a few armed guards..It's pathetic....An article in my local paper had a piece today...kid on a dare brought a loaded handgun to his 7th grade class..
    TODAY....
    So a 12 or 13 year old brings a gun to school. Where and how did he get it? “Responsible” gun owner strikes again.
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  • riley540
    riley540 Denver Colorado Posts: 1,132
    mrussel1 said:
    riley540 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Every single educator I know, and there are lots from pre-school up through  college professors, think arming teachers is stupid.
    Many of us think banning guns is stupid. 
    Banning all guns could never happen.  Most are talking about assault weapons . Do you think that's stupid and please explain why,  if yes. 
    I don’t think banning the AR15 would change anything. There are many similar guns. Also, a valid argument from friends is that they want to own a gun similar to what the government has possession of. Many people don’t like that argument, but many people don’t want to end up like Rome, Cuba, China, German/Poland, ect. I think it’s a valid argument personally, but purely my opinion. 
  • unsung
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    mrussel1 said:
    tbergs said:
    unsung said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    unsung said:
    That is a slippery slope.  What other Rights would it apply to in order to exercise?
    Its good enough for armed marshals in Texas public schools, why not the average person wanting to purchase and possess a firearm?
    You didn't answer my question.  Would we need to submit to an exam in order to vote too?
    Can you directly kill 20 - 60 other people with your vote?
    No, indirectly... far more.  
    Exactly.
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,401
    edited February 2018
    dignin said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    If you arm teachers will they run and hide like the armed guard did at the Florida school?
    Is this the land of hypothetical scenarios?

    how can anyone possibly answer that?
    Considering hypothetical scenarios is key to critical thinking. Something that doesn't seem to have much value these days.
    Its what those of us in emergency preparedness plan for all the time. The hypothetical threat or disaster that may never come, but you run through it so people aren't caught off guard and have considered what could happen.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • unsung
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    edited February 2018
    dignin said:
    Also, why are Americans so afraid of someone breaking into their homes to get them? As an outsider you come off as paranoid. Most other places don't have this fear.

    Why are you so afraid? 
    I am afraid of my government as for over a year now I have heard that a sexual predator "literally Hitler" Russian agent is President.

    Or are we saying that it is now ok for a sexual predator "literally Hitler" Russian agent to disarm law abiding citizens?
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,177
    Teacher shoots student
    Police shoots teacher (because he can't tell the gunman from the "good guy")

    So many scenarios...so little time

    None of that stupid bullshit helps solve the problem.
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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
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    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    rgambs said:
    dignin said:
    rgambs said:
    All this talk of what could go wrong seems a little nitpicky to me.
    There's a person with an assault rifle gunning down everyone in sight, trying to kill as many people as possible...and y'all are shitting your pants over the idea that a teacher trying to stop them might miss the psychopathic menace and hit a student?  Some risks are worth taking.

    I wouldn't even be entertaining these thoughts if I thought anything meaningful would happen in gun control efforts.  
    IT WON'T.

    Nothing is going to happen.  If you think it is, your head is in your ass. 
    Really? Nitpicky?

    Guess some of us are not willing to give up like you.

    Don't mind me while I take in the view from up my ass.
    I haven't given up efforts, I've given up hope.
    I'm an atheist, i don't believe in ghosts or UFO's, I'm not the type to buy into fairytales and the idea that any of our solutions will be put into effect within the next few years is a fairytale.
    Meanwhile, our kids are standing exposed and helpless, and from my perspective it's you who is doing nothing to protect them.
    We've reached desperate times and desperate measures are called for.
    And from my perspective it is you and others here who are advocating for kids to be put into more danger.
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