America's Gun Violence

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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,715
    josevolution said:
    Funny I attended high school in the early 70’s I can’t recall not one mass school shooting happening, why ? Are they happening now with such frequency? 
    You're opening the door to "because god's not allowed in public anymore."
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    josevolution said:
    Funny I attended high school in the early 70’s I can’t recall not one mass school shooting happening, why ? Are they happening now with such frequency? 
    Things change. That's just how it is. If any accounts of the 70s are to be believed, physical bullying was a huge problem. Kids getting severely beat and broken limbs seem to have been pretty common.  Granted, that's much better than getting shot to death, but violenceviolence is nothing new, only the way it is being expressed.
    Domestic violence, alcoholism, sexual assault, gang wars...all have improved.  Not to mention the fact that bombing is much less common domestically than it was in the 70s.
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 42,023
    josevolution said:
    PJPOWER said:
    josevolution said:
    Funny I attended high school in the early 70’s I can’t recall not one mass school shooting happening, why ? Are they happening now with such frequency? 
    Not to mention, firearms were actually allowed on campuses back then.  I remember almost all pickups of the parking lot having gun racks and loaded firearms resting in them.  
    Not here in NY maybe in backwoods states like were you live not here I never saw any rifles on back of pickup truck windows ...
    We also don't have mass shootings in NY if you want to go that route.

    In the last 30 years gun deaths have gone up, fact.

    What else has happened that would mirror this phenomenon?

    Internet?
    Different laws towards Mental Health?
    No spanking your kids?
    Not disciplining your kids?
    Medicating ourselves rather than getting real help?

    Gun laws have actually increased over the years not decreased so there HAS to be an other underlying cause.
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    mcgruff10 said:
    josevolution said:
    PJPOWER said:
    josevolution said:
    Funny I attended high school in the early 70’s I can’t recall not one mass school shooting happening, why ? Are they happening now with such frequency? 
    Not to mention, firearms were actually allowed on campuses back then.  I remember almost all pickups of the parking lot having gun racks and loaded firearms resting in them.  
    Not here in NY maybe in backwoods states like were you live not here I never saw any rifles on back of pickup truck windows ...
    It definitely happened in rural sections of new york and new jersey.  I know because my father in law went to school near monticello, new york and him and his buddies would pack their rifles in their trucks, go to school and then head out to deer hunt.  
    Hell, I remember my father talking about how they were allowed to have their shotguns and rifles IN their dorm rooms back in the day...society has most definitely changed.
  • riley540
    riley540 Denver Colorado Posts: 1,132
    tempo_n_groove said:
    josevolution said:
    PJPOWER said:
    josevolution said:
    Funny I attended high school in the early 70’s I can’t recall not one mass school shooting happening, why ? Are they happening now with such frequency? 
    Not to mention, firearms were actually allowed on campuses back then.  I remember almost all pickups of the parking lot having gun racks and loaded firearms resting in them.  
    Not here in NY maybe in backwoods states like were you live not here I never saw any rifles on back of pickup truck windows ...
    We also don't have mass shootings in NY if you want to go that route.

    In the last 30 years gun deaths have gone up, fact.

    What else has happened that would mirror this phenomenon?

    Internet?
    Different laws towards Mental Health?
    No spanking your kids?
    Not disciplining your kids?
    Medicating ourselves rather than getting real help?

    Gun laws have actually increased over the years not decreased so there HAS to be an other underlying cause.
    According to FBI statistics gun deaths have actually been on a decline the past 20 years in the US
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,237
    tempo_n_groove said:
    josevolution said:
    PJPOWER said:
    josevolution said:
    Funny I attended high school in the early 70’s I can’t recall not one mass school shooting happening, why ? Are they happening now with such frequency? 
    Not to mention, firearms were actually allowed on campuses back then.  I remember almost all pickups of the parking lot having gun racks and loaded firearms resting in them.  
    Not here in NY maybe in backwoods states like were you live not here I never saw any rifles on back of pickup truck windows ...
    We also don't have mass shootings in NY if you want to go that route.

    In the last 30 years gun deaths have gone up, fact.

    What else has happened that would mirror this phenomenon?

    Internet?
    Different laws towards Mental Health?
    No spanking your kids?
    Not disciplining your kids?
    Medicating ourselves rather than getting real help?

    Gun laws have actually increased over the years not decreased so there HAS to be an other underlying cause.
    Tempo I definitely agree with all those changes.  I also think the internet, 24 hour news cycle and social media has had a huge impact on the rise of mass shootings.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 42,023
    riley540 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    josevolution said:
    PJPOWER said:
    josevolution said:
    Funny I attended high school in the early 70’s I can’t recall not one mass school shooting happening, why ? Are they happening now with such frequency? 
    Not to mention, firearms were actually allowed on campuses back then.  I remember almost all pickups of the parking lot having gun racks and loaded firearms resting in them.  
    Not here in NY maybe in backwoods states like were you live not here I never saw any rifles on back of pickup truck windows ...
    We also don't have mass shootings in NY if you want to go that route.

    In the last 30 years gun deaths have gone up, fact.

    What else has happened that would mirror this phenomenon?

    Internet?
    Different laws towards Mental Health?
    No spanking your kids?
    Not disciplining your kids?
    Medicating ourselves rather than getting real help?

    Gun laws have actually increased over the years not decreased so there HAS to be an other underlying cause.
    According to FBI statistics gun deaths have actually been on a decline the past 20 years in the US
    That should have been mass shootings, my apologies.mcgruff10 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    josevolution said:
    PJPOWER said:
    josevolution said:
    Funny I attended high school in the early 70’s I can’t recall not one mass school shooting happening, why ? Are they happening now with such frequency? 
    Not to mention, firearms were actually allowed on campuses back then.  I remember almost all pickups of the parking lot having gun racks and loaded firearms resting in them.  
    Not here in NY maybe in backwoods states like were you live not here I never saw any rifles on back of pickup truck windows ...
    We also don't have mass shootings in NY if you want to go that route.

    In the last 30 years gun deaths have gone up, fact.

    What else has happened that would mirror this phenomenon?

    Internet?
    Different laws towards Mental Health?
    No spanking your kids?
    Not disciplining your kids?
    Medicating ourselves rather than getting real help?

    Gun laws have actually increased over the years not decreased so there HAS to be an other underlying cause.
    Tempo I definitely agree with all those changes.  I also think the internet, 24 hour news cycle and social media has had a huge impact on the rise of mass shootings.
    24HR news coverage fits in there too.

    Just pointing out things to think about.
  • Shyner
    Shyner Posts: 1,226
    Ban on all steak 2
  • riley540
    riley540 Denver Colorado Posts: 1,132
    Social media, news, ect. I think it’s all contributing. The major difference between now and the 1980s is the full time access to media. It’s in our hands all day 
  • riley540
    riley540 Denver Colorado Posts: 1,132
    I guess I think it’s more important to figure out why people do these things. We can have a greater affect if we can get to the science 
  • Shyner
    Shyner Posts: 1,226
    rgambs said:
    Shyner said:
    I am for an all gun ban .

    It's time to stop the nonsense .

    I am for an all knife ban. 

    Changes are coming. 

    If you feel threatened by anyone you should pray. 

    Defending yourself is an excuse. 

    Faith in your gun will get you nowhere. 

    Have at it you fucking gun loving freaks. 

    I know it's coming. 
    Interesting comments from someone who compared a punch in the face to getting raped and claims to be a victim of both. I would think you would be acutely aware that prayer does not stop violence and that sort of faith is just as deeply misplaced, if not more so.
    I've learned that violence shouldn't breed violence. Forgiveness is what makes 1 confident to speak up. Without it you have nothing. 
    Yeah i was raped and assaulted and i heal in time. I absolutely believe in prayer .
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 32,223
    mcgruff10 said:
    josevolution said:
    PJPOWER said:
    josevolution said:
    Funny I attended high school in the early 70’s I can’t recall not one mass school shooting happening, why ? Are they happening now with such frequency? 
    Not to mention, firearms were actually allowed on campuses back then.  I remember almost all pickups of the parking lot having gun racks and loaded firearms resting in them.  
    Not here in NY maybe in backwoods states like were you live not here I never saw any rifles on back of pickup truck windows ...
    It definitely happened in rural sections of new york and new jersey.  I know because my father in law went to school near monticello, new york and him and his buddies would pack their rifles in their trucks, go to school and then head out to deer hunt.  
    Yes upstate Most def , here on Long Island not so much I know for sure I’ve never seen any pickups with gun racks with actual rifles on them ..
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  • Degeneratefk
    Degeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    riley540 said:
    I guess I think it’s more important to figure out why people do these things. We can have a greater affect if we can get to the science 
    Absolutley. But in the mean time, let's make sure the crazies can't get their hands on the ARs and AKs.
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 32,223
    riley540 said:
    Social media, news, ect. I think it’s all contributing. The major difference between now and the 1980s is the full time access to media. It’s in our hands all day 
    Yes but I don’t believe that’s what’s causing people to go out to shootup schools & churches ...
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  • riley540
    riley540 Denver Colorado Posts: 1,132
    josevolution said:
    riley540 said:
    Social media, news, ect. I think it’s all contributing. The major difference between now and the 1980s is the full time access to media. It’s in our hands all day 
    Yes but I don’t believe that’s what’s causing people to go out to shootup schools & churches ...
    I’m not a psychologist, and have no experience in that territory, but I’d love to hear what experts say. And sick and twisted as it is, it’s fascinating that it’s oart of the human biology and evolution. Some sort Of error. 
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    Occam's razor: "Entities are not to be multiplied without necessity"
    For each accepted explanation of a phenomenon, there may be an extremely large, perhaps even incomprehensible, number of possible and more complex alternatives. Since one can always burden failing explanations with ad hoc hypotheses to prevent them from being falsified, simpler theories are preferable to more complex ones because they are more testable.

    principle (or law) of parsimony
    the scientific principle that things are usually connected or behave in the simplest or most economical way, especially with reference to alternative evolutionary pathways.

    list of things that do not cause gun violence:
    video games
    rap music
    mental health
    gang culture
    gun culture
    hunting culture
    religious extremism
    immigrants
    racism
    poverty
    medication
    parenting
    social media
    24 hour news cycle

    list of things that do cause gun violence:
    guns
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    riley540 said:
    Social media, news, ect. I think it’s all contributing. The major difference between now and the 1980s is the full time access to media. It’s in our hands all day 

    Any evidence to back that up? Because there is a lot of evidence to show that there are a lot more guns out there today, and a lot more assault style weapons.

    This isn't complicated, as much as some try and make it complicated.
  • riley540
    riley540 Denver Colorado Posts: 1,132
    dignin said:
    riley540 said:
    Social media, news, ect. I think it’s all contributing. The major difference between now and the 1980s is the full time access to media. It’s in our hands all day 

    Any evidence to back that up? Because there is a lot of evidence to show that there are a lot more guns out there today, and a lot more assault style weapons.

    This isn't complicated, as much as some try and make it complicated.
    No concrete proof or evidence. Just ideas. Nobody knows why people do these things. 

    I simply believe thag banning AR15s won’t end school shooting. Columbine, V tech, two of the worst and hand guns were used. I guess my belief is that nothing good, or bad will happen if a ban is implemented. 

    What i beileive is important is determining the error is some people that motivate them to do heinous acts. 
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    riley540 said:
    dignin said:
    riley540 said:
    Social media, news, ect. I think it’s all contributing. The major difference between now and the 1980s is the full time access to media. It’s in our hands all day 

    Any evidence to back that up? Because there is a lot of evidence to show that there are a lot more guns out there today, and a lot more assault style weapons.

    This isn't complicated, as much as some try and make it complicated.


    What i beileive is important is determining the error is some people that motivate them to do heinous acts. 
    If you could determine the "error" in some people, then what?
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 32,223
    riley540 said:
    dignin said:
    riley540 said:
    Social media, news, ect. I think it’s all contributing. The major difference between now and the 1980s is the full time access to media. It’s in our hands all day 

    Any evidence to back that up? Because there is a lot of evidence to show that there are a lot more guns out there today, and a lot more assault style weapons.

    This isn't complicated, as much as some try and make it complicated.
    No concrete proof or evidence. Just ideas. Nobody knows why people do these things. 

    I simply believe thag banning AR15s won’t end school shooting. Columbine, V tech, two of the worst and hand guns were used. I guess my belief is that nothing good, or bad will happen if a ban is implemented. 

    What i beileive is important is determining the error is some people that motivate them to do heinous acts. 
    Can we at least try it before we call it a failed attempt you see that’s the problem this country doesn’t want to even try it it’s absurd !!
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