America's Gun Violence

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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    unsung said:
    No.  No deal.  

    I will not give up Liberty for perceived safety.  
    Any do you equate liberty to an assault weapon? 

    You give of assualt weapons and you get to keep a hell of a lot of other personal security and hunting weapons.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    mcgruff10 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    You are assuming all anyone wants is a gun ban.  not true. But it’s part of the solution. And I’m tired of people just completely ignoring it as a possibility.

    people keep saying criminals don’t obey the law so it won’t help. Then do you lock your car? How about your house? Burglary is already against the law so why do you want other protections? It’s a dumbass argument. 

    1) Ban assault weapons
    2) limit ammunition
    3) increase funding for mental health (including a robust program in schools)
    4) Beef up security in sensitive targets (like schools) with armed security guards and metal detection.
    5) Recalibrate the gun culture —— this is difficult but must start. You aren’t tough if you have a gun, just like you aren’t y’all if you own stilts. I can come up with options here... but you won’t like them either ;)

    Despite what the talking heads tell you this problem isn’t that hard to understand and fix. It just takes the stomach to make it happen. And it takes time to have a large effect. But we can make some gains quickly if we actually choose to do ANYTHING.
    Cincy in what capacity are we limiting ammunition?
    Magazine capacity. 
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    This argument will go on forever unless we find a logical solution.  Which I just happen to have here.  Roll a number like bugs does here (look at his eyes, yeah, it's a doobie) and get out the drawing pad.  Peace, y'all!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF7s8bTpV-Y

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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,420
    I guess  there are some cops who aren't  too busy killing unarmed black men.....


  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    unsung said:
    Safer society?  That is really rich.  Go disarm the gangs first.  Then tell me about society being safe.
    Are those the bike gangs?  Or the 3%ers?
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    unsung said:
    Safer society?  That is really rich.  Go disarm the gangs first.  Then tell me about society being safe.

    The gang members are killing other gang members. They aren't bursting into schools or theaters or concerts and killing randoms in great numbers.

    Your previous answer said it all though: you'll live with more mass murders of the sensational variety as long as you have the freedom to caress your AR15. Happy shooting dude!

    This is the US's f**king problem: a ridiculous concept of freedom based on entitlement, selfishness and disregard for others. You guys should seriously think about splitting: put all the Cletuses in one country and let them have at each other. You could even take Trump as your leader.

    What a joke.
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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    unsung said:
    No.  No deal.  

    I will not give up Liberty for perceived safety.  

  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    unsung said:
    Safer society?  That is really rich.  Go disarm the gangs first.  Then tell me about society being safe.

    The gang members are killing other gang members. They aren't bursting into schools or theaters or concerts and killing randoms in great numbers.

    Your previous answer said it all though: you'll live with more mass murders of the sensational variety as long as you have the freedom to caress your AR15. Happy shooting dude!

    This is the US's f**king problem: a ridiculous concept of freedom based on entitlement, selfishness and disregard for others. You guys should seriously think about splitting: put all the Cletuses in one country and let them have at each other. You could even take Trump as your leader.

    What a joke.
    Innocent people get killed, not just gang bangers.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    cincybearcat said:
    unsung said:
    No.  No deal.  

    I will not give up Liberty for perceived safety.  
    Any do you equate liberty to an assault weapon? 

    You give of assualt weapons and you get to keep a hell of a lot of other personal security and hunting weapons.
    An AR is not an assault weapon.  It is not selective fire.  A bat can be an assault weapon.

    The 2nd Amendment was not written for hunting.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    unsung said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    unsung said:
    Safer society?  That is really rich.  Go disarm the gangs first.  Then tell me about society being safe.

    The gang members are killing other gang members. They aren't bursting into schools or theaters or concerts and killing randoms in great numbers.

    Your previous answer said it all though: you'll live with more mass murders of the sensational variety as long as you have the freedom to caress your AR15. Happy shooting dude!

    This is the US's f**king problem: a ridiculous concept of freedom based on entitlement, selfishness and disregard for others. You guys should seriously think about splitting: put all the Cletuses in one country and let them have at each other. You could even take Trump as your leader.

    What a joke.
    Innocent people get killed, not just gang bangers.
    I realize that.

    We will never get rid of all murders- especially in a 'have and have not' society. When the career options are Burger King or peddling dope... well... gee.

    More to the topic... the people that are typically killed in error as a result of gang violence are not the people you concern yourself with anyway, Unsung. Let's not pretend to be too concerned as we try and construct a teeny weeny argument against a tidal wave of common sense. 
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    unsung said:
    cincybearcat said:
    unsung said:
    No.  No deal.  

    I will not give up Liberty for perceived safety.  
    Any do you equate liberty to an assault weapon? 

    You give of assualt weapons and you get to keep a hell of a lot of other personal security and hunting weapons.
    An AR is not an assault weapon.  It is not selective fire.  A bat can be an assault weapon.

    The 2nd Amendment was not written for hunting.
    Right the 2nd amendment was written for when the government stopped representing the people.... hmmmmm ... 66% want action....representative do nothing... 

    What do you hunt with your AR-15? 
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Do you think this gassy man's freedom was violated on his flight?

    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/travel/news/unapologetic-farting-man-on-plane-causes-emergency-landing/ar-BBJnGvx?li=AAacUQk&ocid=spartanntp

    It's human nature to fart.

    I mean... if freedom means being able to own an AR15 with a large capacity magazine... even though we know it is the weapon of choice for madmen and is responsible for crimes unparalleled in their magnitude in this era... freedom must also mean being able to relieve yourself of a little gastrointestinal gas when the body demands such.

    Why hold it in? Why get up and go to the bathroom? Why concern yourself for others? F**k 'em. Smell my farts, assholes. And eat lead too. Freedom.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    unsung said:
    cincybearcat said:
    unsung said:
    No.  No deal.  

    I will not give up Liberty for perceived safety.  
    Any do you equate liberty to an assault weapon? 

    You give of assualt weapons and you get to keep a hell of a lot of other personal security and hunting weapons.
    An AR is not an assault weapon.  It is not selective fire.  A bat can be an assault weapon.

    The 2nd Amendment was not written for hunting.
    The second amendment was written to preserve slavery.
      
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,410
    Speaking of planes, why wasn't the solution to allow passengers to carry handguns on them or add armed security to every plane after 9/11 to stop hijackers more efficiently? Wouldn't that be about the same logic as adding more gun carrying good guys to schools or any other soft target? Instead they ramped up flight security and restricted what could be brought on board.

    If an AR-15 was named Mohammed and dressed in a thawb we would have gone to war with it and sought to ban it years ago instead of claimed there was any constitutional right to it no matter how many people were killed.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    tbergs said:
    Speaking of planes, why wasn't the solution to allow passengers to carry handguns on them or add armed security to every plane after 9/11 to stop hijackers more efficiently? Wouldn't that be about the same logic as adding more gun carrying good guys to schools or any other soft target? Instead they ramped up flight security and restricted what could be brought on board.

    If an AR-15 was named Mohammed and dressed in a thawb we would have gone to war with it and sought to ban it years ago instead of claimed there was any constitutional right to it no matter how many people were killed.
    Yup. And we will build a wall to keep our Jose....
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,213
    tbergs said:
    Speaking of planes, why wasn't the solution to allow passengers to carry handguns on them or add armed security to every plane after 9/11 to stop hijackers more efficiently? Wouldn't that be about the same logic as adding more gun carrying good guys to schools or any other soft target? Instead they ramped up flight security and restricted what could be brought on board.

    If an AR-15 was named Mohammed and dressed in a thawb we would have gone to war with it and sought to ban it years ago instead of claimed there was any constitutional right to it no matter how many people were killed.
    Just wait until there’s an incident like what occurred in Paris with an Islamist extremist or homegrown ISIS sympathizers. White guy? Nothing can be done. No big deal.
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Other can coming on to bands web site to bitch about gun control, what are any of you doing that would be useful to change gun laws?  I would think after 300 pages of the same people on opposite sides digging your heals in...


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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Meltdown99 said:
    Other can coming on to bands web site to bitch about gun control, what are any of you doing that would be useful to change gun laws?  I would think after 300 pages of the same people on opposite sides digging your heals in...


    Nothing can be done.
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  • tbergs
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    Meltdown99 said:
    Other can coming on to bands web site to bitch about gun control, what are any of you doing that would be useful to change gun laws?  I would think after 300 pages of the same people on opposite sides digging your heals in...


    Good question. I've been thinking about this a lot the past few days because I really want to be the change and I've never been more fed up with the bullshit.

    I'm going to draft letters and send them to my congress reps, my senators and anyone in the WH I can asking for change. It may do nothing, but that's not going to stop me from trying. Trump and the R's have an opportunity to truly make our country great again in a real capacity if they want and it would gain a lot of support down the middle. A unified response on this issue is what could help lessen the extreme divide our county is in right now.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    edited February 2018
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Other can coming on to bands web site to bitch about gun control, what are any of you doing that would be useful to change gun laws?  I would think after 300 pages of the same people on opposite sides digging your heals in...


    Nothing can be done.
    So you’ve given up.  Is there anti-gun lobbyist?  Or do the pro gun lobby just have way to much money behind them.
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