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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,590
    PJPOWER said:
    They also know if NO ONE is armed what so ever...


    Arming teachers is the dumbest idea in the world. Why don't we just arm the kids! Let's arm everyone! Wooooo!


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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited February 2018


    Arming teachers is the dumbest idea in the world. Why don't we just arm the kids! Let's arm everyone! Wooooo!


    AMERICA! FUCK YEAH!

    Plenty of them already armed...cannot think of any of these incidents happening in those schools...Lots of colleges actually now allow concealed carriers to exercise that right on campus.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,590
    PJPOWER said:
    Sounds like a great idea for 10-20 years down the road...
    I'll repeat this for about the FOURTH time. There was an assault weapons ban that WORKED from 1994-2004.
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  • PJPOWER said:
    What does it matter what I think, how are you going to disband the lobbying groups and politicians that control the laws you want to change?  And realistically how long would that take?  10 years, 20 years, 100 years?  Do you have any suggestion that would not take 10 years at a minimum to implement?  I, for one, will plan on sending my child to an elementary school where there is some sort of armed security to hopefully protect him if someone wanted to come in guns a blazin.  We can keep having the other debate, though, but I am currently focused on the NOW...not 10 years from now.
    Will this school also have armed guards all around the perimeter? If not, what's going to stop someone from shooting kids on the playground (happened in my state) or shooting as they are waiting on the bus or parents to pick them up? I think about this all the time with my niece. All of the kids gather in one place after school. There are measures in place for the parents/guardians to be the ones who pick them up but who's to stop someone riding up on school grounds and shooting into the crowd of kids? 
    I'm through with screaming
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited February 2018
    I'll repeat this for about the FOURTH time. There was an assault weapons ban that WORKED from 1994-2004.
    Which expired...The political landscape and technology is completely different than when Clinton implemented this. 
    It may happen, but not as easily as it did in 1994.  And to say it “worked” is not necessarily the whole truth.
    https://www.factcheck.org/2013/02/did-the-1994-assault-weapons-ban-work/



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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,590
    PJPOWER said:
    Plenty of them already armed...cannot think of any of these incidents happening in those schools...Lots of colleges actually now allow concealed carriers to exercise that right on campus.

    The world is laughing their asses off at us.

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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,590
    PJPOWER said:
    Which expired...The political landscape and technology is completely different than when Clinton implemented this. 
    It may happen, but not as easily as it did in 1994.
    The political landscape can change in ONE voting cycle. What are you not picking up here?
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    JC29856 said:
    I wanted to see how easily I could walk into a local gun show and purchase a AR15 in PA. $8 door fee and within a half hour, I had a AR15, 2 clips and 500 rounds of ammo for less than $600! I opted for a very low budget version instead of the more expensive more reputable models. There were six at the show from $429 to more than $1400.
    I filled out two separate forms and provided my ID, handed over the cash and walked out a Glorified G
    God bless America 
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,590

    And by the way---for those who claimed to be so concerned about "draining the swamp," with $31,000,000 from the NRA, Trump is up to his eye balls in the swamp.

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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    Will this school also have armed guards all around the perimeter? If not, what's going to stop someone from shooting kids on the playground (happened in my state) or shooting as they are waiting on the bus or parents to pick them up? I think about this all the time with my niece. All of the kids gather in one place after school. There are measures in place for the parents/guardians to be the ones who pick them up but who's to stop someone riding up on school grounds and shooting into the crowd of kids? 
    Yeah, that would be a difficult thing to stop.  There have also been issues with sexual predators having easy access to children on these playgrounds too.  I do know that a lot of new schools being built place the playgrounds in a central courtyard now for this very reason.  There is no way of stopping every single scenario, but can reduce the odds of a few.  The most prevalent seem to happen within the school buildings.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,590
    PJPOWER said:
    Yeah, that would be a difficult thing to stop.  There have also been issues with sexual predators having easy access to children on these playgrounds too.  I do know that a lot of new schools being built place the playgrounds in a central courtyard now for this very reason.  There is no way of stopping every single scenario, but can reduce the odds of a few.  The most prevalent seem to happen within the school buildings.

    ...perhaps we could also try to eliminate that kind of gun as well.......yah? Or nah---that's too hard for us Americans! Let's just arm everybody! Woo!
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    PJPOWER said:
    They also know if NO ONE is armed what so ever...
    Yeah. So? Having an armed guard at the Florida school didn’t help. The shooter knew exactly when and how to get in that circumvented the available security measures. 
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    edited February 2018
    Mass shootings don't just happen at schools, in case anybody hasn't noticed... but anyway 

    teams of armed guards at every school in America? Metal detectors at every entrance? Every doorway to every school secured and guarded?

    Great solution LOL... wtf is wrong with this country? It's fucking absurd

    How about when they get off the bus? Get let out for the day? The friday night football game? The Tuesday afternoon soccer practice? It's so easy to poke holes in this shirt sighted bullshit it's fucking laughable, if it wasn't so sad

    Imagine, just for a second, if America had no guns... what's that look like? Think about that for a second before you swallow down more NRA propaganda convincing you to cling to your AR-15
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 31,463
    unsung said:
    People should be asking that kids not be placed amongst the fish in a barrel.

    Or maybe you all would prefer to get on that airplane now without any security checks?

    When the next white cop shoots an unarmed black man will you be blaming the gun?

    Let me know when the outrage gets to be enough to march on some inner city streets.
    So now kids are not allowed to show their displeasure by marching or calling for marches across the country , to try to get something done about this giant fucking massacre problem we have , leave it to your or my generation to just sit on our hands and go absolutely nothing ....
    let me guess you have no kids in any schools ? 
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  • riley540riley540 Denver Colorado Posts: 1,132
    America has a way of blasting the shooters name in every outlet. They become famous. I bet there’s some crooked person in their house somewhere watching the response to this shooting, gearing up to perform their mass shooting. This day and age, I say just protect yourself. 
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    The political landscape can change in ONE voting cycle. What are you not picking up here?
    Must you be so condescending in every post?  Of course it could change in one voting cycle.  Look at the way it changed in the last.  I do not see the country becoming more bipartisan right now though, do you?  I still see hardcore republicans and hardcore democrats being bound by lobbying groups.  Again, how are you going to sway the minds of hardcore voting republicans who do not support gun control?  I guess you could try calling them deplorables and shaming them, but is that really going to work?  Maybe a trade, abortion for gun control?  I, currently, have no realistic political strategies in mind that will result in the banning of “assault weapons” over at least the next 2 years...You cannot just tell people “don’t vote for gun nuts” and see that as a failsafe strategy...or do you?

  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Guns are SO awesome!!!! Yay!!!!! I love guns!!!!!
  • riley540riley540 Denver Colorado Posts: 1,132
    I think we really need to look at why humans want to do these things. I could just as easily make a nail bomb at home as I could purchase a gun. I’m in a class right now and realized how easy it would be to commit a mass murder. 

    But I’m a normal, sane person. So I am not going to do that. 99% of gun owners are not going to commit mass murder. Since columbine, there’s been a massive upswing. It takes a super fucked up induvidual to pull the trigger. I’m not much of a gun person, only been shooting a few times and found it boring, but I just don’t see banning guns solving the current problem. 

    If AR15s are banned, I can just as easily buy a high capacity hand gun, or a normal rifle. It’s not a solution at all. 
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,590
    edited February 2018
    PJPOWER said:
    Must you be so condescending in every post?  Of course it could change in one voting cycle.  Look at the way it changed in the last.  I do not see the country becoming more bipartisan right now though, do you?  I still see hardcore republicans and hardcore democrats being bound by lobbying groups.  Again, how are you going to sway the minds of hardcore voting republicans who do not support gun control?  I guess you could try calling them deplorables and shaming them, but is that really going to work?  Maybe a trade, abortion for gun control?  I, currently, have no realistic political strategies in mind that will result in the banning of “assault weapons” over at least the next 2 years...You cannot just tell people “don’t vote for gun nuts” and see that as a failsafe strategy...or do you?

    Dude....your solution is "more guns." Which sounds more logical: voting in responsible people who realize we need more gun control....or, MORE GUNS!!? Think about your argument here. What if back in the 60's, instead of working hard and galvanizing support for the Civil Rights Act, people just threw their hands up in the air and said "Fuck this shit! This is too hard! We're never gonna convince rural, southern Americans that this makes sense---let's just not let black people vote again!"


    Obviously this isn't going to happen overnight. It starts by accepting that there is a problem and actively advocating for change like these kids in Florida are doing right now. And then enough people have to make their voices heard in voting booths. And again, gun owners who don't want to change gun laws are in the MINORITY. They are a loud and vociferous minority but they still are in the MINORITY.

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  • PJPOWER said:
    Sounds like a great idea for 10-20 years down the road...
    Correct.

    There is no short term solution, but for the Middle Valley High (or whatever school is destined for a slaughter in 10-20 years)... they'll be thrilled!
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 31,463
    PJPOWER said:
    Must you be so condescending in every post?  Of course it could change in one voting cycle.  Look at the way it changed in the last.  I do not see the country becoming more bipartisan right now though, do you?  I still see hardcore republicans and hardcore democrats being bound by lobbying groups.  Again, how are you going to sway the minds of hardcore voting republicans who do not support gun control?  I guess you could try calling them deplorables and shaming them, but is that really going to work?  Maybe a trade, abortion for gun control?  I, currently, have no realistic political strategies in mind that will result in the banning of “assault weapons” over at least the next 2 years...You cannot just tell people “don’t vote for gun nuts” and see that as a failsafe strategy...or do you?

    I’m glad the kids are organizing marches across the country at least they are Trying unlike our generations that have done zero but just keep watching the death toll rise ..
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    If more guns was the answer America would be the safest place in the world

    It's shocking how well years of propaganda works, they have people actually believing this shit. 

  • Jeez. It's almost like people forget we had an assault weapons ban from 1994 to 2004. Other than Columbine, can you think of any other mass shootings in that time frame of the top of your head? Neither can I. Now....can you think of any since that expired and can you name what most of them have in common?

    NOBODY who wants these guns banned are not ONLY looking to ban these guns and do NOTHING else.
    OF COURSE we need to change our culture. 
    OF COURSE our schools need better security.
    OF COURSE we need universal and more stringent background checks.

    But it's COMMON SENSE to also try to restrict the kinds of guns that make shootings like these easier for people.

    The rest of the world is laughing at us. Thank God for these kids...

    You use the phrase common sense.  Please explain this simple common sense idea that is going to work so well.

    Can you name any mass shootings off the top of your head before 1994?  The point you tried to make works both for you and against you.




  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,619
    my2hands said:
    If more guns was the answer America would be the safest place in the world

    It's shocking how well years of propaganda works, they have people actually believing this shit. 
    Exactly.  The "more guns" argument completely lacks any logic.  All it takes is to compare gun death (by percentage of population) in America with gun death in other countries where guns are either illegal or not prevalent.  Strange how so many people seem to have a problem with logic.
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    I would say the far right and far left are ruining this country.  But that’s a different discussion all together.
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    The political landscape can change in ONE voting cycle. What are you not picking up here?
    Yeah, it just did.
    We lost the executive, legislative, and judicial branches to a fucking orange clown and his posse.
    2018 we have a CHANCE to take back one half of the legislative branch.

    Clinton as the candidate aside, the lines are drawn on this issue, we aren't picking up millions of voters to the Dem side using this issue.  Which is fucked up, but it's reality.
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  • my2hands said:
    If more guns was the answer America would be the safest place in the world

    It's shocking how well years of propaganda works, they have people actually believing this shit. 
    Ding Ding Ding Ding

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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    I think I saw America gas 4% of the world's population, and 40% of the world's guns... seems reasonable! lol


    The sooner people realize it's NOT about the right to bear arms, it's about the right to SELL arms, this country might be able to save itself. #suckers
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    I understand that many of us are all het up on this issue, but I have to say, from my perspective, the gun control crowd is not presenting their argument well here.  I'm seeing a majority of the comments arguing against straw men and using slippery slope sloppiness.
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