America's Gun Violence

mcgruff10 · February 2018

vaggar99 said:

i will never understand how so many people are fascinated by firearms. a very solid reminder of the contrasts in our society. i've shot before and found it to be pretty boring and seemingly purposeless. the munitions pollute the soil. the act itself is unsafe. people really like these things. maybe someone can explain it?

Some people like it and other don't; you can say that for anything in this world. I don't see why it is necessary to explain why I like to shoot and even if I did how it would change anything.

mace1229 · February 2018

Thoughts_Arrive said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Good job, law enforcement, for resisting the urge to kick the shit out of this maggot:

https://twitter.com/joshcohenradio/status/963930997858471936

Why do they always look creepy?
That Sandy Hook killer looks creepy, every single school shooter looks creepy.

because they're creepy

PJPOWER · February 2018

dignin said:

Arming teachers is the dumbest thing I may have read on here. And a complete sideshow.

Is arming security personnel dumb? There is armed security at concerts, sporting events, malls, etc. I’m talking essentially about arming highly trained security personnel on campus that can respond quickly if someone tried to carry out something like this.
Keep pushing restrictions on these type of firearms all that you want, but until those restrictions take place, other measures can be implemented.

mace1229 · February 2018

PJPOWER said:

josevolution said:

I say install metal detectors or at least have security guards at all schools searching everyone entering the school ...

Hey, that would work too, but it would sure be a disruption to daily education. Imagine the long lines and tardy slips for kiddos getting to class late. Not to mention, they would all pretty much be sitting ducks in that line waiting to get through the security checkpoints.

Metal detectors could be effective against a long kid bringing a handgun to school. Unfortunately actually happens a lot more than we hear, and the good part is most of the time it is never used.
But I don't think a few beeps from a machine would stop someone heavily armed who intends on a mass murder situation.
That is why I would be fore magazine limits, a truly "fixed" magazine and background checks and other things like that too.

PJPOWER · February 2018

mace1229 said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Good job, law enforcement, for resisting the urge to kick the shit out of this maggot:

https://twitter.com/joshcohenradio/status/963930997858471936

Why do they always look creepy?
That Sandy Hook killer looks creepy, every single school shooter looks creepy.

because they're creepy

I think some of the “creepy” look may actually be a contributor. What kinds of motives are created when a child looks “creepy”? What usually happens to a “creepy” looking child throughout their years in high school? I guess that is the other side of the equation that we never can seem to overcome...bullying and tormenting of children that do not fit the norm.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · February 2018

PJPOWER said:

mace1229 said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Good job, law enforcement, for resisting the urge to kick the shit out of this maggot:

https://twitter.com/joshcohenradio/status/963930997858471936

Why do they always look creepy?
That Sandy Hook killer looks creepy, every single school shooter looks creepy.

because they're creepy

I think some of the “creepy” look may actually be a contributor. What kinds of motives are created when a child looks “creepy”? What usually happens to a “creepy” looking child throughout their years in high school?

This shitbird played the part of creep. DId you read the stuff on how everyone around him worried about him- torturing animals, thieving, threatening, and being generally creepy? A f**kwad.

Some people there is no hope for. We're a bizarre species and some of us are just designed poorly.

PJPOWER · February 2018

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

mace1229 said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Good job, law enforcement, for resisting the urge to kick the shit out of this maggot:

https://twitter.com/joshcohenradio/status/963930997858471936

Why do they always look creepy?
That Sandy Hook killer looks creepy, every single school shooter looks creepy.

because they're creepy

I think some of the “creepy” look may actually be a contributor. What kinds of motives are created when a child looks “creepy”? What usually happens to a “creepy” looking child throughout their years in high school?

This shitbird played the part of creep. DId you read the stuff on how everyone around him worried about him- torturing animals, thieving, threatening, and being generally creepy? A f**kwad.

Some people there is no hope for. We're a bizarre species and some of us are just designed poorly.

I have not, actually. Do you have a good link that talks about this? I agree, though, sociopaths are real and exist. They are the monsters in society and walk around us every day. Psychotics are not nearly as rare of a breed as we would all like to think.

mcgruff10 · February 2018

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

mace1229 said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Good job, law enforcement, for resisting the urge to kick the shit out of this maggot:

https://twitter.com/joshcohenradio/status/963930997858471936

Why do they always look creepy?
That Sandy Hook killer looks creepy, every single school shooter looks creepy.

because they're creepy

I think some of the “creepy” look may actually be a contributor. What kinds of motives are created when a child looks “creepy”? What usually happens to a “creepy” looking child throughout their years in high school?

This shitbird played the part of creep. DId you read the stuff on how everyone around him worried about him- torturing animals, thieving, threatening, and being generally creepy? A f**kwad.

Some people there is no hope for. We're a bizarre species and some of us are just designed poorly.

I have not, actually. Do you have a good link that talks about this? I agree, though, sociopaths are real and exist. They are the monsters in society and walk around us every day. Psychotics are not nearly as rare of a breed as we would all like to think.

And yet somehow he legally bought an ar....fuck

PJ_Soul · February 2018

PJPOWER said:

So most of us think that teachers should be payed higher wages, right? *Most* of us agree that security personnel in schools should be armed, right?
If you had a percentage of trained willing teachers on every campus with dual security training and getting payed well above a typical teacher pay grade while these types of firearms are available to the public, you would kind of take care of three problems all at once...
Of course that would require grants, and the deficit that no one seems to care about anymore would get even higher. I wouldn’t mind paying higher taxes for that though. Again, only while ar-15s are available to the public??

Why do you think most people want armed personnel in schools? Did you find some stats to prove that?

tbergs · February 2018

PJPOWER said:

dignin said:

Arming teachers is the dumbest thing I may have read on here. And a complete sideshow.

Is arming security personnel dumb? There is armed security at concerts, sporting events, malls, etc. I’m talking essentially about arming highly trained security personnel on campus that can respond quickly if someone tried to carry out something like this.
Keep pushing restrictions on these type of firearms all that you want, but until those restrictions take place, other measures can be implemented.

You pose a legit question, but how far are we going to push having security and at what expense? Say we start training and hiring armed security for every K-12 school in the country as a start. Conservatively, we can estimate needing at least 2 armed security at each location during the school day and also a part-time or on-call officer to cover days off (sick, vacation, etc.). Now, what should we be paying these fine people to carry a gun and protect our children if we want them to be both efficient and trained? Probably need to be at least $20.00/hr. Most recent data I could find estimated that there are 98,200 public school and another 34,600 private schools. So overall that's 132,800 schools we are talking about arming security personnel at, which doesn't even include higher education That makes 132,800 x 2.5 = 332,00 security personnel across the country at an average of $41,600/yr. for a grand total of 13.8 billion dollars just for salaries without even factoring in the cost of benefits, equipment and training.

Or we could invest that money in actually doing something to combat the problem at its source instead of applying band-aids and adding to the gun surplus in this country. Anyone here think that 14 billion isn't enough to make an impact and implement a strong gun buy back program?

Keep thinking guns are the solution to the gun problem because only in this fucked up day and age could that even make sense.

PJ_Soul · February 2018

josevolution said:

I say install metal detectors or at least have security guards at all schools searching everyone entering the school ...

I think that is a horrific idea.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · February 2018

Mace and Power...

I offered some pieces of potential legislation a few posts back. Would you be in favour of them?

HesCalledDyer · February 2018

my2hands said:

100000000% against arming teachers

More guns is NOT the answer, otherwise this problem wouldn't exist here in the first place since this country is fucking LITTERED with guns

100000000% agree. This is the excuse that really fucking makes my blood boil. "Well, if the teachers had guns." Fuck off! Anyone who wants or even says that is a fucking moron and the biggest fucking hypocrite on the planet.

You can't seem to budget enough so that schools and teachers have enough pencils, pens, printer ink, paper, & other basic supplies but suddenly you have enough money to give them all guns. Fuck off with that stupid ass thinking!!

mcgruff10 · February 2018

My district is one of the largest in the state (12 k-8 schools and 1 high school) and each one of them has police officers in them every single day. It is definitely not impossible to do. Like I said, all of your doors are locked and you need an id page to get in.

PJ_Soul · February 2018

HesCalledDyer said:

my2hands said:

100000000% against arming teachers

More guns is NOT the answer, otherwise this problem wouldn't exist here in the first place since this country is fucking LITTERED with guns

100000000% agree. This is the excuse that really fucking makes my blood boil. "Well, if the teachers had guns." Fuck off! Anyone who wants or even says that is a fucking moron and the biggest fucking hypocrite on the planet.

You can't seem to budget enough so that schools and teachers have enough pencils, pens, printer ink, paper, & other basic supplies but suddenly you have enough money to give them all guns. Fuck off with that stupid ass thinking!!

+2. It is insane to me that anyone thinks that's a reasonable solution. All it would do is make life even worse.

HesCalledDyer · February 2018

vaggar99 said:

i will never understand how so many people are fascinated by firearms. a very solid reminder of the contrasts in our society. i've shot before and found it to be pretty boring and seemingly purposeless. the munitions pollute the soil. the act itself is unsafe. people really like these things. maybe someone can explain it?

"Becuz it's muh ryte!!"

tbergs · February 2018

Say we spend the billions necessary to make every school have armed security, that still leaves every other large public place or even one of those goddamn gas station on the side of a highway that is the super stop with dozens of people there as open targets. Sure, some random do-gooder could be armed, but maybe we'll need to implement armed security there too, and then all hotel lobbies, restaurants, the zoo, a public park, fucking beaches! Hell, pay phones used to be how we easily called people when we were away from our house, maybe instead we could have gun safes with a stockpile of weapons at these places so the average citizen could put on the cape and play hero if something happens. Why stop at schools. Mandate one adult in every house to own and carry a handgun at all times. Safety first!

PJPOWER · February 2018

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Mace and Power...

I offered some pieces of potential legislation a few posts back. Would you be in favour of them?

You’re asking the wrong question. It doesn’t matter what me or mace think. The question is whether it is a realistic possibility in today’s political climate. You have lobbying groups on both sides with a LOT of money backing them that you would have to somewhat satisfy to get any legislation passed. If you wanted that type of legislation to take place, you would essentially have to first make those lobbying groups completely disappear (or at least one side)...and I do not think that is realistically going to happen any time soon.

tbergs · February 2018

Problem #1: Congrats to those paying their NRA dues. Your money at work to pay Republicans to not give a shit.

NRA membership dues skyrocketed by a staggering 62% in the year after Sandy Hook, from $108 million to $176 million. Total revenue in 2013 hit a third of a billion dollars.

As a result, the massive organization saw profits — excuse me, “surpluses” — rocket 2,750% to $57 million.

Of course, that’s before taxes. But, then, it didn’t pay any taxes, for it is a nonprofit charity.

The NRA estimates it was also helped by 150,000 volunteers. How many corporations could boast as much?

The NRA top executives shared that year in a treasure chest of more than $8 million in salary, bonuses, nontaxable benefits, deferred pay and other compensation — a nice payout for an organization that enjoys charitable exemption from U.S. taxes. LaPierre alone made a million bucks a year, which is, ironically, equal to about $100 for every man, woman and child murdered with a gun in America.

PJPOWER · February 2018

tbergs said:

Say we spend the billions necessary to make every school have armed security, that still leaves every other large public place or even one of those goddamn gas station on the side of a highway that is the super stop with dozens of people there as open targets. Sure, some random do-gooder could be armed, but maybe we'll need to implement armed security there too, and then all hotel lobbies, restaurants, the zoo, a public park, fucking beaches! Hell, pay phones used to be how we easily called people when we were away from our house, maybe instead we could have gun safes with a stockpile of weapons at these places so the average citizen could put on the cape and play hero if something happens. Why stop at schools. Mandate one adult in every house to own and carry a handgun at all times. Safety first!

This seems like a bit of an exaggeration...My first and foremost concern is keeping our children safe while they are in school. Private entities and households can make their own decisions as to proper safety protocols that fit their specific needs.

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