America's Gun Violence

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  • RYMERYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    edited February 2018
    What would that look like? Meeting the anti-gun crowd half way?
     
    I don't know.  I don't think there is a perfect solution.
    I know that snipping at those you (I don't mean you specifically Halifax) snipping at those we disagree with, doesn't do a damn thing to reduce gun violence.
    1.  I'd be in favor of laws that might make it harder to get guns & ammunition in the first place.  Ya know, I can go into a Walmart & buy bullets off the shelf.  If bullets were behind lock and key and I had to show an ID in order to purchase bullets I'd be okay with that.  Maybe run a background check on anyone who's buying guns or ammunition.
     So they would be checking people without penalizing law abiding citizens.
    I would gladly put up with that inconvenience if it would help make ammo harder for the bad guys to get.  But I recognize if there's a common law abiding citizen who decides to snap all of a sudden, this idea wouldn't do any good. 
    2.  Education program to help the public or teachers better identify a troubled individual.  We probably never will be able to identify all problematic people.  But at least be able to blow a whistle if someone thinks someone is going down a bad path.  Try to get that person help before its to late.
    3.  Harsher penalties for crimes,
    Carjacking has become a huge problem, epidemic in Milwaukee.  
    People get violently forced out of their own car, sometimes at gunpoint & no jail time till the 3rd offense.  3rd offense really??  And when there is jail time, it's very short, the perpetrators are back on the street in a few weeks so they can do it again.
    It's unbelievable how tolerant and compassionate Society is to the crooks.
    In Milwaukee, the carjackers don't see any jail time until their 3rd offence.
    There's no magic pill, but I think society has got to crack down on crimes like that.  (50 years no parole on 1st offence)
    Then at least that person won't be causing any trouble for at least 50 years.






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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,849
    “Tough on crime” and all it implies, including diverting vast resources into the prison system, has been tried extensively in your country and doesn’t work. 
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  • jnimhaoileoinjnimhaoileoin Baile Átha Cliath Posts: 2,682
    Just watched Active Shooter: America Under Fire (this episode dealing with the Aurora massacre). Absolutely horrific viewing
  • Just watched Active Shooter: America Under Fire (this episode dealing with the Aurora massacre). Absolutely horrific viewing

    I saw that. Nuts, eh?
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,649
    dudeman said:
    Do you have any relevant statistics concerning the use of armor piercing or tracer ammo in the commission of violent crimes?


    I have lots of statistics of guns being used, rather talk limiting them? Didn’t think so. Funny when statistics matter and when they don’t.

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  • I have lots of statistics of guns being used, rather talk limiting them? Didn’t think so. Funny when statistics matter and when they don’t.


    Lol

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  • dudemandudeman Posts: 3,132
    I have lots of statistics of guns being used, rather talk limiting them? Didn’t think so. Funny when statistics matter and when they don’t.

    Sure, let's talk. Statistics can always be useful. 67% of people know that.

    Want to talk about limiting the availability of handguns to criminals? I'd love to hear your thoughts. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,763
    i'm not sure why there is some moral difference between a pro-gunner laughing at an idiot shooting himself in the face and an anti-gunner laughing at the same thing. i operate machinery responsibly but i'm allowed to laugh at those Darwin award winners (just as much as anyone who chooses not to operate said machinery) who do so irresponsibly and fuck themselves up as a result. 

    didn't you all laugh at cheney when he shot his friend while hunting? where was your sympathy and moral outrage then?
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  • dudemandudeman Posts: 3,132
    I always assumed it was never funny when anyone got shot.
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  • RYME said:
    I don't know.  I don't think there is a perfect solution.
    I know that snipping at those you (I don't mean you specifically Halifax) snipping at those we disagree with, doesn't do a damn thing to reduce gun violence.
    1.  I'd be in favor of laws that might make it harder to get guns & ammunition in the first place.  Ya know, I can go into a Walmart & buy bullets off the shelf.  If bullets were behind lock and key and I had to show an ID in order to purchase bullets I'd be okay with that.  Maybe run a background check on anyone who's buying guns or ammunition.
     So they would be checking people without penalizing law abiding citizens.
    I would gladly put up with that inconvenience if it would help make ammo harder for the bad guys to get.  But I recognize if there's a common law abiding citizen who decides to snap all of a sudden, this idea wouldn't do any good. 
    2.  Education program to help the public or teachers better identify a troubled individual.  We probably never will be able to identify all problematic people.  But at least be able to blow a whistle if someone thinks someone is going down a bad path.  Try to get that person help before its to late.
    3.  Harsher penalties for crimes,
    Carjacking has become a huge problem, epidemic in Milwaukee.  
    People get violently forced out of their own car, sometimes at gunpoint & no jail time till the 3rd offense.  3rd offense really??  And when there is jail time, it's very short, the perpetrators are back on the street in a few weeks so they can do it again.
    It's unbelievable how tolerant and compassionate Society is to the crooks.
    In Milwaukee, the carjackers don't see any jail time until their 3rd offence.
    There's no magic pill, but I think society has got to crack down on crimes like that.  (50 years no parole on 1st offence)
    Then at least that person won't be causing any trouble for at least 50 years.






    Regarding point number 3 and car jacking, it appears there are already laws inclusive of jail time on the books and the state legislature had been working on toughening them.

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  • dudeman said:
    Sure, let's talk. Statistics can always be useful. 67% of people know that.

    Want to talk about limiting the availability of handguns to criminals? I'd love to hear your thoughts. 
    The other 33% is Team Trump Treason’s base.
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  • dudemandudeman Posts: 3,132
    I wouldn't know. Not my scene.
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  • RYMERYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    Time out,
    I don't think we are going to solve the world's problems today.
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    dudeman said:
    I always assumed it was never funny when anyone got shot.
    Agreed.
    It says a good bit about the character of someone who thinks it's funny when someone gets shot in the face.  
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    edited February 2018
    PJPOWER said:
    Meh, you are just being a snowflake.  I find Darwin nominees funny.
    That is fucked up. 
    A woman gets shot in the face and you think it's funny?
    Of course, she has different opinions than you do, so it's fair game I guess?
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  • RYMERYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    RYME said:
    Time out,
    I don't think we are going to solve the world's problems today.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,763
    rgambs said:
    Agreed.
    It says a good bit about the character of someone who thinks it's funny when someone gets shot in the face.  
    i just did a search for 'cheney hunting'. you should too. many people, mostly left leaning on this forum, thought it was fucking hilarious and continued to use it as a talking point about who they thought should go hunting with him next, among other things. 
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  • RYMERYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    edited February 2018
    There's no excuse for what Cheney did accidentally.  But the reason he didn't kill his buddy accidentally is because it was a shotgun at a distance.
    Once in 98, my dad & I were hunting pheasants, & there was a hunting group adjacent to us, a pheasant jumped up in front of that group and was flying straight towards us.  My dad and I both ducked.
    We (my dad & I didn't shoot at it because it was flying away from that other group towards us, to shoot at it would mean we are shooting at that other group of people).  They didn't extend that same courtesy.  50 yards away 2 guys pulled the trigger, missed the bird, but peppered us.  I felt the BBs hit the back side of my jacket.  I said nothing,  but my Dad tossed a few cuss words at them,
    (The Marine Corps veteran that he is) and we moved on.
    But a shotgun at close range is potentially far more devastating than a handgun or a rifle because it's a shot pattern but looses power quickly.  Close up it's 100+ skin pearcing holes & no chance of survival, 1 bullet in the wrong place does the same thing, but a bullet has a better chance of missing a fatal blow.  I don't know where I'm going with this,  I guess it's time to watch the Superbowl.
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    Modern bird hunting is just ridiculous from top to bottom.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,827
    rgambs said:
    Modern bird hunting is just ridiculous from top to bottom.
    How so bud? My dad and I hunt together with a Brittany spaniel.  Two birds a day per person. I have a 20 gauge pump and my dad uses a side by side 12 gauge. 
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  • RYMERYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    edited February 2018
    mcgruff10 said:
    How so bud? My dad and I hunt together with a Brittany spaniel.  Two birds a day per person. I have a 20 gauge pump and my dad uses a side by side 12 gauge. 

    Ridiculous to those who don't know Jack Shit about what they're talking about.   
    We like Labradors. B). Labradors flush, & Brittanys point.  Both are amazing to watch.
    Some here, don't know what we're talking about when they say "Modern bird hunting is ridiculous."
    Maby a wood fire to keep warm is outdated to.
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,849
    RYME said:
    Pretty darn arrogant to say that those who disagree with you don’t know jack shit. 
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,827
    Pretty darn arrogant to say that those who disagree with you don’t know jack shit. 
    So tell me about your bird hunting experiences. What gun do you use? Bird dog or just go out with fellow humans and drive/flush? Favorite recipe?  Grouse? Pheasant? Quail?
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    Disagreeing with you doesn't mean I "don't know jack shit" RYME.

    Shooting sitting ducks is fucked up, shooting birds on the wing isn't very safe. 
    Eating wild game birds sounds like fun, until you do it.  Stringy, gamey, and biting into birdshot is not the minor inconvenience bird hunters want to pretend it is.
    Buying farmed pheasants, starving them without food and water for a few days, and then spinning them around to disorient them and keep them close has become the norm in most of the country where pheasant and grouse aren't abundant enough.
    Generally, hunting dogs aren't acceptable pets and pets aren't good hunting dogs.  That's all fine except that all the bird and rabbit dogs I know of live in kennels and only get attention on the hunt.
    Turkey hunting is ok by me, it takes serious patience and skill.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,827
    rgambs said:
    Disagreeing with you doesn't mean I "don't know jack shit" RYME.

    Shooting sitting ducks is fucked up, shooting birds on the wing isn't very safe. 
    Eating wild game birds sounds like fun, until you do it.  Stringy, gamey, and biting into birdshot is not the minor inconvenience bird hunters want to pretend it is.
    Buying farmed pheasants, starving them without food and water for a few days, and then spinning them around to disorient them and keep them close has become the norm in most of the country where pheasant and grouse aren't abundant enough.
    Generally, hunting dogs aren't acceptable pets and pets aren't good hunting dogs.  That's all fine except that all the bird and rabbit dogs I know of live in kennels and only get attention on the hunt.
    Turkey hunting is ok by me, it takes serious patience and skill.
    I have no clue how shooting ducks is fucked up. To me that is some of the hardest bird hunting as shots can be straight at you or waaay up high. Your explanation of pheasant hunting is  to me hunting “preserves” when you pay to hunt. This is not the case when hunting in a wildlife management area. 
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,849
    edited February 2018
    mcgruff10 said:
    So tell me about your bird hunting experiences. What gun do you use? Bird dog or just go out with fellow humans and drive/flush? Favorite recipe?  Grouse? Pheasant? Quail?
    I’m not claiming to know anything about bird hunting, am I?  But I think anyone paying attention on here knows that rgambs knows a thing or two about living in the country, so probably best not to assume he knows jack shit. 
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,827
    edited February 2018
    I’m not claiming to know anything about bird hunting, am I?  But I think anyone paying attention on here knows that rgambs knows a thing or two about living in the country, so probably best not to assume he knows jack shit. 
    Ok so you admit not knowing anything about bird hunting. Got ya. It was just a very odd statement claiming that people living in the country know something about bird hunting.

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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,849
    mcgruff10 said:
    Ok so you admit not knowing anything about bird hunting. Got ya. It was just a very odd statement. 

    To me, yours is an odd statement. I’m commenting on ryme’s comment to rgambs. Not sure why my own knowledge on bird hunting affects that. 
     
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,827
    To me, yours is an odd statement. I’m commenting on ryme’s comment to rgambs. Not sure why my own knowledge on bird hunting affects that. 
     
    which was about bird hunting which you admittedly know nothing about.  am I missing something?
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    mcgruff10 said:
    I have no clue how shooting ducks is fucked up. To me that is some of the hardest bird hunting as shots can be straight at you or waaay up high. Your explanation of pheasant hunting is  to me hunting “preserves” when you pay to hunt. This is not the case when hunting in a wildlife management area. 
    Shooting sitting ducks is fucked up and shooting them on the wing is dangerous is what I thought I said.
    Not just paid hunts, people buy the birds from the "preserves" and hunt them on their own land.  Very common in the Great Lakes region at least.
    People still hunt with ethical practices, I'm not saying they don't, but it's truly a sport hunt more than a sustenance hunt.  Most people only eat the breast anyways!
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