America's Gun Violence

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

mace1229 said:

I really don't know why you insist on calling me on items that make sense to even a 3-year old. I guess that is what gets you up in the morning, I'm glad I can help. You've argued with me even on the rare occasions I said you were right, you came back and debated that. It is really amusing.
It really is my own fault in expecting everyone to participate in a respectful conversation, adult. I know, I should have learn not to expect so much by now, but that is my fault
I'll try one more time to explain the rationale. 
I asked for clarification because I wanted to know more about the topic being discused. I actually cared, I didn't want to just insult people, but wanted to engage in a real conversation and learn from it.  I wanted to know if there had been 11 school whootings, why none have been major news.
After reading that article it is clear why. Most, yes, would be a school shooting under any definition. SHootng out school windows is horrible, I have never said otherwise. But I can see why that did not make national news, so that is why I'm not surprised we have not heard of them. Does not make it okay, does not mean I swept it under the rug.

I'm sorry if you can;t put together the logic to see the flaw in counting a grown man's suicide on a piece of property that is not a school, but since it was a school years ago go ahead and count it as a school shooting anyway. I think the media and anyone else inflating data for their argument does not help. There is plenty of data that is horrific enough about school and gun violence, no need to make up new data. The 7 or 8 that I think everyone would agree with is a school shooting is staggering enough, why the need to count a grown man's suicide on a closed school. It's not a functional school at that point. Are we going to count any person who ever went to school at some point in their life as a student involved shooting too?

I have no issue with that article. There has not been talks on gun control.  I don;t know why you think I would have an issue with it.

You are asking too much if you expect to carry on a respectable conversation with some of the AMT addicts these days, lol.  A couple (not to mention names) will start responding to and quoting themselves if you wait long enough...It’s kinda pitiful...pathetic even.  Don’t get too frustrated.  I am reminded of the saying “They would argue with a fence post”.  
As for gun violence, the issue has taken a back seat for me.  Things like the new fentenol/heroin epidemic and gang culture in some of the “shithole” cities like Chicago and Baltimore are of more concern to me these days.

So what are you doing to try to improve those situations?

What situations are you referring to?

PJPOWER said:

rgambs said:

PJPOWER said:

mace1229 said:

I really don't know why you insist on calling me on items that make sense to even a 3-year old. I guess that is what gets you up in the morning, I'm glad I can help. You've argued with me even on the rare occasions I said you were right, you came back and debated that. It is really amusing.
It really is my own fault in expecting everyone to participate in a respectful conversation, adult. I know, I should have learn not to expect so much by now, but that is my fault
I'll try one more time to explain the rationale. 
I asked for clarification because I wanted to know more about the topic being discused. I actually cared, I didn't want to just insult people, but wanted to engage in a real conversation and learn from it.  I wanted to know if there had been 11 school whootings, why none have been major news.
After reading that article it is clear why. Most, yes, would be a school shooting under any definition. SHootng out school windows is horrible, I have never said otherwise. But I can see why that did not make national news, so that is why I'm not surprised we have not heard of them. Does not make it okay, does not mean I swept it under the rug.

I'm sorry if you can;t put together the logic to see the flaw in counting a grown man's suicide on a piece of property that is not a school, but since it was a school years ago go ahead and count it as a school shooting anyway. I think the media and anyone else inflating data for their argument does not help. There is plenty of data that is horrific enough about school and gun violence, no need to make up new data. The 7 or 8 that I think everyone would agree with is a school shooting is staggering enough, why the need to count a grown man's suicide on a closed school. It's not a functional school at that point. Are we going to count any person who ever went to school at some point in their life as a student involved shooting too?

I have no issue with that article. There has not been talks on gun control.  I don;t know why you think I would have an issue with it.

You are asking too much if you expect to carry on a respectable conversation with some of the AMT addicts these days, lol.  A couple (not to mention names) will start responding to and quoting themselves if you wait long enough...It’s kinda pitiful...pathetic even.  Don’t get too frustrated.  I am reminded of the saying “They would argue with a fence post”.  
As for gun violence, the issue has taken a back seat for me.  Things like the new fentenol/heroin epidemic and gang culture in some of the “shithole” cities like Chicago and Baltimore are of more concern to me these days.

It definitely is easier to face problems with which you aren't complicit! 
No doubt about that.

I don’t know if it is complicity or cynicism actually.  I have yet to see anyone here suggest tenable solutions based on research that would reduce gun violence as a whole in the US.  It would take something totally different than the approach other countries have taken, but all I hear is “Australia did it”.  Just a bunch of hot air and steam getting released here these days.  I do not blame people for not wanting to dive into that well.
You can dream of a gunless utopia all you want, meanwhile the largest firearms show in the country is taking place within walking distance from the worst mass shooting in recent history.  Seems like it would actually be easier to move to Australia than expect elected representatives to actually make meaningful changes.  So yeah, that’s why I stay out of these POINTLESS discussions for the most part these days.   

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

mace1229 said:

I really don't know why you insist on calling me on items that make sense to even a 3-year old. I guess that is what gets you up in the morning, I'm glad I can help. You've argued with me even on the rare occasions I said you were right, you came back and debated that. It is really amusing.
It really is my own fault in expecting everyone to participate in a respectful conversation, adult. I know, I should have learn not to expect so much by now, but that is my fault
I'll try one more time to explain the rationale. 
I asked for clarification because I wanted to know more about the topic being discused. I actually cared, I didn't want to just insult people, but wanted to engage in a real conversation and learn from it.  I wanted to know if there had been 11 school whootings, why none have been major news.
After reading that article it is clear why. Most, yes, would be a school shooting under any definition. SHootng out school windows is horrible, I have never said otherwise. But I can see why that did not make national news, so that is why I'm not surprised we have not heard of them. Does not make it okay, does not mean I swept it under the rug.

I'm sorry if you can;t put together the logic to see the flaw in counting a grown man's suicide on a piece of property that is not a school, but since it was a school years ago go ahead and count it as a school shooting anyway. I think the media and anyone else inflating data for their argument does not help. There is plenty of data that is horrific enough about school and gun violence, no need to make up new data. The 7 or 8 that I think everyone would agree with is a school shooting is staggering enough, why the need to count a grown man's suicide on a closed school. It's not a functional school at that point. Are we going to count any person who ever went to school at some point in their life as a student involved shooting too?

I have no issue with that article. There has not been talks on gun control.  I don;t know why you think I would have an issue with it.

You are asking too much if you expect to carry on a respectable conversation with some of the AMT addicts these days, lol.  A couple (not to mention names) will start responding to and quoting themselves if you wait long enough...It’s kinda pitiful...pathetic even.  Don’t get too frustrated.  I am reminded of the saying “They would argue with a fence post”.  
As for gun violence, the issue has taken a back seat for me.  Things like the new fentenol/heroin epidemic and gang culture in some of the “shithole” cities like Chicago and Baltimore are of more concern to me these days.

So what are you doing to try to improve those situations?

What situations are you referring to?

The ones you say are of more concern to you - fentanyl and "gang culture".

I have counseled numerous kids on how to not get caught up and how to get out of gangs and encourage parents to utilize free after school programs in my city.  There is not a whole lot I can do for Baltimore or Chicago, though, those places are shitholes.  I do not know what can be done there to turn things around.  Gang culture in and of itself can be an addiction and there is a heavy gang culture in those places.  It would take military interventions to clean up some of those cities and I do not support that, so I am a bit at a loss...that’s why I’m concerned.

PJPOWER said:

rgambs said:

PJPOWER said:

mace1229 said:

I really don't know why you insist on calling me on items that make sense to even a 3-year old. I guess that is what gets you up in the morning, I'm glad I can help. You've argued with me even on the rare occasions I said you were right, you came back and debated that. It is really amusing.
It really is my own fault in expecting everyone to participate in a respectful conversation, adult. I know, I should have learn not to expect so much by now, but that is my fault
I'll try one more time to explain the rationale. 
I asked for clarification because I wanted to know more about the topic being discused. I actually cared, I didn't want to just insult people, but wanted to engage in a real conversation and learn from it.  I wanted to know if there had been 11 school whootings, why none have been major news.
After reading that article it is clear why. Most, yes, would be a school shooting under any definition. SHootng out school windows is horrible, I have never said otherwise. But I can see why that did not make national news, so that is why I'm not surprised we have not heard of them. Does not make it okay, does not mean I swept it under the rug.

I'm sorry if you can;t put together the logic to see the flaw in counting a grown man's suicide on a piece of property that is not a school, but since it was a school years ago go ahead and count it as a school shooting anyway. I think the media and anyone else inflating data for their argument does not help. There is plenty of data that is horrific enough about school and gun violence, no need to make up new data. The 7 or 8 that I think everyone would agree with is a school shooting is staggering enough, why the need to count a grown man's suicide on a closed school. It's not a functional school at that point. Are we going to count any person who ever went to school at some point in their life as a student involved shooting too?

I have no issue with that article. There has not been talks on gun control.  I don;t know why you think I would have an issue with it.

You are asking too much if you expect to carry on a respectable conversation with some of the AMT addicts these days, lol.  A couple (not to mention names) will start responding to and quoting themselves if you wait long enough...It’s kinda pitiful...pathetic even.  Don’t get too frustrated.  I am reminded of the saying “They would argue with a fence post”.  
As for gun violence, the issue has taken a back seat for me.  Things like the new fentenol/heroin epidemic and gang culture in some of the “shithole” cities like Chicago and Baltimore are of more concern to me these days.

It definitely is easier to face problems with which you aren't complicit! 
No doubt about that.

I don’t know if it is complicity or cynicism actually.  I have yet to see anyone here suggest tenable solutions based on research that would reduce gun violence as a whole in the US.  It would take something totally different than the approach other countries have taken, but all I hear is “Australia did it”.  Just a bunch of hot air and steam getting released here these days.  I do not blame people for not wanting to dive into that well.
You can dream of a gunless utopia all you want, meanwhile the largest firearms show in the country is taking place within walking distance from the worst mass shooting in recent history.  Seems like it would actually be easier to move to Australia than expect elected representatives to actually make meaningful changes.  So yeah, that’s why I stay out of these POINTLESS discussions for the most part these days.   

rgambs said:

PJPOWER said:

rgambs said:

PJPOWER said:

mace1229 said:

I really don't know why you insist on calling me on items that make sense to even a 3-year old. I guess that is what gets you up in the morning, I'm glad I can help. You've argued with me even on the rare occasions I said you were right, you came back and debated that. It is really amusing.
It really is my own fault in expecting everyone to participate in a respectful conversation, adult. I know, I should have learn not to expect so much by now, but that is my fault
I'll try one more time to explain the rationale. 
I asked for clarification because I wanted to know more about the topic being discused. I actually cared, I didn't want to just insult people, but wanted to engage in a real conversation and learn from it.  I wanted to know if there had been 11 school whootings, why none have been major news.
After reading that article it is clear why. Most, yes, would be a school shooting under any definition. SHootng out school windows is horrible, I have never said otherwise. But I can see why that did not make national news, so that is why I'm not surprised we have not heard of them. Does not make it okay, does not mean I swept it under the rug.

I'm sorry if you can;t put together the logic to see the flaw in counting a grown man's suicide on a piece of property that is not a school, but since it was a school years ago go ahead and count it as a school shooting anyway. I think the media and anyone else inflating data for their argument does not help. There is plenty of data that is horrific enough about school and gun violence, no need to make up new data. The 7 or 8 that I think everyone would agree with is a school shooting is staggering enough, why the need to count a grown man's suicide on a closed school. It's not a functional school at that point. Are we going to count any person who ever went to school at some point in their life as a student involved shooting too?

I have no issue with that article. There has not been talks on gun control.  I don;t know why you think I would have an issue with it.

You are asking too much if you expect to carry on a respectable conversation with some of the AMT addicts these days, lol.  A couple (not to mention names) will start responding to and quoting themselves if you wait long enough...It’s kinda pitiful...pathetic even.  Don’t get too frustrated.  I am reminded of the saying “They would argue with a fence post”.  
As for gun violence, the issue has taken a back seat for me.  Things like the new fentenol/heroin epidemic and gang culture in some of the “shithole” cities like Chicago and Baltimore are of more concern to me these days.

It definitely is easier to face problems with which you aren't complicit! 
No doubt about that.

I don’t know if it is complicity or cynicism actually.  I have yet to see anyone here suggest tenable solutions based on research that would reduce gun violence as a whole in the US.  It would take something totally different than the approach other countries have taken, but all I hear is “Australia did it”.  Just a bunch of hot air and steam getting released here these days.  I do not blame people for not wanting to dive into that well.
You can dream of a gunless utopia all you want, meanwhile the largest firearms show in the country is taking place within walking distance from the worst mass shooting in recent history.  Seems like it would actually be easier to move to Australia than expect elected representatives to actually make meaningful changes.  So yeah, that’s why I stay out of these POINTLESS discussions for the most part these days.   

The only thing that makes solutions untenable is your insistence in total unfettered access to firearms.
A complete firearm registry would have a huge impact on the flow of firearms to inner city gangs, that is a tenable solution based on common sense and proven research.
Shut off the iron pipeline by ending unregistered sales, period.  
Simple, inarguably effective, and does not infringe on law abiding citizen's right to bear arms.

PJPOWER said:

rgambs said:

PJPOWER said:

rgambs said:

PJPOWER said:

mace1229 said:

I really don't know why you insist on calling me on items that make sense to even a 3-year old. I guess that is what gets you up in the morning, I'm glad I can help. You've argued with me even on the rare occasions I said you were right, you came back and debated that. It is really amusing.
It really is my own fault in expecting everyone to participate in a respectful conversation, adult. I know, I should have learn not to expect so much by now, but that is my fault
I'll try one more time to explain the rationale. 
I asked for clarification because I wanted to know more about the topic being discused. I actually cared, I didn't want to just insult people, but wanted to engage in a real conversation and learn from it.  I wanted to know if there had been 11 school whootings, why none have been major news.
After reading that article it is clear why. Most, yes, would be a school shooting under any definition. SHootng out school windows is horrible, I have never said otherwise. But I can see why that did not make national news, so that is why I'm not surprised we have not heard of them. Does not make it okay, does not mean I swept it under the rug.

I'm sorry if you can;t put together the logic to see the flaw in counting a grown man's suicide on a piece of property that is not a school, but since it was a school years ago go ahead and count it as a school shooting anyway. I think the media and anyone else inflating data for their argument does not help. There is plenty of data that is horrific enough about school and gun violence, no need to make up new data. The 7 or 8 that I think everyone would agree with is a school shooting is staggering enough, why the need to count a grown man's suicide on a closed school. It's not a functional school at that point. Are we going to count any person who ever went to school at some point in their life as a student involved shooting too?

I have no issue with that article. There has not been talks on gun control.  I don;t know why you think I would have an issue with it.

You are asking too much if you expect to carry on a respectable conversation with some of the AMT addicts these days, lol.  A couple (not to mention names) will start responding to and quoting themselves if you wait long enough...It’s kinda pitiful...pathetic even.  Don’t get too frustrated.  I am reminded of the saying “They would argue with a fence post”.  
As for gun violence, the issue has taken a back seat for me.  Things like the new fentenol/heroin epidemic and gang culture in some of the “shithole” cities like Chicago and Baltimore are of more concern to me these days.

It definitely is easier to face problems with which you aren't complicit! 
No doubt about that.

I don’t know if it is complicity or cynicism actually.  I have yet to see anyone here suggest tenable solutions based on research that would reduce gun violence as a whole in the US.  It would take something totally different than the approach other countries have taken, but all I hear is “Australia did it”.  Just a bunch of hot air and steam getting released here these days.  I do not blame people for not wanting to dive into that well.
You can dream of a gunless utopia all you want, meanwhile the largest firearms show in the country is taking place within walking distance from the worst mass shooting in recent history.  Seems like it would actually be easier to move to Australia than expect elected representatives to actually make meaningful changes.  So yeah, that’s why I stay out of these POINTLESS discussions for the most part these days.   

The only thing that makes solutions untenable is your insistence in total unfettered access to firearms.
A complete firearm registry would have a huge impact on the flow of firearms to inner city gangs, that is a tenable solution based on common sense and proven research.
Shut off the iron pipeline by ending unregistered sales, period.  
Simple, inarguably effective, and does not infringe on law abiding citizen's right to bear arms.

Proven research?  That’s all grand until they make the firearm untraceable to the previous “registered” owner.  Ever heard of something called a nail file?  How about a dremmel tool?  Most people I know would report a stolen firearm, but those that make a living running guns to the highest bidder is probably not above scratching off a serial number or two...or swapping out a barrel.  Hey, I’m for it, but even the laziest dropout could make a firearm untracked to the original buyer given the motivation.  Hardly a “solution”...

PJPOWER said:

CM189191 said:

PJPOWER said:

Bentleyspop said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

mace1229 said:

I really don't know why you insist on calling me on items that make sense to even a 3-year old. I guess that is what gets you up in the morning, I'm glad I can help. You've argued with me even on the rare occasions I said you were right, you came back and debated that. It is really amusing.
It really is my own fault in expecting everyone to participate in a respectful conversation, adult. I know, I should have learn not to expect so much by now, but that is my fault
I'll try one more time to explain the rationale. 
I asked for clarification because I wanted to know more about the topic being discused. I actually cared, I didn't want to just insult people, but wanted to engage in a real conversation and learn from it.  I wanted to know if there had been 11 school whootings, why none have been major news.
After reading that article it is clear why. Most, yes, would be a school shooting under any definition. SHootng out school windows is horrible, I have never said otherwise. But I can see why that did not make national news, so that is why I'm not surprised we have not heard of them. Does not make it okay, does not mean I swept it under the rug.

I'm sorry if you can;t put together the logic to see the flaw in counting a grown man's suicide on a piece of property that is not a school, but since it was a school years ago go ahead and count it as a school shooting anyway. I think the media and anyone else inflating data for their argument does not help. There is plenty of data that is horrific enough about school and gun violence, no need to make up new data. The 7 or 8 that I think everyone would agree with is a school shooting is staggering enough, why the need to count a grown man's suicide on a closed school. It's not a functional school at that point. Are we going to count any person who ever went to school at some point in their life as a student involved shooting too?

I have no issue with that article. There has not been talks on gun control.  I don;t know why you think I would have an issue with it.

You are asking too much if you expect to carry on a respectable conversation with some of the AMT addicts these days, lol.  A couple (not to mention names) will start responding to and quoting themselves if you wait long enough...It’s kinda pitiful...pathetic even.  Don’t get too frustrated.  I am reminded of the saying “They would argue with a fence post”.  
As for gun violence, the issue has taken a back seat for me.  Things like the new fentenol/heroin epidemic and gang culture in some of the “shithole” cities like Chicago and Baltimore are of more concern to me these days.

So what are you doing to try to improve those situations?

What situations are you referring to?

The ones you say are of more concern to you - fentanyl and "gang culture".

I have counseled numerous kids on how to not get caught up and how to get out of gangs and encourage parents to utilize free after school programs in my city.  There is not a whole lot I can do for Baltimore or Chicago, though, those places are shitholes.  I do not know what can be done there to turn things around.  Gang culture in and of itself can be an addiction and there is a heavy gang culture in those places.  It would take military interventions to clean up some of those cities and I do not support that, so I am a bit at a loss...that’s why I’m concerned.

As a former, and very proud, former resident of Baltimore City I can tell you unequivocally that you are wrong when it comes to Baltimore. There are many awesome parts of that city with great people. And NO I'm not referring at all to the tourist trap that is the Inner Harbor.
As for Chicago I have been there multiple times, sometimes I went had nothing to do with PJ, and it too is a city with great neighborhoods and awesome people.
If given the reason and opportunity I would happily live in either city.

To each their own I suppose.  If you are complicit with the heroin/gang culture in those cities, then who am I to argue.

Yes, Chicago is a terrible city.  Please stay away.  You also clearly have no idea what you're talking about. 

So Chicago does not have a gang/murder/drug problem?  Probably not in your neighborhood, right?  I’ve visited Chicago and had fun, ate pizza, went to a Cubs game, had my hot dog with way too much shit on it...Don’t think I’ll move there any time soon.

Bentleyspop said:

PJPOWER said:

Bentleyspop said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

mace1229 said:

I really don't know why you insist on calling me on items that make sense to even a 3-year old. I guess that is what gets you up in the morning, I'm glad I can help. You've argued with me even on the rare occasions I said you were right, you came back and debated that. It is really amusing.
It really is my own fault in expecting everyone to participate in a respectful conversation, adult. I know, I should have learn not to expect so much by now, but that is my fault
I'll try one more time to explain the rationale. 
I asked for clarification because I wanted to know more about the topic being discused. I actually cared, I didn't want to just insult people, but wanted to engage in a real conversation and learn from it.  I wanted to know if there had been 11 school whootings, why none have been major news.
After reading that article it is clear why. Most, yes, would be a school shooting under any definition. SHootng out school windows is horrible, I have never said otherwise. But I can see why that did not make national news, so that is why I'm not surprised we have not heard of them. Does not make it okay, does not mean I swept it under the rug.

I'm sorry if you can;t put together the logic to see the flaw in counting a grown man's suicide on a piece of property that is not a school, but since it was a school years ago go ahead and count it as a school shooting anyway. I think the media and anyone else inflating data for their argument does not help. There is plenty of data that is horrific enough about school and gun violence, no need to make up new data. The 7 or 8 that I think everyone would agree with is a school shooting is staggering enough, why the need to count a grown man's suicide on a closed school. It's not a functional school at that point. Are we going to count any person who ever went to school at some point in their life as a student involved shooting too?

I have no issue with that article. There has not been talks on gun control.  I don;t know why you think I would have an issue with it.

You are asking too much if you expect to carry on a respectable conversation with some of the AMT addicts these days, lol.  A couple (not to mention names) will start responding to and quoting themselves if you wait long enough...It’s kinda pitiful...pathetic even.  Don’t get too frustrated.  I am reminded of the saying “They would argue with a fence post”.  
As for gun violence, the issue has taken a back seat for me.  Things like the new fentenol/heroin epidemic and gang culture in some of the “shithole” cities like Chicago and Baltimore are of more concern to me these days.

So what are you doing to try to improve those situations?

What situations are you referring to?

The ones you say are of more concern to you - fentanyl and "gang culture".

I have counseled numerous kids on how to not get caught up and how to get out of gangs and encourage parents to utilize free after school programs in my city.  There is not a whole lot I can do for Baltimore or Chicago, though, those places are shitholes.  I do not know what can be done there to turn things around.  Gang culture in and of itself can be an addiction and there is a heavy gang culture in those places.  It would take military interventions to clean up some of those cities and I do not support that, so I am a bit at a loss...that’s why I’m concerned.

As a former, and very proud, former resident of Baltimore City I can tell you unequivocally that you are wrong when it comes to Baltimore. There are many awesome parts of that city with great people. And NO I'm not referring at all to the tourist trap that is the Inner Harbor.
As for Chicago I have been there multiple times, sometimes I went had nothing to do with PJ, and it too is a city with great neighborhoods and awesome people.
If given the reason and opportunity I would happily live in either city.

To each their own I suppose.  If you are complicit with the heroin/gang culture in those cities, then who am I to argue.

Just to be clear....anyone who lives in Chicago and Baltimore are "complicit with the heroin/gang culture"?

Where do you live? I'm sure there is some level of crime and drug problems. So then you are complicit as well because you live there?

rgambs said:

PJPOWER said:

CM189191 said:

PJPOWER said:

Bentleyspop said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

mace1229 said:

I really don't know why you insist on calling me on items that make sense to even a 3-year old. I guess that is what gets you up in the morning, I'm glad I can help. You've argued with me even on the rare occasions I said you were right, you came back and debated that. It is really amusing.
It really is my own fault in expecting everyone to participate in a respectful conversation, adult. I know, I should have learn not to expect so much by now, but that is my fault
I'll try one more time to explain the rationale. 
I asked for clarification because I wanted to know more about the topic being discused. I actually cared, I didn't want to just insult people, but wanted to engage in a real conversation and learn from it.  I wanted to know if there had been 11 school whootings, why none have been major news.
After reading that article it is clear why. Most, yes, would be a school shooting under any definition. SHootng out school windows is horrible, I have never said otherwise. But I can see why that did not make national news, so that is why I'm not surprised we have not heard of them. Does not make it okay, does not mean I swept it under the rug.

I'm sorry if you can;t put together the logic to see the flaw in counting a grown man's suicide on a piece of property that is not a school, but since it was a school years ago go ahead and count it as a school shooting anyway. I think the media and anyone else inflating data for their argument does not help. There is plenty of data that is horrific enough about school and gun violence, no need to make up new data. The 7 or 8 that I think everyone would agree with is a school shooting is staggering enough, why the need to count a grown man's suicide on a closed school. It's not a functional school at that point. Are we going to count any person who ever went to school at some point in their life as a student involved shooting too?

I have no issue with that article. There has not been talks on gun control.  I don;t know why you think I would have an issue with it.

You are asking too much if you expect to carry on a respectable conversation with some of the AMT addicts these days, lol.  A couple (not to mention names) will start responding to and quoting themselves if you wait long enough...It’s kinda pitiful...pathetic even.  Don’t get too frustrated.  I am reminded of the saying “They would argue with a fence post”.  
As for gun violence, the issue has taken a back seat for me.  Things like the new fentenol/heroin epidemic and gang culture in some of the “shithole” cities like Chicago and Baltimore are of more concern to me these days.

So what are you doing to try to improve those situations?

What situations are you referring to?

The ones you say are of more concern to you - fentanyl and "gang culture".

I have counseled numerous kids on how to not get caught up and how to get out of gangs and encourage parents to utilize free after school programs in my city.  There is not a whole lot I can do for Baltimore or Chicago, though, those places are shitholes.  I do not know what can be done there to turn things around.  Gang culture in and of itself can be an addiction and there is a heavy gang culture in those places.  It would take military interventions to clean up some of those cities and I do not support that, so I am a bit at a loss...that’s why I’m concerned.

As a former, and very proud, former resident of Baltimore City I can tell you unequivocally that you are wrong when it comes to Baltimore. There are many awesome parts of that city with great people. And NO I'm not referring at all to the tourist trap that is the Inner Harbor.
As for Chicago I have been there multiple times, sometimes I went had nothing to do with PJ, and it too is a city with great neighborhoods and awesome people.
If given the reason and opportunity I would happily live in either city.

To each their own I suppose.  If you are complicit with the heroin/gang culture in those cities, then who am I to argue.

Yes, Chicago is a terrible city.  Please stay away.  You also clearly have no idea what you're talking about. 

So Chicago does not have a gang/murder/drug problem?  Probably not in your neighborhood, right?  I’ve visited Chicago and had fun, ate pizza, went to a Cubs game, had my hot dog with way too much shit on it...Don’t think I’ll move there any time soon.

You can put the whole kitchen sink on a hotdog, all sorts of idiotic additions, but God Himself can't save you from the looney tunes goofballs if you put ketchup on it!
Poppy seeds and tomato?  Check.
A whole freakin' pickle?  Check.
A little stripe of ketchup?  Call the food police!

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I really don't know why you insist on calling me on items that make sense to even a 3-year old. I guess that is what gets you up in the morning, I'm glad I can help. You've argued with me even on the rare occasions I said you were right, you came back and debated that. It is really amusing.
It really is my own fault in expecting everyone to participate in a respectful conversation, adult. I know, I should have learn not to expect so much by now, but that is my fault
I'll try one more time to explain the rationale. 
I asked for clarification because I wanted to know more about the topic being discused. I actually cared, I didn't want to just insult people, but wanted to engage in a real conversation and learn from it.  I wanted to know if there had been 11 school whootings, why none have been major news.
After reading that article it is clear why. Most, yes, would be a school shooting under any definition. SHootng out school windows is horrible, I have never said otherwise. But I can see why that did not make national news, so that is why I'm not surprised we have not heard of them. Does not make it okay, does not mean I swept it under the rug.

I'm sorry if you can;t put together the logic to see the flaw in counting a grown man's suicide on a piece of property that is not a school, but since it was a school years ago go ahead and count it as a school shooting anyway. I think the media and anyone else inflating data for their argument does not help. There is plenty of data that is horrific enough about school and gun violence, no need to make up new data. The 7 or 8 that I think everyone would agree with is a school shooting is staggering enough, why the need to count a grown man's suicide on a closed school. It's not a functional school at that point. Are we going to count any person who ever went to school at some point in their life as a student involved shooting too?

I have no issue with that article. There has not been talks on gun control.  I don;t know why you think I would have an issue with it.

You are asking too much if you expect to carry on a respectable conversation with some of the AMT addicts these days, lol.  A couple (not to mention names) will start responding to and quoting themselves if you wait long enough...It’s kinda pitiful...pathetic even.  Don’t get too frustrated.  I am reminded of the saying “They would argue with a fence post”.  
As for gun violence, the issue has taken a back seat for me.  Things like the new fentenol/heroin epidemic and gang culture in some of the “shithole” cities like Chicago and Baltimore are of more concern to me these days.

It definitely is easier to face problems with which you aren't complicit! 
No doubt about that.

I don’t know if it is complicity or cynicism actually.  I have yet to see anyone here suggest tenable solutions based on research that would reduce gun violence as a whole in the US.  It would take something totally different than the approach other countries have taken, but all I hear is “Australia did it”.  Just a bunch of hot air and steam getting released here these days.  I do not blame people for not wanting to dive into that well.
You can dream of a gunless utopia all you want, meanwhile the largest firearms show in the country is taking place within walking distance from the worst mass shooting in recent history.  Seems like it would actually be easier to move to Australia than expect elected representatives to actually make meaningful changes.  So yeah, that’s why I stay out of these POINTLESS discussions for the most part these days.   

The only thing that makes solutions untenable is your insistence in total unfettered access to firearms.
A complete firearm registry would have a huge impact on the flow of firearms to inner city gangs, that is a tenable solution based on common sense and proven research.
Shut off the iron pipeline by ending unregistered sales, period.  
Simple, inarguably effective, and does not infringe on law abiding citizen's right to bear arms.

Proven research?  That’s all grand until they make the firearm untraceable to the previous “registered” owner.  Ever heard of something called a nail file?  How about a dremmel tool?  Most people I know would report a stolen firearm, but those that make a living running guns to the highest bidder is probably not above scratching off a serial number or two...or swapping out a barrel.  Hey, I’m for it, but even the laziest dropout could make a firearm untracked to the original buyer given the motivation.  Hardly a “solution”...

Right, because we put a man on the moon and cloned a monkey, but we can't beat a lazy dropout with a nail file.

Dude, we can’t even beat kids eating laundry detergent, lol.  We can’t beat the people that sell stuff that eats a person from the inside out.  
Hillary couldn’t beat Donald effing Trump...that’s the state of the union in this day and age.