Why did they boo Eddie?
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It just sort of dawned on me that we're talking about one concert that happened 15 years ago. The question was why did they boo? Because a few people at that show didn't appreciate Bu$hleager & the mask thing.
I don't think booing at PJ concerts has become any kind of a regular occurrence. I remember hearing about it, or reading about it back when it happened in 2003, but I hadn't given it 2 thoughts since then.
Seems to me it was kind of a isolated incident.
I think the people booing at that show took that song & dance way to seriously.
Let the boo debate continue.
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Man, if I stopped watching, or listening to people that had differing opinions to me I feel like I would have zero entertainment. Everyone is different, and all opinions are valid for true progression. Democrat or republican, I love everyone. There are so many great people in the world. You can’t let a few of their opinions kill you. Simple answer. Pearl Jam was unhappy with the war bush started. (I was only 8 at the time, but I get why people were mad) and then they mocked Bush, and some fans found it distasteful. Simple. Shit happens0
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I just found it surprising given the band's and their fans' leftist leanings
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Then you might also be surprised to learn that there are some "right" leaning people on here who claim to be fans of PJ.Thoughts_Arrive said:I just found it surprising given the band's and their fans' leftist leanings
People who are openly....
Racist
Homophobic
Xenophobic
White supremacists
Anti-Semitic
Anti same sex marriage
Etc etc0 -
You are so right, RYME, it was just once incident quite awhile back. But you can bet we'll beat this poor puppy to death. It's the AMT way!RYME said:It just sort of dawned on me that we're talking about one concert that happened 15 years ago. The question was why did they boo? Because a few people at that show didn't appreciate Bu$hleager & the mask thing.
I don't think booing at PJ concerts has become any kind of a regular occurrence. I remember hearing about it, or reading about it back when it happened in 2003, but I hadn't given it 2 thoughts since then.
Seems to me it was kind of a isolated incident.
I think the people booing at that show took that song & dance way to seriously.
Let the boo debate continue.
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I hope that is not your definition of a conservative. Is it??Bentleyspop said:
Then you might also be surprised to learn that there are some "right" leaning people on here who claim to be fans of PJ.Thoughts_Arrive said:I just found it surprising given the band's and their fans' leftist leanings
People who are openly....
Racist
Homophobic
Xenophobic
White supremacists
Anti-Semitic
Anti same sex marriage
Etc etc
Right leaning does not = racist homophobic xenophobic white supremacist anti-semitic anti same-sex marriage Etc.
If so that's really bad & your wrong.
It's really amazing you claim to know how I feel about all of those things. Just stereotype the s*** out people you disagree with politically and socially.
I don't fit any of those phobias but if I'm in the basket of deplorables that's fine.
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Thoughts_Arrive said:I just found it surprising given the band's and their fans' leftist leanings
Agreed, both (but of course, not singling anyone out- no way.) That always surprises me but I guess I'm dumb or naive that way. I don't know why someone would support a musician or artist well known to be strongly opposite of one's own viewpoints. For example. if I found the work of right-wing street artist Sabo interesting-- and looked at strictly from an art basis, I suppose you could say it is (Google "Sabo art" and go to "images" to see what I mean)-- I would still find the message far too much to my disliking to be a fan, support his art, show up to an exhibit, spend time on his fan site, etc.Bentleyspop said:
Then you might also be surprised to learn that there are some "right" leaning people on here who claim to be fans of PJ.Thoughts_Arrive said:I just found it surprising given the band's and their fans' leftist leanings
People who are openly....
Racist
Homophobic
Xenophobic
White supremacists
Anti-Semitic
Anti same sex marriage
Etc etc
But that's just me.
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Why on earth would you assume the post applies to you specifically?RYME said:
I hope that is not your definition of a conservative. Is it??Bentleyspop said:
Then you might also be surprised to learn that there are some "right" leaning people on here who claim to be fans of PJ.Thoughts_Arrive said:I just found it surprising given the band's and their fans' leftist leanings
People who are openly....
Racist
Homophobic
Xenophobic
White supremacists
Anti-Semitic
Anti same sex marriage
Etc etc
Right leaning does not = racist homophobic xenophobic white supremacist anti-semitic anti same-sex marriage Etc.
If so that's really bad & your wrong.
It's really amazing you claim to know how I feel about all of those things. Just stereotype the s*** out people you disagree with politically and socially.
I don't fit any of those phobias but if I'm in the basket of deplorables that's fine.
For the record, there have indeed been posters openly posting each of those viewpoints.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
My point was that over time there have been people on here who have claimed to be fans of PJ buy espoused seriously fearful, hateful, and ignorant right wing ideology.oftenreading said:
Why on earth would you assume the post applies to you specifically?RYME said:
I hope that is not your definition of a conservative. Is it??Bentleyspop said:
Then you might also be surprised to learn that there are some "right" leaning people on here who claim to be fans of PJ.Thoughts_Arrive said:I just found it surprising given the band's and their fans' leftist leanings
People who are openly....
Racist
Homophobic
Xenophobic
White supremacists
Anti-Semitic
Anti same sex marriage
Etc etc
Right leaning does not = racist homophobic xenophobic white supremacist anti-semitic anti same-sex marriage Etc.
If so that's really bad & your wrong.
It's really amazing you claim to know how I feel about all of those things. Just stereotype the s*** out people you disagree with politically and socially.
I don't fit any of those phobias but if I'm in the basket of deplorables that's fine.
For the record, there have indeed been posters openly posting each of those viewpoints.
Not everyone on the right. Just a few .
And it is surprising when it is obvious that PJ follows, and at times l, preaches left leaning ideas and beliefs.Post edited by Bentleyspop on0 -
RYME said:
I hope that is not your definition of a conservative. Is it??Bentleyspop said:
Then you might also be surprised to learn that there are some "right" leaning people on here who claim to be fans of PJ.Thoughts_Arrive said:I just found it surprising given the band's and their fans' leftist leanings
People who are openly....
Racist
Homophobic
Xenophobic
White supremacists
Anti-Semitic
Anti same sex marriage
Etc etc
Right leaning does not = racist homophobic xenophobic white supremacist anti-semitic anti same-sex marriage Etc.
If so that's really bad & your wrong.
It's really amazing you claim to know how I feel about all of those things. Just stereotype the s*** out people you disagree with politically and socially.
I don't fit any of those phobias but if I'm in the basket of deplorables that's fine.
I'm probably a little naive as to how widespread that stereotype is. It's like there are two entirely different Americas.
It's sad. According to some here, I should not be listening to Pearl Jam at all. I hold none of those phobias.& Yet that's what you think. I don't even know what xenophobia is. Does it have something to do with people who have a problem with xylophones?
I don't know.
Well I looked it up, Fear of people from other countries. That doesn't fit me either I'm an American and I married a Lithuanian. I have friends in many different countries.
https://youtu.be/SFilh113q6IPost edited by RYME on0 -
Another thing that surprises me, and this is purely speculative, is that at times, forum members (I'm thinking of a couple who are no longer here but I will still refrain from mentioning names) appear to have paid to post hard-right opinions on these forums and yet never posted on anything other than AMT. Were (or are) they paid hecklers? Or do people actually spend money and time simply to troll? I could be way off on this, but sometimes I wonder.Bentleyspop said:
My point was that over time there have been people on here who have claimed to be fans of PJ buy espoused seriously fearful, hateful, and ignorant right wing ideology.oftenreading said:
Why on earth would you assume the post applies to you specifically?RYME said:
I hope that is not your definition of a conservative. Is it??Bentleyspop said:
Then you might also be surprised to learn that there are some "right" leaning people on here who claim to be fans of PJ.Thoughts_Arrive said:I just found it surprising given the band's and their fans' leftist leanings
People who are openly....
Racist
Homophobic
Xenophobic
White supremacists
Anti-Semitic
Anti same sex marriage
Etc etc
Right leaning does not = racist homophobic xenophobic white supremacist anti-semitic anti same-sex marriage Etc.
If so that's really bad & your wrong.
It's really amazing you claim to know how I feel about all of those things. Just stereotype the s*** out people you disagree with politically and socially.
I don't fit any of those phobias but if I'm in the basket of deplorables that's fine.
For the record, there have indeed been posters openly posting each of those viewpoints.
Not everyone on the right. Just a few .
And it is surprising when it is obvious that PJ follows, and at times l, preaches left leaning ideas and beliefs.
And, no, RYME, I don't mean you. You dig Waylon. That's cool!
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brianlux said:
Another thing that surprises me, and this is purely speculative, is that at times, forum members (I'm thinking of a couple who are no longer here but I will still refrain from mentioning names) appear to have paid to post hard-right opinions on these forums and yet never posted on anything other than AMT. Were (or are) they paid hecklers? Or do people actually spend money and time simply to troll? I could be way off on this, but sometimes I wonder.Bentleyspop said:
My point was that over time there have been people on here who have claimed to be fans of PJ buy espoused seriously fearful, hateful, and ignorant right wing ideology.oftenreading said:
Why on earth would you assume the post applies to you specifically?RYME said:
I hope that is not your definition of a conservative. Is it??Bentleyspop said:
Then you might also be surprised to learn that there are some "right" leaning people on here who claim to be fans of PJ.Thoughts_Arrive said:I just found it surprising given the band's and their fans' leftist leanings
People who are openly....
Racist
Homophobic
Xenophobic
White supremacists
Anti-Semitic
Anti same sex marriage
Etc etc
Right leaning does not = racist homophobic xenophobic white supremacist anti-semitic anti same-sex marriage Etc.
If so that's really bad & your wrong.
It's really amazing you claim to know how I feel about all of those things. Just stereotype the s*** out people you disagree with politically and socially.
I don't fit any of those phobias but if I'm in the basket of deplorables that's fine.
For the record, there have indeed been posters openly posting each of those viewpoints.
Not everyone on the right. Just a few .
And it is surprising when it is obvious that PJ follows, and at times l, preaches left leaning ideas and beliefs.
And, no, RYME, I don't mean you. You dig Waylon. That's cool!It's all good Brianlux, I thought it was referring to all or most conservatives, not specifically me. I used me because I can't speak for all conservatives. And I'm sure there are some lousy conservatives out there too.Post edited by RYME on0 -
I think moderate republicans and moderate democrats are awesome, and can work together for the good! I’d say that 80% of my family votes republican and I promise none of them are bad people. They aren’t hateful, they don’t say bad things, just different ideas of how to reach the end goal. I classify as center - right, but have learned to understand opposing positions instead of writing them off. I swear, if everyone can express ideas and work together, good things can happen. Thankfully a lot of the far right social stances on marriage on their way out. A lot of conservatives are become more libertarian. Legalize pot, gay marriage, ect. Which is a good shift. Let’s all work together on issues that we can impact :-) the homeless problem in Seattle is terrible. I’m stoked the band is teaming up with people to have discussions on the best plan of attack!0
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I believe that, Riley. I know some very fine people who are republicans. My wife was a Republican when I met her in 2001. She's become more progressive over the years while I grow cranking and conservative (wanna buy a bridge? LOL) But seriously, I know a good number of very decent Republican folks. Of course, I don't understand how so many went berserk and voted for Trump but I suspect many of them were "protest votes". Too bad, look what we're all stuck with!riley540 said:I think moderate republicans and moderate democrats are awesome, and can work together for the good! I’d say that 80% of my family votes republican and I promise none of them are bad people. They aren’t hateful, they don’t say bad things, just different ideas of how to reach the end goal. I classify as center - right, but have learned to understand opposing positions instead of writing them off. I swear, if everyone can express ideas and work together, good things can happen. Thankfully a lot of the far right social stances on marriage on their way out. A lot of conservatives are become more libertarian. Legalize pot, gay marriage, ect. Which is a good shift. Let’s all work together on issues that we can impact :-) the homeless problem in Seattle is terrible. I’m stoked the band is teaming up with people to have discussions on the best plan of attack!
So yeah, working together is good sense. Kudos for the idea!
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Just for the record, there are millions of Republicans who are good and decent people that are still racist and xenophobic and bigoted and so on.
Like my wife's old boss, an optometrist in a small town who goes to church and treats people decent (mostly) and is involved in the community....and thinks same sex marriage should be outlawed and that Muslims can't be trusted, and expected the Mexican exchange student they hosted to be impressed with his house and excited to shop at our rinky dink little Canton, Ohio shopping mall. He was shocked and disappointed to learn that her family was wealthier than his, lived in a coastal villa and flew to Dallas to shop on the weekends. She was bored and unimpressed with our podunk existence and he was flabbergasted.
That's just one of many examples on how good people (almost all conservative) still have backward ass views on the world that aren't cool.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
Bentleyspop said:
Then you might also be surprised to learn that there are some "right" leaning people on here who claim to be fans of PJ.Thoughts_Arrive said:I just found it surprising given the band's and their fans' leftist leanings
People who are openly....
Racist
Homophobic
Xenophobic
White supremacists
Anti-Semitic
Anti same sex marriage
Etc etc
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what are you referring to here "it's a fact not an opinion".PJ_Soul said:
Well there isn't anything relevant to think about with the first part. It's a fact, not an opinion. Of course it's the audience's right to boo him. It's a free country, relatively. That doesn't mean I think it is right to do in terms of not being a rude idiot. And yeah, I really do think that apologizing for saying something he meant is super lame.HughFreakingDillon said:
so the opinion of the performer making the statement and engaging the crowd is irrelevant to you? oohhhhh kaaaaaayyyyy.PJ_Soul said:
I don't really care what Ed thinks about it. I also think he never should have apologized. I hate it when he apologizes after making political statements. He did that last year too. It's wimpy IMO.HughFreakingDillon said:
well Ed thinks so, that it is the audience's right to boo him when he sang Bushleaguer. he stated so right after the performance in Uniondale. he also apologized to the audience after they played it at the showbox after going off on his "fuck war" mid-song rant.PJ_Soul said:
Well that's true. I just meant their performances. I absolutely do not think that Bu$hleaguer is an exception to that, and I don't see why anyone would think so. It's not spoken word btw, not that that should make a difference anyhow.HughFreakingDillon said:I have an issue with someone booing the performance.
I do not have an issue with someone booing something the artist says in between the songs, especially if it's political in nature. I can't imagine the band would disagree with that. I gather they prefer people be engaged, no matter positive or negative, as long as they are engaged at all.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
I align with most of the bands viewpoints. Without getting into specifics, there are a couple statements here and there that make me roll my eyes when at a concert, but can anyone really claim that they have the exact same outlook on life as the next person. I cannot say that I have any friends that I see eye to eye with on every single issue, be it religious, political, etc. Still doesn’t discount the known fact that my friends are the best fucking friends in the world or that Pearl Jam is the best fucking band in the world! If you try to dissect every little thing a person says here and there, often you can lose focus of why you loved them in the first place. I believe Pearl Jam attracts people for many reasons; for some it is because their music helped them through some tough patches in life, for others it’s the love of their political activism. In the end, who really gives a shit...maybe we should all focus on the fact that this band has brought people from different walks of life together instead of trying to make lists of why someone should or should not conform to the “norm” of “Pearl Jam fans”.
That being said, I cannot say that I would ever actually boo them. If I was getting annoyed, I would probably just use the opportunity to go grab a beer. In my opinion, it is way more disrespectful to hold up your phone and try to record the whole concert than booing, but that’s a totally different complaint I guess, lolPost edited by PJPOWER on0 -
THIS, we can agree on!PJPOWER said:I align with most of the bands viewpoints. Without getting into specifics, there are a couple statements here and there that make me roll my eyes when at a concert, but can anyone really claim that they have the exact same outlook on life as the next person. I cannot say that I have any friends that I see eye to eye with on every single issue, be it religious, political, etc. Still doesn’t discount the known fact that my friends are the best fucking friends in the world or that Pearl Jam is the best fucking band in the world! If you try to dissect every little thing a person says here and there, often you can lose focus of why you loved them in the first place. I believe Pearl Jam attracts people for many reasons; for some it is because their music helped them through some tough patches in life, for others it’s the love of their political activism. In the end, who really gives a shit...maybe we should all focus on the fact that this band has brought people from different walks of life together instead of trying to make lists of why someone should or should not conform to the “norm” of “Pearl Jam fans”.
That being said, I cannot say that I would ever actually boo them. If I was getting annoyed, I would probably just use the opportunity to go grab a beer. In my opinion, it is way more disrespectful to hold up your phone and try to record the hole concert than booing, but that’s a totally different complaint I guess, lolHugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
Depends, if you are the guy filming for mrussel to painstakingly put together multicam HD shows, then good on ya lolPJPOWER said:I align with most of the bands viewpoints. Without getting into specifics, there are a couple statements here and there that make me roll my eyes when at a concert, but can anyone really claim that they have the exact same outlook on life as the next person. I cannot say that I have any friends that I see eye to eye with on every single issue, be it religious, political, etc. Still doesn’t discount the known fact that my friends are the best fucking friends in the world or that Pearl Jam is the best fucking band in the world! If you try to dissect every little thing a person says here and there, often you can lose focus of why you loved them in the first place. I believe Pearl Jam attracts people for many reasons; for some it is because their music helped them through some tough patches in life, for others it’s the love of their political activism. In the end, who really gives a shit...maybe we should all focus on the fact that this band has brought people from different walks of life together instead of trying to make lists of why someone should or should not conform to the “norm” of “Pearl Jam fans”.
That being said, I cannot say that I would ever actually boo them. If I was getting annoyed, I would probably just use the opportunity to go grab a beer. In my opinion, it is way more disrespectful to hold up your phone and try to record the hole concert than booing, but that’s a totally different complaint I guess, lolMonkey Driven, Call this Living?0
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