Why did they boo Eddie?

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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    brianlux said:
    RYME said:
    There are a lot of people who would cheer loudly no matter what Eddie says.
    If Eddie were to get on stage and in between songs say hey, the Earth is flat water flows uphill and the moon is made of cheese.  What would the crowd reaction be?  I bet over half the place would erupt with loud cheer.
    I would definitely cheer that.  Heck yeah!

    But seriously, RYME, most people applaud what Vedder says because they agree with him.  I don't go along with the idea that the average Pearl Jam fan agrees with what Eddie Vedder says because he is Eddie Vedder.  I think most people agree with what he says because it reflects their own feelings.  Most Pearl Jam fans really did not like Bush.  Most Pearl Jam fans really do not like endless war. Most Pearl Jam fans really do want to end pollution and the destruction of the planet.  Etc. 

    Pearl Jam fans are generally more politically, socially and environmentally concerned than fans of some other bands I won't name (there's no need to, that is not the point).  I think you make too great a sweeping generalization inferring PJ fans are a bunch of sheep.  I don't even know why you would do that.

    I totally agree Brian.

    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,458
    RYME said:
    There are a lot of people who would cheer loudly no matter what Eddie says.
    If Eddie were to get on stage and in between songs say hey, the Earth is flat water flows uphill and the moon is made of cheese.  What would the crowd reaction be?  I bet over half the place would erupt with loud cheer.
    that is idiotic. this 'people worship ed and believe everything he says' is absolute bullshit. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,458
    RYME said:
    There are a lot of people who would cheer loudly no matter what Eddie says.
    If Eddie were to get on stage and in between songs say hey, the Earth is flat water flows uphill and the moon is made of cheese.  What would the crowd reaction be?  I bet over half the place would erupt with loud cheer.
    so you think that if ed transformed into a trump supporter, this entire forum would flip on it too? then i've got a hotrod to sell you. and jesus built it for me. 
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,460
    edited January 2018
    RYME said:
    There are a lot of people who would cheer loudly no matter what Eddie says.
    If Eddie were to get on stage and in between songs say hey, the Earth is flat water flows uphill and the moon is made of cheese.  What would the crowd reaction be?  I bet over half the place would erupt with loud cheer.
    so you think that if ed transformed into a trump supporter, this entire forum would flip on it too? then i've got a hotrod to sell you. and jesus built it for me. 
    Maybe the response would be different in Uniondale atleast. Hehe.
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    PJ_Soul said:
    brianlux said:
    RYME said:
    There are a lot of people who would cheer loudly no matter what Eddie says.
    If Eddie were to get on stage and in between songs say hey, the Earth is flat water flows uphill and the moon is made of cheese.  What would the crowd reaction be?  I bet over half the place would erupt with loud cheer.
    I would definitely cheer that.  Heck yeah!

    But seriously, RYME, most people applaud what Vedder says because they agree with him.  I don't go along with the idea that the average Pearl Jam fan agrees with what Eddie Vedder says because he is Eddie Vedder.  I think most people agree with what he says because it reflects their own feelings.  Most Pearl Jam fans really did not like Bush.  Most Pearl Jam fans really do not like endless war. Most Pearl Jam fans really do want to end pollution and the destruction of the planet.  Etc. 

    Pearl Jam fans are generally more politically, socially and environmentally concerned than fans of some other bands I won't name (there's no need to, that is not the point).  I think you make too great a sweeping generalization inferring PJ fans are a bunch of sheep.  I don't even know why you would do that.

    I totally agree Brian.

    No no no I didn't say anybody is sheep.
    I'm not here insulting you all good God. I've heard him say some things weren't even political or terribly exciting & people just cheer for the fun of it.  That's okay it's fun.
    I wasn't a huge fan of George W Bush, I was not a fan of the endless war.  And I am against unchecked pollution.  I am all for developing cleaner ways to do things.  So we agree on a lot of things and Pearl Jam's music evokes a lot of feeling and energy that I have enjoyed along with you all.
    I enjoyed bushleaguer.  I was at one of the shows where he wore the mask & did the funky dance I thought it was funny.
    But if a few people boo who cares.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    edited January 2018
    RYME said:
    There are a lot of people who would cheer loudly no matter what Eddie says.
    If Eddie were to get on stage and in between songs say hey, the Earth is flat water flows uphill and the moon is made of cheese.  What would the crowd reaction be?  I bet over half the place would erupt with loud cheer.
    so you think that if ed transformed into a trump supporter, this entire forum would flip on it too? then i've got a hotrod to sell you. and jesus built it for me. 
    Hell, I nearly booed the last time I saw him sing Last Kiss to the back, AGAIN. :lol: But I was too mature to actually do it. ;)
    I'm certainly not about to just change my principles or core beliefs or abandon common sense to match Eddie's views and I don't know anyone who would. You're right, that theory is absolutely moronic.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,458
    RYME said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    brianlux said:
    RYME said:
    There are a lot of people who would cheer loudly no matter what Eddie says.
    If Eddie were to get on stage and in between songs say hey, the Earth is flat water flows uphill and the moon is made of cheese.  What would the crowd reaction be?  I bet over half the place would erupt with loud cheer.
    I would definitely cheer that.  Heck yeah!

    But seriously, RYME, most people applaud what Vedder says because they agree with him.  I don't go along with the idea that the average Pearl Jam fan agrees with what Eddie Vedder says because he is Eddie Vedder.  I think most people agree with what he says because it reflects their own feelings.  Most Pearl Jam fans really did not like Bush.  Most Pearl Jam fans really do not like endless war. Most Pearl Jam fans really do want to end pollution and the destruction of the planet.  Etc. 

    Pearl Jam fans are generally more politically, socially and environmentally concerned than fans of some other bands I won't name (there's no need to, that is not the point).  I think you make too great a sweeping generalization inferring PJ fans are a bunch of sheep.  I don't even know why you would do that.

    I totally agree Brian.

    No no no I didn't say anybody is sheep.
    I'm not here insulting you all good God. I've heard him say some things weren't even political or terribly exciting & people just cheer for the fun of it.  That's okay it's fun.
    I wasn't a huge fan of George W Bush, I was not a fan of the endless war.  And I am against unchecked pollution.  I am all for developing cleaner ways to do things.  So we agree on a lot of things and Pearl Jam's music evokes a lot of feeling and energy that I have enjoyed along with you all.
    I enjoyed bushleaguer.  I was at one of the shows where he wore the mask & did the funky dance I thought it was funny.
    But if a few people boo who cares.
    you called people bobbleheads and that we'd cheer for anything the man says. nice try at a backpeddle. it didn't work. again. 
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  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    RYME said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    brianlux said:
    RYME said:
    There are a lot of people who would cheer loudly no matter what Eddie says.
    If Eddie were to get on stage and in between songs say hey, the Earth is flat water flows uphill and the moon is made of cheese.  What would the crowd reaction be?  I bet over half the place would erupt with loud cheer.
    I would definitely cheer that.  Heck yeah!

    But seriously, RYME, most people applaud what Vedder says because they agree with him.  I don't go along with the idea that the average Pearl Jam fan agrees with what Eddie Vedder says because he is Eddie Vedder.  I think most people agree with what he says because it reflects their own feelings.  Most Pearl Jam fans really did not like Bush.  Most Pearl Jam fans really do not like endless war. Most Pearl Jam fans really do want to end pollution and the destruction of the planet.  Etc. 

    Pearl Jam fans are generally more politically, socially and environmentally concerned than fans of some other bands I won't name (there's no need to, that is not the point).  I think you make too great a sweeping generalization inferring PJ fans are a bunch of sheep.  I don't even know why you would do that.

    I totally agree Brian.

    No no no I didn't say anybody is sheep.
    I'm not here insulting you all good God. I've heard him say some things weren't even political or terribly exciting & people just cheer for the fun of it.  That's okay it's fun.
    I wasn't a huge fan of George W Bush, I was not a fan of the endless war.  And I am against unchecked pollution.  I am all for developing cleaner ways to do things.  So we agree on a lot of things and Pearl Jam's music evokes a lot of feeling and energy that I have enjoyed along with you all.
    I enjoyed bushleaguer.  I was at one of the shows where he wore the mask & did the funky dance I thought it was funny.
    But if a few people boo who cares.
    you called people bobbleheads and that we'd cheer for anything the man says. nice try at a backpeddle. it didn't work. again. 
    RYME said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    brianlux said:
    RYME said:
    There are a lot of people who would cheer loudly no matter what Eddie says.
    If Eddie were to get on stage and in between songs say hey, the Earth is flat water flows uphill and the moon is made of cheese.  What would the crowd reaction be?  I bet over half the place would erupt with loud cheer.
    I would definitely cheer that.  Heck yeah!

    But seriously, RYME, most people applaud what Vedder says because they agree with him.  I don't go along with the idea that the average Pearl Jam fan agrees with what Eddie Vedder says because he is Eddie Vedder.  I think most people agree with what he says because it reflects their own feelings.  Most Pearl Jam fans really did not like Bush.  Most Pearl Jam fans really do not like endless war. Most Pearl Jam fans really do want to end pollution and the destruction of the planet.  Etc. 

    Pearl Jam fans are generally more politically, socially and environmentally concerned than fans of some other bands I won't name (there's no need to, that is not the point).  I think you make too great a sweeping generalization inferring PJ fans are a bunch of sheep.  I don't even know why you would do that.

    I totally agree Brian.

    No no no I didn't say anybody is sheep.
    I'm not here insulting you all good God. I've heard him say some things weren't even political or terribly exciting & people just cheer for the fun of it.  That's okay it's fun.
    I wasn't a huge fan of George W Bush, I was not a fan of the endless war.  And I am against unchecked pollution.  I am all for developing cleaner ways to do things.  So we agree on a lot of things and Pearl Jam's music evokes a lot of feeling and energy that I have enjoyed along with you all.
    I enjoyed bushleaguer.  I was at one of the shows where he wore the mask & did the funky dance I thought it was funny.
    But if a few people boo who cares.
    you called people bobbleheads and that we'd cheer for anything the man says. nice try at a backpeddle. it didn't work. again. 
    Wrong I said for him to expect us all to be bobbleheads agree with everything he says. I didn't say we are all bobbleheads. Come on now you're a good bicycle Rider.  The Moon Earth cheese was supposed to be humorous but maybe you don't have a sense of humor.
  • PJ_Soul said:
    RYME said:
    There are a lot of people who would cheer loudly no matter what Eddie says.
    If Eddie were to get on stage and in between songs say hey, the Earth is flat water flows uphill and the moon is made of cheese.  What would the crowd reaction be?  I bet over half the place would erupt with loud cheer.
    so you think that if ed transformed into a trump supporter, this entire forum would flip on it too? then i've got a hotrod to sell you. and jesus built it for me. 
    Hell, I nearly booed the last time I saw him sing Last Kiss to the back, AGAIN. :lol: But I was too mature to actually do it. ;)
    I'm certainly not about to just change my principles or core beliefs or abandon common sense to match Eddie's views and I don't know anyone who would. You're right, that theory is absolutely moronic.
    I've never heard it. :(
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    RYME said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    brianlux said:
    RYME said:
    There are a lot of people who would cheer loudly no matter what Eddie says.
    If Eddie were to get on stage and in between songs say hey, the Earth is flat water flows uphill and the moon is made of cheese.  What would the crowd reaction be?  I bet over half the place would erupt with loud cheer.
    I would definitely cheer that.  Heck yeah!

    But seriously, RYME, most people applaud what Vedder says because they agree with him.  I don't go along with the idea that the average Pearl Jam fan agrees with what Eddie Vedder says because he is Eddie Vedder.  I think most people agree with what he says because it reflects their own feelings.  Most Pearl Jam fans really did not like Bush.  Most Pearl Jam fans really do not like endless war. Most Pearl Jam fans really do want to end pollution and the destruction of the planet.  Etc. 

    Pearl Jam fans are generally more politically, socially and environmentally concerned than fans of some other bands I won't name (there's no need to, that is not the point).  I think you make too great a sweeping generalization inferring PJ fans are a bunch of sheep.  I don't even know why you would do that.

    I totally agree Brian.

    No no no I didn't say anybody is sheep.
    I'm not here insulting you all good God. I've heard him say some things weren't even political or terribly exciting & people just cheer for the fun of it.  That's okay it's fun.
    I wasn't a huge fan of George W Bush, I was not a fan of the endless war.  And I am against unchecked pollution.  I am all for developing cleaner ways to do things.  So we agree on a lot of things and Pearl Jam's music evokes a lot of feeling and energy that I have enjoyed along with you all.
    I enjoyed bushleaguer.  I was at one of the shows where he wore the mask & did the funky dance I thought it was funny.
    But if a few people boo who cares.
    No, you did not say anybody is sheep but I think the statement "There are a lot of people who would cheer loudly no matter what Eddie says." inferred sheep ("inferred" was the word I used).  I don't know how else to interpret what you said.  Was I not close?

    As for  "if a few people boo who cares"?  I do.  I've never booed at a show and I've been to many shows over a long period of time and I can only remember a few times people booed.  In 1968, I saw the Jimi Hendrix Experience.  The Buddy Miles Express opened that show and everybody was into it.  Sandwiched in between Buddy and Jimi there was a short acoustic set performed my Dino Valente (born Chet Powers, the man who wrote "Let's Get Together" and for a while sang for Quicksilver Messenger Service).  Buddy Miles band was a powerhouse and Jimi was, well, Jimi!  So I guess some in the crowd weren't in the mood for an acoustic set.  I thought it was great and the perfect balance between two hurricanes on stage. But to boo him?  Totally rude and uncalled for. 

    Yes, I care if people boo.  It has no place in a musical performance.  Don't like what you here?  Leave. 

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    edited January 2018
    It really is simply extremely rude to boo at any concert, no matter how much you don't like what's going on (i mean, within reason... obviously if the artist does something truly egregious, like hurts someone on purpose or calls someone the n-word or something, that's obviously different). Just not making any noise at all speaks volumes by itself, so booing just because you don't like what the artist is singing about is just asshole behaviour IMO. Save the booing for sports, lol.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    PJ_Soul said:
    It really is simply extremely rude to boo at any concert, no matter how much you don't like what's going on (i mean, within reason... obviously if the artist does something truly egregious, like hurts someone on purpose or calls someone the n-word or something, that's obviously different). Just not making any noise at all speaks volumes by itself, so booing just because you don't like what the artist is singing about is just asshole behaviour IMO. Save the booing for sports, lol.
    Haha, right on PJ_S!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • DarthMaeglin
    DarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 2,956
    So, the person onstage can basically say or do anything they please, and the audience has to eat whatever offense they might feel?  Seems like a huge double-standard at play which I can't agree with.
    "The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."

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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,458
    I have an issue with someone booing the performance. 

    I do not have an issue with someone booing something the artist says in between the songs, especially if it's political in nature. I can't imagine the band would disagree with that. I gather they prefer people be engaged, no matter positive or negative, as long as they are engaged at all. 
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  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    edited January 2018
    I have an issue with someone booing the performance. 

    I do not have an issue with someone booing something the artist says in between the songs, especially if it's political in nature. I can't imagine the band would disagree with that. I gather they prefer people be engaged, no matter positive or negative, as long as they are engaged at all. 
    Great post hfd!
    What I was trying to say before is that an artist making political statements in between songs shouldn't expect the entire crowd to nod in agreeance like a bunch of bobbleheads.. I was not implying that pj fans are bobbleheads, not my intention at all.
    And if it is like you say above then alrighty then.
    Post edited by RYME on
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,401
    I have an issue with someone booing the performance. 

    I do not have an issue with someone booing something the artist says in between the songs, especially if it's political in nature. I can't imagine the band would disagree with that. I gather they prefer people be engaged, no matter positive or negative, as long as they are engaged at all. 
    With that said, if the song is a political statement, then does that make it ok? Bushleaguer is a mostly spoken word rant with a chorus.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    So, the person onstage can basically say or do anything they please, and the audience has to eat whatever offense they might feel?  Seems like a huge double-standard at play which I can't agree with.
    I would say, yeah, it's their stage.  I totally believe in the right of the artist to control what goes on on the stage.  But the thing is, most artists strive to give their audience a good show.  If I got up on stage and started humming one tone as long as I can, my audience would get very small very quickly.  Pearl Jam seems to do just fine selling tickets so I guess most of what they do still appeals to a large number of fans. 
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,458
    tbergs said:
    I have an issue with someone booing the performance. 

    I do not have an issue with someone booing something the artist says in between the songs, especially if it's political in nature. I can't imagine the band would disagree with that. I gather they prefer people be engaged, no matter positive or negative, as long as they are engaged at all. 
    With that said, if the song is a political statement, then does that make it ok? Bushleaguer is a mostly spoken word rant with a chorus.
    yes, I believe it would actually fall under that category, especially when he brings out the mask. most artists expect audience engagement, and they'd be hypocritical if they only expected positive feedback or none at all. 
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    RYME said:
    I have an issue with someone booing the performance. 

    I do not have an issue with someone booing something the artist says in between the songs, especially if it's political in nature. I can't imagine the band would disagree with that. I gather they prefer people be engaged, no matter positive or negative, as long as they are engaged at all. 
    Great post hfd!
    What I was trying to say before is that an artist making political statements in between songs shouldn't expect the entire crowd to nod in agreeance like a bunch of bobbleheads.. I was not implying that pj fans are bobbleheads, not my intention at all.
    And if it is like you say above then alrighty then.
    Either  boo or nod in agreement?  This seems like black and white thinking.  Booing is mob behavior.  Nodding your head "yes" without critical thinking is sheep behavior.  Listening and making up one's own mind is intelligent behavior.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,458
    brianlux said:
    RYME said:
    I have an issue with someone booing the performance. 

    I do not have an issue with someone booing something the artist says in between the songs, especially if it's political in nature. I can't imagine the band would disagree with that. I gather they prefer people be engaged, no matter positive or negative, as long as they are engaged at all. 
    Great post hfd!
    What I was trying to say before is that an artist making political statements in between songs shouldn't expect the entire crowd to nod in agreeance like a bunch of bobbleheads.. I was not implying that pj fans are bobbleheads, not my intention at all.
    And if it is like you say above then alrighty then.
    Either  boo or nod in agreement?  This seems like black and white thinking.  Booing is mob behavior.  Nodding your head "yes" without critical thinking is sheep behavior.  Listening and making up one's own mind is intelligent behavior.
    how is booing mob behaviour brian? If Ed wants to stand up on stage and make a political statement, that's well within his right. but it's within my right to vocalize my disapproval with said statement, is it not?
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