America's Gun Violence

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  • mace1229
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    And don’t forget the house tax bill legislation that has a provision to prevent states from banning convicted felons from obtaining concealed carry permits. Considering most convicted felons are white and honed their white nationalist and neo-Nazi skills and ideology while incarcerated, it makes sense coming from this group of Trump supporters in Congress? Does Canada allow convicted felons to conceal carry?
    Aren't convicted felons banned from owning firearms to begin with? I always thought that is the case, and if so, the concealed carry permit is a non-issue if they can;t even possess one.
  • mace1229
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    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/deer-hunter-who-killed-woman-is-charged-with-manslaughter/ar-BBFZkjF?li=AAggNb9&ocid=edgsp

    Nighttime, neighbourhood, handgun deer hunter charged with shooting his neighbour after he thought she was a deer.
    100% agree with that verdict. He was not legally hunting, so there's no question he is criminally responsible for it. Manslaughter seems like an appropriate charge.
  • stuckinline
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    WTF?

    Wisconsin’s Department of Natural Resources has issued 10 hunting licenses to children under the age of 1 in the weeks following the state’s new regulations concerning mentored hunts, the agency reports

    Earlier this month, Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker signed a law eliminating the age restriction on mentored hunts, meaning that children of any age would be allowed to accompany a licensed hunter in the field, as well as carry their own weapon.

    Previously, a child in Wisconsin needed to be 12 to be issued a hunting license, and mentored hunts — wherein the protégée would carry his/her own rifle — were limited to those 10 and up.

    In addition to the 10 mentored-hunt licenses issued to those under 1 year of age, Wisconsin’s DNR has also issued 52 other licenses to children under the age of 5, the Associated Press reports. In total, 1,814 licenses have been issued to children under 10, although the majority — 1,011 — went to 9-year-olds.

    On Nov. 17, 6-year-old Lexie Harris became one of the first and youngest hunters in Wisconsin to bag a deer during a mentored hunt under the new law. Her father, Tyler, said he had been taking Lexie on his deer hunts since she was 3, but never before was she allowed to actually carry a weapon and kill one.


    http://www.foxnews.com/great-outdoors/2017/12/01/wisconsin-issues-10-hunting-licenses-to-children-under-age-1.html

  • CM189191
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    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Only 58 killed. That’s it. No big whoop. Cancer kills more. So do car wrecks. Alcohol. No need for changes.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/local/las-vegas-teens/

    It blows me away that this is 'normalcy'. That people will argue to defend this. It's completely asinine.
    Did they ever find a strawman scapegoat 'motive' for Vegas?

    Or did the NRA lobby just give up on that narrative?
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mace1229 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    And don’t forget the house tax bill legislation that has a provision to prevent states from banning convicted felons from obtaining concealed carry permits. Considering most convicted felons are white and honed their white nationalist and neo-Nazi skills and ideology while incarcerated, it makes sense coming from this group of Trump supporters in Congress? Does Canada allow convicted felons to conceal carry?
    Aren't convicted felons banned from owning firearms to begin with? I always thought that is the case, and if so, the concealed carry permit is a non-issue if they can;t even possess one.
    Then why is it buried in a tax bill. Why is it there at all?
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  • mace1229
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mace1229 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    And don’t forget the house tax bill legislation that has a provision to prevent states from banning convicted felons from obtaining concealed carry permits. Considering most convicted felons are white and honed their white nationalist and neo-Nazi skills and ideology while incarcerated, it makes sense coming from this group of Trump supporters in Congress? Does Canada allow convicted felons to conceal carry?
    Aren't convicted felons banned from owning firearms to begin with? I always thought that is the case, and if so, the concealed carry permit is a non-issue if they can;t even possess one.
    Then why is it buried in a tax bill. Why is it there at all?
    I have no idea. I just Googled it, apparently felons of illegal trade practices can own a gun. So Martha Stewart may be armed.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mace1229 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mace1229 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    And don’t forget the house tax bill legislation that has a provision to prevent states from banning convicted felons from obtaining concealed carry permits. Considering most convicted felons are white and honed their white nationalist and neo-Nazi skills and ideology while incarcerated, it makes sense coming from this group of Trump supporters in Congress? Does Canada allow convicted felons to conceal carry?
    Aren't convicted felons banned from owning firearms to begin with? I always thought that is the case, and if so, the concealed carry permit is a non-issue if they can;t even possess one.
    Then why is it buried in a tax bill. Why is it there at all?
    I have no idea. I just Googled it, apparently felons of illegal trade practices can own a gun. So Martha Stewart may be armed.
    Makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside, doesn’t it?
     
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    stuckinline said:
    WTF?

    Wisconsin’s Department of Natural Resources has issued 10 hunting licenses to children under the age of 1 in the weeks following the state’s new regulations concerning mentored hunts, the agency reports

    Earlier this month, Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker signed a law eliminating the age restriction on mentored hunts, meaning that children of any age would be allowed to accompany a licensed hunter in the field, as well as carry their own weapon.

    Previously, a child in Wisconsin needed to be 12 to be issued a hunting license, and mentored hunts — wherein the protégée would carry his/her own rifle — were limited to those 10 and up.

    In addition to the 10 mentored-hunt licenses issued to those under 1 year of age, Wisconsin’s DNR has also issued 52 other licenses to children under the age of 5, the Associated Press reports. In total, 1,814 licenses have been issued to children under 10, although the majority — 1,011 — went to 9-year-olds.

    On Nov. 17, 6-year-old Lexie Harris became one of the first and youngest hunters in Wisconsin to bag a deer during a mentored hunt under the new law. Her father, Tyler, said he had been taking Lexie on his deer hunts since she was 3, but never before was she allowed to actually carry a weapon and kill one.


    http://www.foxnews.com/great-outdoors/2017/12/01/wisconsin-issues-10-hunting-licenses-to-children-under-age-1.html

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  • mace1229
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mace1229 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mace1229 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    And don’t forget the house tax bill legislation that has a provision to prevent states from banning convicted felons from obtaining concealed carry permits. Considering most convicted felons are white and honed their white nationalist and neo-Nazi skills and ideology while incarcerated, it makes sense coming from this group of Trump supporters in Congress? Does Canada allow convicted felons to conceal carry?
    Aren't convicted felons banned from owning firearms to begin with? I always thought that is the case, and if so, the concealed carry permit is a non-issue if they can;t even possess one.
    Then why is it buried in a tax bill. Why is it there at all?
    I have no idea. I just Googled it, apparently felons of illegal trade practices can own a gun. So Martha Stewart may be armed.
    Makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside, doesn’t it?
     
    I have no idea where the majority of your comments come from.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    CM189191 said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Only 58 killed. That’s it. No big whoop. Cancer kills more. So do car wrecks. Alcohol. No need for changes.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/local/las-vegas-teens/

    It blows me away that this is 'normalcy'. That people will argue to defend this. It's completely asinine.
    Did they ever find a strawman scapegoat 'motive' for Vegas?

    Or did the NRA lobby just give up on that narrative?
    It never happened. Complete hoax.
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  • oftenreading
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    CM189191 said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Only 58 killed. That’s it. No big whoop. Cancer kills more. So do car wrecks. Alcohol. No need for changes.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/local/las-vegas-teens/

    It blows me away that this is 'normalcy'. That people will argue to defend this. It's completely asinine.
    Did they ever find a strawman scapegoat 'motive' for Vegas?

    Or did the NRA lobby just give up on that narrative?
    False flag operation by the liberals, of course. 
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  • KC138045
    KC138045 Columbus, OH Posts: 2,716
    mace1229 said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/deer-hunter-who-killed-woman-is-charged-with-manslaughter/ar-BBFZkjF?li=AAggNb9&ocid=edgsp

    Nighttime, neighbourhood, handgun deer hunter charged with shooting his neighbour after he thought she was a deer.
    100% agree with that verdict. He was not legally hunting, so there's no question he is criminally responsible for it. Manslaughter seems like an appropriate charge.
    And the illegal Mexican immigrant who is also a felon was acquitted of killing Kate Steinle in San Francisco.  Not saying the hunter should not of been charged but this guy in California should of been charged as well.  He was wanted by immigration officers and should not of even been allowed to be in the position to shoot and kill this poor girl.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/jury-reaches-verdict-san-francisco-pier-shooting-233343965.html
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    KC138045 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/deer-hunter-who-killed-woman-is-charged-with-manslaughter/ar-BBFZkjF?li=AAggNb9&ocid=edgsp

    Nighttime, neighbourhood, handgun deer hunter charged with shooting his neighbour after he thought she was a deer.
    100% agree with that verdict. He was not legally hunting, so there's no question he is criminally responsible for it. Manslaughter seems like an appropriate charge.
    And the illegal Mexican immigrant who is also a felon was acquitted of killing Kate Steinle in San Francisco.  Not saying the hunter should not of been charged but this guy in California should of been charged as well.  He was wanted by immigration officers and should not of even been allowed to be in the position to shoot and kill this poor girl.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/jury-reaches-verdict-san-francisco-pier-shooting-233343965.html
    He was charged. A jury found him not guilty of murder but guilty on other serious charges. What grounds do you have to argue against this sequence? Are you second guessing the jury's decision? I'm guessing they have more information on the case than you do. 
     
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  • mace1229
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    oftenreading said:
    KC138045 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/deer-hunter-who-killed-woman-is-charged-with-manslaughter/ar-BBFZkjF?li=AAggNb9&ocid=edgsp

    Nighttime, neighbourhood, handgun deer hunter charged with shooting his neighbour after he thought she was a deer.
    100% agree with that verdict. He was not legally hunting, so there's no question he is criminally responsible for it. Manslaughter seems like an appropriate charge.
    And the illegal Mexican immigrant who is also a felon was acquitted of killing Kate Steinle in San Francisco.  Not saying the hunter should not of been charged but this guy in California should of been charged as well.  He was wanted by immigration officers and should not of even been allowed to be in the position to shoot and kill this poor girl.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/jury-reaches-verdict-san-francisco-pier-shooting-233343965.html
    He was charged. A jury found him not guilty of murder but guilty on other serious charges. What grounds do you have to argue against this sequence? Are you second guessing the jury's decision? I'm guessing they have more information on the case than you do. 
     
    I agree with that. I agreed with that with all the high profile police cases in the last 2 years as well, but that wasn't a good enough answer for most back then.
  • KC138045
    KC138045 Columbus, OH Posts: 2,716
    oftenreading said:
    KC138045 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/deer-hunter-who-killed-woman-is-charged-with-manslaughter/ar-BBFZkjF?li=AAggNb9&ocid=edgsp

    Nighttime, neighbourhood, handgun deer hunter charged with shooting his neighbour after he thought she was a deer.
    100% agree with that verdict. He was not legally hunting, so there's no question he is criminally responsible for it. Manslaughter seems like an appropriate charge.
    And the illegal Mexican immigrant who is also a felon was acquitted of killing Kate Steinle in San Francisco.  Not saying the hunter should not of been charged but this guy in California should of been charged as well.  He was wanted by immigration officers and should not of even been allowed to be in the position to shoot and kill this poor girl.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/jury-reaches-verdict-san-francisco-pier-shooting-233343965.html
    He was charged. A jury found him not guilty of murder but guilty on other serious charges. What grounds do you have to argue against this sequence? Are you second guessing the jury's decision? I'm guessing they have more information on the case than you do. 
     

    All they charged him with was being a felon in possession on a fire arm.  I don't need grounds to state my opinion.  Isn't that what we all do on these threads?  He was an illegal immigrant in possession of a stolen gun in a crowded public place.

    Just like the hunter the killing probably was not intentional but it should still be considered manslaughter just like it was with the hunter.
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  • mace1229
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    edited December 2017
    I'm uncertain what options the jury had, but seems like manslaughter would have been appropriate over murder. Sounds like he just got gun violation charges though. I haven't read if the jury even had that option.
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    mace1229 said:
    oftenreading said:
    KC138045 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/deer-hunter-who-killed-woman-is-charged-with-manslaughter/ar-BBFZkjF?li=AAggNb9&ocid=edgsp

    Nighttime, neighbourhood, handgun deer hunter charged with shooting his neighbour after he thought she was a deer.
    100% agree with that verdict. He was not legally hunting, so there's no question he is criminally responsible for it. Manslaughter seems like an appropriate charge.
    And the illegal Mexican immigrant who is also a felon was acquitted of killing Kate Steinle in San Francisco.  Not saying the hunter should not of been charged but this guy in California should of been charged as well.  He was wanted by immigration officers and should not of even been allowed to be in the position to shoot and kill this poor girl.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/jury-reaches-verdict-san-francisco-pier-shooting-233343965.html
    He was charged. A jury found him not guilty of murder but guilty on other serious charges. What grounds do you have to argue against this sequence? Are you second guessing the jury's decision? I'm guessing they have more information on the case than you do. 
     
    I agree with that. I agreed with that with all the high profile police cases in the last 2 years as well, but that wasn't a good enough answer for most back then.
    Ha ha. Well, I can see a number of differences there, one important one being that this guy was found guilty of things that there was eveidence around, but I can see your point. My main point here is that the poster I quoted said that Zarate should have been charged, when obviously he was charged. 

    In some of these police cases there were no charges. In many others there were only police department investigations, not a trial. 
     
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  • mace1229
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    edited December 2017
    KC138045 said:
    oftenreading said:
    KC138045 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/deer-hunter-who-killed-woman-is-charged-with-manslaughter/ar-BBFZkjF?li=AAggNb9&ocid=edgsp

    Nighttime, neighbourhood, handgun deer hunter charged with shooting his neighbour after he thought she was a deer.
    100% agree with that verdict. He was not legally hunting, so there's no question he is criminally responsible for it. Manslaughter seems like an appropriate charge.
    And the illegal Mexican immigrant who is also a felon was acquitted of killing Kate Steinle in San Francisco.  Not saying the hunter should not of been charged but this guy in California should of been charged as well.  He was wanted by immigration officers and should not of even been allowed to be in the position to shoot and kill this poor girl.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/jury-reaches-verdict-san-francisco-pier-shooting-233343965.html
    He was charged. A jury found him not guilty of murder but guilty on other serious charges. What grounds do you have to argue against this sequence? Are you second guessing the jury's decision? I'm guessing they have more information on the case than you do. 
     

    All they charged him with was being a felon in possession on a fire arm.  I don't need grounds to state my opinion.  Isn't that what we all do on these threads?  He was an illegal immigrant in possession of a stolen gun in a crowded public place.

    Just like the hunter the killing probably was not intentional but it should still be considered manslaughter just like it was with the hunter.
    I agree, if the hunter was guilty of manslaughter (and it seems like he should be) then why not this guy.
    But I don't know if the jury had that option. I know in some cases they can decide to which degree he is guilty, but not always, and I don;t know the circumstances that allow that.
    But if the choice was only murder or not murder, then it probably wasn't murder. May just be a case of the prosecution over-reaching, thinking they can make an example and it backfired.
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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,502
    He was charged with murder and manslaughter, but the jury acquitted him on all charges based on the evidence. If that is upsetting, blame the prosecution. Wouldn't be the first time the prosecution cost a murder conviction...OJ (cough, cough).

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/30/us/kate-steinle-murder-trial-verdict/index.html
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    tbergs said:
    He was charged with murder and manslaughter, but the jury acquitted him on all charges based on the evidence. If that is upsetting, blame the prosecution. Wouldn't be the first time the prosecution cost a murder conviction...OJ (cough, cough).

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/30/us/kate-steinle-murder-trial-verdict/index.html
    Convicted of being in possession of a firearm, which brings this back full circle to how this was raised in this thread. 
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