America's Gun Violence

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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,202
    edited November 2017
    dignin said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    dignin said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Another responsible gun owner, possibly not charged?

    https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2017/11/22/police-hunter-shot-woman-riding-bike-on-new-hampshire-trail
    I am not defending the hunter in any way but why people decide to bike/walk in a hunting zone during hunting season is beyond me.  really really dumb.
    Why would anyone want to hunt where people regularly bike and hike? That is really, really dumb.
    It's actually good to hunt near a bike/hike zone because people move the deer around.  I run trails all the time around here but I would never run in a bow or shotgun zone during hunting season.  That is just stupid.  
    So you like bikers and hikers around to stir up the deer but don't want them there because you might shoot them. Got it.
    That s why I said "near", meaning a mile or more away (sorry I wasn't clear on that.) but whatever, you guys enjoy your time being in a hunting zone even if you aren't hunting. Smart choice. 
    Have a great thanksgiving. 
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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,503
    mcgruff10 said:
    dignin said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    dignin said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Another responsible gun owner, possibly not charged?

    https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2017/11/22/police-hunter-shot-woman-riding-bike-on-new-hampshire-trail
    I am not defending the hunter in any way but why people decide to bike/walk in a hunting zone during hunting season is beyond me.  really really dumb.
    Why would anyone want to hunt where people regularly bike and hike? That is really, really dumb.
    It's actually good to hunt near a bike/hike zone because people move the deer around.  I run trails all the time around here but I would never run in a bow or shotgun zone during hunting season.  That is just stupid.  
    So you like bikers and hikers around to stir up the deer but don't want them there because you might shoot them. Got it.
    That s why I said "near", meaning a mile or more away (sorry I wasn't clear on that.) but whatever, you guys enjoy your time being in a hunting zone even if you aren't hunting. Smart choice. 
    Have a great thanksgiving. 
    Just another responsible gun owner. I hunted for years and how anyone can ever mistake a human for a deer is beyond understandable. It's either too dark to be taking a shot or you're firing blind at a noise you heard. This isn't on some biker going down a trail, on from what little information available, seems to identify the area as multi-use. So either we have an irresponsible hunter, a negligent trail sign system or an idiot biker. Right now, it doesn't seem like the onus is on the biker. They didn't stumble across some random trail on some private land or hunting only area. That would be poor judgment, but it would be even poorer judgment for a hunter to shoot them. That person is an idiot and should have their gun taken away. Now, if signs were up and notices posted that the trail was closed for hunting or that hunters are in the area, then the biker should have stayed away.

    As for your "near" assessment, really? A mile away is going to help get the deer moving your way? I don't think so. Based on your theory, if you live in the country you shouldn't step out of your yard or off the road because it's a hunting zone. I could have been shot walking to get my mail everyday, because you know, hunting zone.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,202
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    dignin said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Another responsible gun owner, possibly not charged?

    https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2017/11/22/police-hunter-shot-woman-riding-bike-on-new-hampshire-trail
    I am not defending the hunter in any way but why people decide to bike/walk in a hunting zone during hunting season is beyond me.  really really dumb.
    Why would anyone want to hunt where people regularly bike and hike? That is really, really dumb.
    It's actually good to hunt near a bike/hike zone because people move the deer around.  I run trails all the time around here but I would never run in a bow or shotgun zone during hunting season.  That is just stupid.  
    Yah. Don't actually 'hunt'. Just get off the couch and drive to the nearest locale where deer are spotted. They're by highways too. Just sit there in the Fargo pick up and blast a deer before it runs out onto the road: saves a potential collision in the process.
    Don't actually hunt?  You never "drived" when you deer hunted?  The whole purpose of a drive is too get the deer moving. I'm not getting the sarcastic response.  
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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,671
    Shouldn’t the greater responsibilty lie with the one who can do the most harm? Why hunt in a people zone? Go somewhere else. My toy (mountain bike) doesn’t hurt others. If yours does, go on private land or something. You respect others in a public shared space. 
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,918
    edited November 2017
    If a hunter shoots a person it is ALWAYS the hunters fault, unless the person shot literally leapt into the path of a bullet when he or she saw that the hunter was aiming at something else. Nobody should ever be shooting at anything unless they know exactly what it is they're shooting. If they can't tell the difference between a deer and a human, then they fucking well shouldn't be firing their gun. I don't think what the land is designated for is either here nor there. People can accidentally wander into a hunting zone, it could be some kid who doesn't know any better, it could be someone who is lost, whatever.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    unsung said:
    Just saw a stat that police have killed more people since 2016 than all of the mass shootings over the last 40 years.  
    just saw a stat that licensed train operators have driven more trains since 2016 than all of the train enthusiasts over the last 40 years. 

    imagine that. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    tbergs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    dignin said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    dignin said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Another responsible gun owner, possibly not charged?

    https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2017/11/22/police-hunter-shot-woman-riding-bike-on-new-hampshire-trail
    I am not defending the hunter in any way but why people decide to bike/walk in a hunting zone during hunting season is beyond me.  really really dumb.
    Why would anyone want to hunt where people regularly bike and hike? That is really, really dumb.
    It's actually good to hunt near a bike/hike zone because people move the deer around.  I run trails all the time around here but I would never run in a bow or shotgun zone during hunting season.  That is just stupid.  
    So you like bikers and hikers around to stir up the deer but don't want them there because you might shoot them. Got it.
    That s why I said "near", meaning a mile or more away (sorry I wasn't clear on that.) but whatever, you guys enjoy your time being in a hunting zone even if you aren't hunting. Smart choice. 
    Have a great thanksgiving. 
    Just another responsible gun owner. I hunted for years and how anyone can ever mistake a human for a deer is beyond understandable. It's either too dark to be taking a shot or you're firing blind at a noise you heard. This isn't on some biker going down a trail, on from what little information available, seems to identify the area as multi-use. So either we have an irresponsible hunter, a negligent trail sign system or an idiot biker. Right now, it doesn't seem like the onus is on the biker. They didn't stumble across some random trail on some private land or hunting only area. That would be poor judgment, but it would be even poorer judgment for a hunter to shoot them. That person is an idiot and should have their gun taken away. Now, if signs were up and notices posted that the trail was closed for hunting or that hunters are in the area, then the biker should have stayed away.

    As for your "near" assessment, really? A mile away is going to help get the deer moving your way? I don't think so. Based on your theory, if you live in the country you shouldn't step out of your yard or off the road because it's a hunting zone. I could have been shot walking to get my mail everyday, because you know, hunting zone.
    You should talk to the dead woman in Maine who was in her backyard garden when felled by the “responsible” gun owner/hunter. Another “responsible” gun owner unlikely to face charges.
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,202
    edited November 2017
    I didn't read anywhere in the article that the hunter mistook the bicyclist for a deer; was there new information?

    and as a hunter for 30 years again I am not defending the hunter and admit there is no reason to mistake a human for an animal.  Having said that, I still don't understand why people would decide to hang out in hunting zones (unless of course it was an accident).
    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,033
    oftenreading said:
    unsung said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Anti-depressants, anti-anxiety medication, and ADHA meds are actually an extremely common factor amongst mass shooters. I'm talking REALLY common. Like, the vast majority of mass shooters are on something or other in that category, or were at some point (the most compelling studies are the ones that explore the connection between ritalin use as a kid and violent tendencies as adolescents or adults - the Columbine massacre led researchers to explore this). However, that doesn't necessarily mean that the meds are the cause, obviously. Nobody has ever been able to prove that is the case. It simply proves that the vast majority mass shooters have some sort of mental health problem. And that isn't exactly a surprise (and of course that doesn't mean that everyone with mental illness is dangerous. 99% of people with mental illnesses are not violent - I'm sure everyone here knows that already. Also, of course, mental illness does not = insanity. Mental illness is no excuse for committing murder unless we're talking severe mental illnesses that involve delusion and shit).
    For sure.

    Do you think that these types of medications are over prescribed?  

    I had had a family member stop taking them and almost immediately had an event.  I wonder how common that type of reaction is.
    Many types of medications shouldn't be stopped abruptly, not just psychiatric medications. 
    I was going to say this too. you don't just "stop taking them" and expect everything to be ok. that's like #2 on the "don't fucking do that unless under your doctor's orders/supervision" list on the package. 
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,918
    mcgruff10 said:
    did it say anywhere in the article that the hunter mistook the bicyclist for a deer or are we all just assuming?
    Are you suggesting the hunter murdered the cyclist on purpose? Or are you just wondering if he was hunting deer as opposed to something else?
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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,671
    mcgruff10 said:
    I didn't read anywhere in the article that the hunter mistook the bicyclist for a deer; was there new information?

    and as a hunter for 30 years again I am not defending the hunter and admit there is no reason to mistake a human for an animal.  Having said that, I still don't understand why people would decide to hang out in hunting zones (unless of course it was an accident).
    Maybe because we keep hearing about how all these gun owners are so responsible?
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,033
    mcgruff10 said:
    I didn't read anywhere in the article that the hunter mistook the bicyclist for a deer; was there new information?

    and as a hunter for 30 years again I am not defending the hunter and admit there is no reason to mistake a human for an animal.  Having said that, I still don't understand why people would decide to hang out in hunting zones (unless of course it was an accident).
    either he:

    -mistook her for an animal, or
    -is a terrible shot

    either way, hunter should be charged. with what, I don't know, but he pulled the trigger. it's his fault the woman got shot. end of story. 
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,202
    tbergs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    dignin said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    dignin said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Another responsible gun owner, possibly not charged?

    https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2017/11/22/police-hunter-shot-woman-riding-bike-on-new-hampshire-trail
    I am not defending the hunter in any way but why people decide to bike/walk in a hunting zone during hunting season is beyond me.  really really dumb.
    Why would anyone want to hunt where people regularly bike and hike? That is really, really dumb.
    It's actually good to hunt near a bike/hike zone because people move the deer around.  I run trails all the time around here but I would never run in a bow or shotgun zone during hunting season.  That is just stupid.  
    So you like bikers and hikers around to stir up the deer but don't want them there because you might shoot them. Got it.
    That s why I said "near", meaning a mile or more away (sorry I wasn't clear on that.) but whatever, you guys enjoy your time being in a hunting zone even if you aren't hunting. Smart choice. 
    Have a great thanksgiving. 
    Just another responsible gun owner. I hunted for years and how anyone can ever mistake a human for a deer is beyond understandable. It's either too dark to be taking a shot or you're firing blind at a noise you heard. This isn't on some biker going down a trail, on from what little information available, seems to identify the area as multi-use. So either we have an irresponsible hunter, a negligent trail sign system or an idiot biker. Right now, it doesn't seem like the onus is on the biker. They didn't stumble across some random trail on some private land or hunting only area. That would be poor judgment, but it would be even poorer judgment for a hunter to shoot them. That person is an idiot and should have their gun taken away. Now, if signs were up and notices posted that the trail was closed for hunting or that hunters are in the area, then the biker should have stayed away.

    As for your "near" assessment, really? A mile away is going to help get the deer moving your way? I don't think so. Based on your theory, if you live in the country you shouldn't step out of your yard or off the road because it's a hunting zone. I could have been shot walking to get my mail everyday, because you know, hunting zone.
    a mile or 1/2 mile away...absolutely.  Well here in new york and new jersey. Maybe deer behave differently where you live.  Again, activity near where you are hunting is good because it moves the deer around.  You never participated in a drive when deer hunting?  we would start drives maybe 500 yards away from one another (about a 1/2 mile).

    And in new jersey you can't take a shot within 450 feet of a dwelling so if you did get shot going to your mail box then the hunter would have been doing something illegal.
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,877
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    unsung said:
    Just saw a stat that police have killed more people since 2016 than all of the mass shootings over the last 40 years.  
    just saw a stat that licensed train operators have driven more trains since 2016 than all of the train enthusiasts over the last 40 years. 

    imagine that. 
    They've been running them into things and off the tracks here in NY at an alarming rate...
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,202
    PJ_Soul said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    did it say anywhere in the article that the hunter mistook the bicyclist for a deer or are we all just assuming?
    Are you suggesting the hunter murdered the cyclist on purpose? Or are you just wondering if he was hunting deer as opposed to something else?
    Huh?  No I"m not suggesting that a hunter murdered a cyclist.  A bullet can travel up to two miles....so maybe the hunter missed his shot (at the deer) and accidentally hit the bicyclist.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 32,113
    mcgruff10 said:
    I didn't read anywhere in the article that the hunter mistook the bicyclist for a deer; was there new information?

    and as a hunter for 30 years again I am not defending the hunter and admit there is no reason to mistake a human for an animal.  Having said that, I still don't understand why people would decide to hang out in hunting zones (unless of course it was an accident).
    she must of been wearing fur coat no and a hat with those antlers on them no had to no way a hunter makes that mistake ....
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,202
    just read this:

    http://nhpr.org/post/hunter-shoots-mountain-biker-hopkinton-park#stream/0
    According to Fish and Game, the shooter told conservation officers he was aiming at a deer and didn't see the cyclist in the background. The investigation is ongoing. It has not yet been decided whether the hunter will be charged.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    mcgruff10 said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    dignin said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Another responsible gun owner, possibly not charged?

    https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2017/11/22/police-hunter-shot-woman-riding-bike-on-new-hampshire-trail
    I am not defending the hunter in any way but why people decide to bike/walk in a hunting zone during hunting season is beyond me.  really really dumb.
    Why would anyone want to hunt where people regularly bike and hike? That is really, really dumb.
    It's actually good to hunt near a bike/hike zone because people move the deer around.  I run trails all the time around here but I would never run in a bow or shotgun zone during hunting season.  That is just stupid.  
    Yah. Don't actually 'hunt'. Just get off the couch and drive to the nearest locale where deer are spotted. They're by highways too. Just sit there in the Fargo pick up and blast a deer before it runs out onto the road: saves a potential collision in the process.
    Don't actually hunt?  You never "drived" when you deer hunted?  The whole purpose of a drive is too get the deer moving. I'm not getting the sarcastic response.  
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,033
    mcgruff10 said:
    just read this:

    http://nhpr.org/post/hunter-shoots-mountain-biker-hopkinton-park#stream/0
    According to Fish and Game, the shooter told conservation officers he was aiming at a deer and didn't see the cyclist in the background. The investigation is ongoing. It has not yet been decided whether the hunter will be charged.
    k, if that's the case, I can't say for sure who is at fault here. if it's a hunting area, shouldn't it be closed to people roaming around for recreation?
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,918
    edited November 2017
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    just read this:

    http://nhpr.org/post/hunter-shoots-mountain-biker-hopkinton-park#stream/0
    According to Fish and Game, the shooter told conservation officers he was aiming at a deer and didn't see the cyclist in the background. The investigation is ongoing. It has not yet been decided whether the hunter will be charged.
    k, if that's the case, I can't say for sure who is at fault here. if it's a hunting area, shouldn't it be closed to people roaming around for recreation?
    Well it certainly isn't the cyclist who's at fault, and obviously not the deer's, so I guess that leaves only one other person, lol. I don't think it matters if it's a hunting area or not. There is still always the chance of a person being there for whatever reason, be it another hunter or anyone else.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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