America's Gun Violence

unsung said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

unsung said:

PJ_Soul said:

unsung said:

PJ_Soul said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

mace1229 said:

And to answer your question, no its not because they can kill. Its just fun. Why aremodel rockets fun? I dont know, they just are. its fun to light a rocket and watch it launch hundreds of feet up. Its fun to shoot clay targets and watch them shatter when you hit them.Most of my guns are .22, essentially the smallest caliber, so it isnt about killing capabilities. 
Which I guess is why I'm okay with a lot of gun restrictions. I can still target shoot with smaller magazine limits, I can wait 10 days before shooting, I can pass a background check. 

Ok, of course bows and arrows were created to kill also but I don't think we need fear their use in mass murders.

I still don't understand why it's important for you to shoot with live rounds. Would it be less fun for you to shoot with a paint ball or even some kind of rubber bullet?

I'm genuinely trying to understand this gun culture that is so alien to me

When discussing mass murder with a leftist it is so hard to take them seriously.

And this is why discussing guns with right wingers is difficult. Someone’s asking questions out of sincere curiousity and your response is to shut down the discussion, not expand it. 

I made the assumption that since the antis are always telling me how much training should be needed it was obvious that in order to be trained you'd have to use real ammo.

You can't really train things like marksmanship with paintballs.

She wasn't talking about training.

Ugh, that ban wasn't very long at all.

Is that what you want for people that you don't agree with?

Awful boring place to be.

Nope, just you.

You spend your time in awful boring places? Weird.

No, I prefer to have discussions from many points of view, not just those that I agree with.  I would also never request that someone be banned either.  

But you don't want to have a discussion with someone you deem a 'leftist'. Make up your mind

I'm here aren't I?  Demanding that I go along with a ban is not a discussion.

Gern Blansten said:

unsung said:

Gern Blansten said:

unsung said:

Narrative: Fuck the NRA, they have blood on their hands.

Reality: Feds blew the background check, shooter stopped by NRA member.


I actually hate that I have to defend the NRA.  I'd never send them a dollar.

I don't think many people have issues with NRA members.  The NRA members are much more reasonable then the NRA leadership.

Wayne LaPierre should be beaten to death publicly.  He is an absolute piece of shit and I can't imagine that subsequent leaders of the NRA will be as evil as that piece of shit.

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2015/mar/18/lena-taylor/most-nra-members-back-background-checks-all-gun-pu/

The majority of NRA members actually hold what you would consider "liberal" views toward gun registration and licensing.

Careful, I got 30 days for speaking ill of someone's impending death, you certainly should not be advocating murder.

You were celebrating the impending death of a national hero.  I'm talking about an evil piece of shit.

RYME said:

Gern Blansten said:

RYME said:

My point is that a guy that was sitting in his living room next door to the church minding his own business without shoes on came out and ended the threat because he was armed and knew what he was doing and took action.
Back to my other question.  A lot of people want to paint at the NRA as an evil entity. I am an NRA member. How many National Rifle Association members are mass shooters?  Which one of these Mass Shooters is an NRA member? My point is NRA members are not the people you need to worry about. By and large we are law-abiding citizens who mind our own business.

How many mass shooters are not gun owners?  

How many more people would this attacker have killed if this guy didn't come out from his house and do something about it?

jnimhaoileoin said:

Gern Blansten said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

mace1229 said:

And to answer your question, no its not because they can kill. Its just fun. Why aremodel rockets fun? I dont know, they just are. its fun to light a rocket and watch it launch hundreds of feet up. Its fun to shoot clay targets and watch them shatter when you hit them.Most of my guns are .22, essentially the smallest caliber, so it isnt about killing capabilities. 
Which I guess is why I'm okay with a lot of gun restrictions. I can still target shoot with smaller magazine limits, I can wait 10 days before shooting, I can pass a background check. 

Ok, of course bows and arrows were created to kill also but I don't think we need fear their use in mass murders.

I still don't understand why it's important for you to shoot with live rounds. Would it be less fun for you to shoot with a paint ball or even some kind of rubber bullet?

I'm genuinely trying to understand this gun culture that is so alien to me

When discussing mass murder with a leftist it is so hard to take them seriously.

And this is why discussing guns with right wingers is difficult. Someone’s asking questions out of sincere curiousity and your response is to shut down the discussion, not expand it. 

I made the assumption that since the antis are always telling me how much training should be needed it was obvious that in order to be trained you'd have to use real ammo.

You can't really train things like marksmanship with paintballs.

Marksmanship?  

I don't see a need to train gun owners on marksmanship.  That's the military's job

Exactly

Gern Blansten said:

jeffbr said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

Gern Blansten said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

mace1229 said:

And to answer your question, no its not because they can kill. Its just fun. Why aremodel rockets fun? I dont know, they just are. its fun to light a rocket and watch it launch hundreds of feet up. Its fun to shoot clay targets and watch them shatter when you hit them.Most of my guns are .22, essentially the smallest caliber, so it isnt about killing capabilities. 
Which I guess is why I'm okay with a lot of gun restrictions. I can still target shoot with smaller magazine limits, I can wait 10 days before shooting, I can pass a background check. 

Ok, of course bows and arrows were created to kill also but I don't think we need fear their use in mass murders.

I still don't understand why it's important for you to shoot with live rounds. Would it be less fun for you to shoot with a paint ball or even some kind of rubber bullet?

I'm genuinely trying to understand this gun culture that is so alien to me

When discussing mass murder with a leftist it is so hard to take them seriously.

And this is why discussing guns with right wingers is difficult. Someone’s asking questions out of sincere curiousity and your response is to shut down the discussion, not expand it. 

I made the assumption that since the antis are always telling me how much training should be needed it was obvious that in order to be trained you'd have to use real ammo.

You can't really train things like marksmanship with paintballs.

Marksmanship?  

I don't see a need to train gun owners on marksmanship.  That's the military's job

Exactly

Not exactly. I personally hope that all gun owners are able to hit what they're aiming at. I don't understand why someone would downplay the need to be proficient with whatever tool you're using.

The inference was that people should be required to be trained with marksmanship.  Yes, I understand the need/desire for a hunter to want to practice his/her shot.

I was referring to the idea that those in favor of gun control/registration/licensing, etc. would require marksmanship training.  I, for one, don't really care if you are a good shot.  I just believe you should have proper instruction on how to handle and store the weapon before you get a license.  Kind of like how we require people to learn traffic laws before we give them a driver's license.