America's Gun Violence

jnimhaoileoin · November 2017

unsung said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

mace1229 said:

And to answer your question, no its not because they can kill. Its just fun. Why aremodel rockets fun? I dont know, they just are. its fun to light a rocket and watch it launch hundreds of feet up. Its fun to shoot clay targets and watch them shatter when you hit them.Most of my guns are .22, essentially the smallest caliber, so it isnt about killing capabilities.
Which I guess is why I'm okay with a lot of gun restrictions. I can still target shoot with smaller magazine limits, I can wait 10 days before shooting, I can pass a background check.

Ok, of course bows and arrows were created to kill also but I don't think we need fear their use in mass murders.

I still don't understand why it's important for you to shoot with live rounds. Would it be less fun for you to shoot with a paint ball or even some kind of rubber bullet?

I'm genuinely trying to understand this gun culture that is so alien to me

When discussing mass murder with a leftist it is so hard to take them seriously.

What the fuck are you talking about?

PJ_Soul · November 2017

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

mace1229 said:

And to answer your question, no its not because they can kill. Its just fun. Why aremodel rockets fun? I dont know, they just are. its fun to light a rocket and watch it launch hundreds of feet up. Its fun to shoot clay targets and watch them shatter when you hit them.Most of my guns are .22, essentially the smallest caliber, so it isnt about killing capabilities.
Which I guess is why I'm okay with a lot of gun restrictions. I can still target shoot with smaller magazine limits, I can wait 10 days before shooting, I can pass a background check.

Ok, of course bows and arrows were created to kill also but I don't think we need fear their use in mass murders.

I still don't understand why it's important for you to shoot with live rounds. Would it be less fun for you to shoot with a paint ball or even some kind of rubber bullet?

I'm genuinely trying to understand this gun culture that is so alien to me

When discussing mass murder with a leftist it is so hard to take them seriously.

And this is why discussing guns with right wingers is difficult. Someone’s asking questions out of sincere curiousity and your response is to shut down the discussion, not expand it.

I made the assumption that since the antis are always telling me how much training should be needed it was obvious that in order to be trained you'd have to use real ammo.

You can't really train things like marksmanship with paintballs.

She wasn't talking about training.

Ugh, that ban wasn't very long at all.

Gern Blansten · November 2017

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

mace1229 said:

And to answer your question, no its not because they can kill. Its just fun. Why aremodel rockets fun? I dont know, they just are. its fun to light a rocket and watch it launch hundreds of feet up. Its fun to shoot clay targets and watch them shatter when you hit them.Most of my guns are .22, essentially the smallest caliber, so it isnt about killing capabilities.
Which I guess is why I'm okay with a lot of gun restrictions. I can still target shoot with smaller magazine limits, I can wait 10 days before shooting, I can pass a background check.

Ok, of course bows and arrows were created to kill also but I don't think we need fear their use in mass murders.

I still don't understand why it's important for you to shoot with live rounds. Would it be less fun for you to shoot with a paint ball or even some kind of rubber bullet?

I'm genuinely trying to understand this gun culture that is so alien to me

When discussing mass murder with a leftist it is so hard to take them seriously.

And this is why discussing guns with right wingers is difficult. Someone’s asking questions out of sincere curiousity and your response is to shut down the discussion, not expand it.

I made the assumption that since the antis are always telling me how much training should be needed it was obvious that in order to be trained you'd have to use real ammo.

You can't really train things like marksmanship with paintballs.

Marksmanship?

I don't see a need to train gun owners on marksmanship. That's the military's job

unsung · November 2017

PJ_Soul said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

mace1229 said:

And to answer your question, no its not because they can kill. Its just fun. Why aremodel rockets fun? I dont know, they just are. its fun to light a rocket and watch it launch hundreds of feet up. Its fun to shoot clay targets and watch them shatter when you hit them.Most of my guns are .22, essentially the smallest caliber, so it isnt about killing capabilities.
Which I guess is why I'm okay with a lot of gun restrictions. I can still target shoot with smaller magazine limits, I can wait 10 days before shooting, I can pass a background check.

Ok, of course bows and arrows were created to kill also but I don't think we need fear their use in mass murders.

I still don't understand why it's important for you to shoot with live rounds. Would it be less fun for you to shoot with a paint ball or even some kind of rubber bullet?

I'm genuinely trying to understand this gun culture that is so alien to me

When discussing mass murder with a leftist it is so hard to take them seriously.

And this is why discussing guns with right wingers is difficult. Someone’s asking questions out of sincere curiousity and your response is to shut down the discussion, not expand it.

I made the assumption that since the antis are always telling me how much training should be needed it was obvious that in order to be trained you'd have to use real ammo.

You can't really train things like marksmanship with paintballs.

She wasn't talking about training.

Ugh, that ban wasn't very long at all.

Is that what you want for people that you don't agree with?

Awful boring place to be.

unsung · November 2017

Gern Blansten said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

mace1229 said:

And to answer your question, no its not because they can kill. Its just fun. Why aremodel rockets fun? I dont know, they just are. its fun to light a rocket and watch it launch hundreds of feet up. Its fun to shoot clay targets and watch them shatter when you hit them.Most of my guns are .22, essentially the smallest caliber, so it isnt about killing capabilities.
Which I guess is why I'm okay with a lot of gun restrictions. I can still target shoot with smaller magazine limits, I can wait 10 days before shooting, I can pass a background check.

Ok, of course bows and arrows were created to kill also but I don't think we need fear their use in mass murders.

I still don't understand why it's important for you to shoot with live rounds. Would it be less fun for you to shoot with a paint ball or even some kind of rubber bullet?

I'm genuinely trying to understand this gun culture that is so alien to me

When discussing mass murder with a leftist it is so hard to take them seriously.

And this is why discussing guns with right wingers is difficult. Someone’s asking questions out of sincere curiousity and your response is to shut down the discussion, not expand it.

I made the assumption that since the antis are always telling me how much training should be needed it was obvious that in order to be trained you'd have to use real ammo.

You can't really train things like marksmanship with paintballs.

Marksmanship?

I don't see a need to train gun owners on marksmanship. That's the military's job

So no training is needed now?

Gern Blansten · November 2017

RYME said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

RYME said:

And who was it that stopped the attacker from killing even more people in Texas?
A law abiding citizen NRA instructor.
How many of these Mass shooters are NRA members?
Serious question

I thought it was because he ran out of ammo, having fired 450 rounds, why else did he stop and come outside, where he was confronted by the guy who shot him? Too bad he couldn’t have carried 1000 rounds, I guess?

He exchanged fire with the guy who was able to slip a bullet in between the body armor pices the attacker had on.
He also grabbed the attacker's attention away from shooting more people, because he (the armed citizen) became the immediate threat to him. That bullet wound that went in between the body Armour layers is what did the attacker in.

Actually the bullet he put into his own head is what did him in

PJ_Soul · November 2017

unsung said:

PJ_Soul said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

mace1229 said:

And to answer your question, no its not because they can kill. Its just fun. Why aremodel rockets fun? I dont know, they just are. its fun to light a rocket and watch it launch hundreds of feet up. Its fun to shoot clay targets and watch them shatter when you hit them.Most of my guns are .22, essentially the smallest caliber, so it isnt about killing capabilities.
Which I guess is why I'm okay with a lot of gun restrictions. I can still target shoot with smaller magazine limits, I can wait 10 days before shooting, I can pass a background check.

Ok, of course bows and arrows were created to kill also but I don't think we need fear their use in mass murders.

I still don't understand why it's important for you to shoot with live rounds. Would it be less fun for you to shoot with a paint ball or even some kind of rubber bullet?

I'm genuinely trying to understand this gun culture that is so alien to me

When discussing mass murder with a leftist it is so hard to take them seriously.

And this is why discussing guns with right wingers is difficult. Someone’s asking questions out of sincere curiousity and your response is to shut down the discussion, not expand it.

I made the assumption that since the antis are always telling me how much training should be needed it was obvious that in order to be trained you'd have to use real ammo.

You can't really train things like marksmanship with paintballs.

She wasn't talking about training.

Ugh, that ban wasn't very long at all.

Is that what you want for people that you don't agree with?

Awful boring place to be.

Nope, just you.

You spend your time in awful boring places? Weird.

jnimhaoileoin · November 2017

unsung said:

PJ_Soul said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

mace1229 said:

And to answer your question, no its not because they can kill. Its just fun. Why aremodel rockets fun? I dont know, they just are. its fun to light a rocket and watch it launch hundreds of feet up. Its fun to shoot clay targets and watch them shatter when you hit them.Most of my guns are .22, essentially the smallest caliber, so it isnt about killing capabilities.
Which I guess is why I'm okay with a lot of gun restrictions. I can still target shoot with smaller magazine limits, I can wait 10 days before shooting, I can pass a background check.

Ok, of course bows and arrows were created to kill also but I don't think we need fear their use in mass murders.

I still don't understand why it's important for you to shoot with live rounds. Would it be less fun for you to shoot with a paint ball or even some kind of rubber bullet?

I'm genuinely trying to understand this gun culture that is so alien to me

When discussing mass murder with a leftist it is so hard to take them seriously.

And this is why discussing guns with right wingers is difficult. Someone’s asking questions out of sincere curiousity and your response is to shut down the discussion, not expand it.

I made the assumption that since the antis are always telling me how much training should be needed it was obvious that in order to be trained you'd have to use real ammo.

You can't really train things like marksmanship with paintballs.

She wasn't talking about training.

Ugh, that ban wasn't very long at all.

Is that what you want for people that you don't agree with?

Awful boring place to be.

unsung said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

mace1229 said:

No, we want civility and respect, is that too much to ask?

unsung · November 2017

Narrative: Fuck the NRA, they have blood on their hands.

Reality: Feds blew the background check, shooter stopped by NRA member.

I actually hate that I have to defend the NRA. I'd never send them a dollar.

jnimhaoileoin · November 2017

Gern Blansten said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

mace1229 said:

And to answer your question, no its not because they can kill. Its just fun. Why aremodel rockets fun? I dont know, they just are. its fun to light a rocket and watch it launch hundreds of feet up. Its fun to shoot clay targets and watch them shatter when you hit them.Most of my guns are .22, essentially the smallest caliber, so it isnt about killing capabilities.
Which I guess is why I'm okay with a lot of gun restrictions. I can still target shoot with smaller magazine limits, I can wait 10 days before shooting, I can pass a background check.

Ok, of course bows and arrows were created to kill also but I don't think we need fear their use in mass murders.

I still don't understand why it's important for you to shoot with live rounds. Would it be less fun for you to shoot with a paint ball or even some kind of rubber bullet?

I'm genuinely trying to understand this gun culture that is so alien to me

When discussing mass murder with a leftist it is so hard to take them seriously.

And this is why discussing guns with right wingers is difficult. Someone’s asking questions out of sincere curiousity and your response is to shut down the discussion, not expand it.

I made the assumption that since the antis are always telling me how much training should be needed it was obvious that in order to be trained you'd have to use real ammo.

You can't really train things like marksmanship with paintballs.

Marksmanship?

I don't see a need to train gun owners on marksmanship. That's the military's job

Exactly

unsung · November 2017

PJ_Soul said:

unsung said:

PJ_Soul said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

mace1229 said:

And to answer your question, no its not because they can kill. Its just fun. Why aremodel rockets fun? I dont know, they just are. its fun to light a rocket and watch it launch hundreds of feet up. Its fun to shoot clay targets and watch them shatter when you hit them.Most of my guns are .22, essentially the smallest caliber, so it isnt about killing capabilities.
Which I guess is why I'm okay with a lot of gun restrictions. I can still target shoot with smaller magazine limits, I can wait 10 days before shooting, I can pass a background check.

Ok, of course bows and arrows were created to kill also but I don't think we need fear their use in mass murders.

I still don't understand why it's important for you to shoot with live rounds. Would it be less fun for you to shoot with a paint ball or even some kind of rubber bullet?

I'm genuinely trying to understand this gun culture that is so alien to me

When discussing mass murder with a leftist it is so hard to take them seriously.

And this is why discussing guns with right wingers is difficult. Someone’s asking questions out of sincere curiousity and your response is to shut down the discussion, not expand it.

I made the assumption that since the antis are always telling me how much training should be needed it was obvious that in order to be trained you'd have to use real ammo.

You can't really train things like marksmanship with paintballs.

She wasn't talking about training.

Ugh, that ban wasn't very long at all.

Is that what you want for people that you don't agree with?

Awful boring place to be.

Nope, just you.

You spend your time in awful boring places? Weird.

No, I prefer to have discussions from many points of view, not just those that I agree with. I would also never request that someone be banned either.

PJ_Soul · November 2017

unsung said:

Narrative: Fuck the NRA, they have blood on their hands.

Reality: Feds blew the background check, shooter stopped by NRA member.

I actually hate that I have to defend the NRA. I'd never send them a dollar.

So you think because an NRA member does something helpful we need to suddenly like the NRA?
Why do you suddenly feel the need to defend the NRA?

HughFreakingDillon · November 2017

unsung said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

some people just need to get their daily dose of "I feel superior" instead of contributing to the actual conversation.

How about this for contribution.

Let's go shooting. We can go to a range and it'll be on my dime. We can go over all safety aspects and squeeze off a few rounds.

predictable response.

and, um, no thanks. I don't want to squeeze anything off with you.

jnimhaoileoin · November 2017

unsung said:

PJ_Soul said:

unsung said:

PJ_Soul said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

mace1229 said:

And to answer your question, no its not because they can kill. Its just fun. Why aremodel rockets fun? I dont know, they just are. its fun to light a rocket and watch it launch hundreds of feet up. Its fun to shoot clay targets and watch them shatter when you hit them.Most of my guns are .22, essentially the smallest caliber, so it isnt about killing capabilities.
Which I guess is why I'm okay with a lot of gun restrictions. I can still target shoot with smaller magazine limits, I can wait 10 days before shooting, I can pass a background check.

Ok, of course bows and arrows were created to kill also but I don't think we need fear their use in mass murders.

I still don't understand why it's important for you to shoot with live rounds. Would it be less fun for you to shoot with a paint ball or even some kind of rubber bullet?

I'm genuinely trying to understand this gun culture that is so alien to me

When discussing mass murder with a leftist it is so hard to take them seriously.

And this is why discussing guns with right wingers is difficult. Someone’s asking questions out of sincere curiousity and your response is to shut down the discussion, not expand it.

I made the assumption that since the antis are always telling me how much training should be needed it was obvious that in order to be trained you'd have to use real ammo.

You can't really train things like marksmanship with paintballs.

She wasn't talking about training.

Ugh, that ban wasn't very long at all.

Is that what you want for people that you don't agree with?

Awful boring place to be.

Nope, just you.

You spend your time in awful boring places? Weird.

No, I prefer to have discussions from many points of view, not just those that I agree with. I would also never request that someone be banned either.

But you don't want to have a discussion with someone you deem a 'leftist'. Make up your mind

unsung · November 2017

Because I don't like the NRA, but they are not at fault. The NRA is actually partly responsible for most of the gun control in this country.

Gern Blansten · November 2017

unsung said:

Narrative: Fuck the NRA, they have blood on their hands.

Reality: Feds blew the background check, shooter stopped by NRA member.

I actually hate that I have to defend the NRA. I'd never send them a dollar.

I don't think many people have issues with NRA members. The NRA members are much more reasonable then the NRA leadership.

Wayne LaPierre should be beaten to death publicly. He is an absolute piece of shit and I can't imagine that subsequent leaders of the NRA will be as evil as that piece of shit.

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2015/mar/18/lena-taylor/most-nra-members-back-background-checks-all-gun-pu/

The majority of NRA members actually hold what you would consider "liberal" views toward gun registration and licensing.

unsung · November 2017

jnimhaoileoin said:

unsung said:

PJ_Soul said:

unsung said:

PJ_Soul said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

mace1229 said:

And to answer your question, no its not because they can kill. Its just fun. Why aremodel rockets fun? I dont know, they just are. its fun to light a rocket and watch it launch hundreds of feet up. Its fun to shoot clay targets and watch them shatter when you hit them.Most of my guns are .22, essentially the smallest caliber, so it isnt about killing capabilities.
Which I guess is why I'm okay with a lot of gun restrictions. I can still target shoot with smaller magazine limits, I can wait 10 days before shooting, I can pass a background check.

Ok, of course bows and arrows were created to kill also but I don't think we need fear their use in mass murders.

I still don't understand why it's important for you to shoot with live rounds. Would it be less fun for you to shoot with a paint ball or even some kind of rubber bullet?

I'm genuinely trying to understand this gun culture that is so alien to me

When discussing mass murder with a leftist it is so hard to take them seriously.

And this is why discussing guns with right wingers is difficult. Someone’s asking questions out of sincere curiousity and your response is to shut down the discussion, not expand it.

I made the assumption that since the antis are always telling me how much training should be needed it was obvious that in order to be trained you'd have to use real ammo.

You can't really train things like marksmanship with paintballs.

She wasn't talking about training.

Ugh, that ban wasn't very long at all.

Is that what you want for people that you don't agree with?

Awful boring place to be.

Nope, just you.

You spend your time in awful boring places? Weird.

No, I prefer to have discussions from many points of view, not just those that I agree with. I would also never request that someone be banned either.

But you don't want to have a discussion with someone you deem a 'leftist'. Make up your mind

I'm here aren't I? Demanding that I go along with a ban is not a discussion.

RYME · November 2017

Gern Blansten said:

RYME said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

RYME said:

And who was it that stopped the attacker from killing even more people in Texas?
A law abiding citizen NRA instructor.
How many of these Mass shooters are NRA members?
Serious question

I thought it was because he ran out of ammo, having fired 450 rounds, why else did he stop and come outside, where he was confronted by the guy who shot him? Too bad he couldn’t have carried 1000 rounds, I guess?

He exchanged fire with the guy who was able to slip a bullet in between the body armor pices the attacker had on.
He also grabbed the attacker's attention away from shooting more people, because he (the armed citizen) became the immediate threat to him. That bullet wound that went in between the body Armour layers is what did the attacker in.

Actually the bullet he put into his own head is what did him in

Okay the Torso shot would have done him in anyway he just ended it quicker once he knew he was caught and done.

PJ_Soul · November 2017

unsung said:

Because I don't like the NRA, but they are not at fault. The NRA is actually partly responsible for most of the gun control in this country.

Not at fault for what? This particular fuck up by the Air Force? No, they aren't, and nobody said they were directly responsible for that. You just conjured that tack out of thin air. But that changes absolutely nothing. The NRA are still at fault for the same things they've always been at fault for.

HughFreakingDillon · November 2017

unsung said:

Narrative: Fuck the NRA, they have blood on their hands.

Reality: Feds blew the background check, shooter stopped by NRA member.

I actually hate that I have to defend the NRA. I'd never send them a dollar.

so you all finally have your "good guy with a gun" and "the laws in place didn't work" scenario to fall back on. Bravo. So let's all stop talking about the problem, because hey, it's obviously not a gun problem, right? No sirree....it's a mental health problem now! As described by the narcissist in chief himself. which is bogus and the studies show it.

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