America's Gun Violence

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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    PJPOWER said:
    dignin said:
    Those bad ass angry violent leftists.

    I remember when those antifa thugs brought all their guns to Charlottesville to intimidate those poor Nazis, even fired some shots at the crowd of defenseless Nazis.

    And then that leftist punk ran that women over with his car.

    I'm sure that's how it went down.
    Speaking of which, what happened to both of these groups?  Weren’t they supposed to duke it out again this past weekend?  

    The whole start of the next civil war thing? Big, bad leftists beheading the snowflakes on the right? Just alt-right propaganda. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    here's a great article on the subject:

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/06/health/guns-mental-health-texas-trump/index.html

    from the article:

    Instead of policies that restrict gun access based solely on mental illness diagnoses or because a person has made contact with the judicial system or health care agencies due to mental illness, the American Psychological Association, the National Alliance on Mental Illness and other advocacy groups have called for gun access criteria based on more subtle indicators of potentially dangerous behavior.
    Those indicators -- such as having past or pending violent misdemeanor convictions or charges, domestic violence restraining orders or multiple DUI convictions -- have been largely informed by the work of Swanson and others.

    Swanson supports intervention at the point of purchase through comprehensive background checks -- but to make background checks work, criteria for inclusion on the database should be based on other indicators of risk besides mental health history, such as those indicators of aggressive, impulsive or risky behavior.

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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    the last two pages is part and parcel of why nothing gets done in the US regarding any fucking problem at all. no one can have a level headed, open, factual conversation anymore. it's all "I ain't budging an inch!". everything is "that side is wrong". 

    Mental health checks won't solve anything on their own. if you have those in place, people will stop getting the help they need so they won't lose their second amendment rights. 

    new gun laws won't do it on their own because there are already so many guns out there. it will take generations of the guns in the system to break down for that to make a difference. restrictions should be put in place, but thinking that would be an immediate fix is wishful. 

    education at the very basic level needs to be implemented. what kind? not sure. if you go down the "respect all life" road, you are reopening the religion in schools debate. if you go down the "guns are bad" road, you are going to have the gun lobby breathing down the neck of all politicians and those programs won't get funding. if you go down the "gun safety" road, you are going to have people like me screaming to not encourage gun usage to kids. 

    anyone have any logical, multi-faceted approach that they think might honestly work? anything they've read about?


    To the bolded part:

    Yes. There would be no immediate fix. The problem is profound. But... I think the general idea which should be endorsed is meaningful legislation that gives the next generation of Americans an opportunity to worry less about these types of events.

    There has to be a sacrifice of some sort. Young American men died in Europe to ensure quality of life for future generations (cue asinine 'they did it to protect the constitution which says I have the right to...' comments). One's life is quite a price to pay- it's much steeper than conceding a machine gun so you can't shoot shit with it.

    It's selfishness (wilful ignorance) or sheer stupidity. Pure and simple.

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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    The thing about it is that there are laws in place that would have totally made it more difficult for this douchbag to get his gun.  The air force fucked up by not following through with their reporting requirements that would have flagged him when he tried to purchase one.  I read somewhere that he had been denied a CCW, but this was someone that a lot of people knew was fucked up well beyond others that are probably denied the right to purchase firearms.  The government literally failed the people by not reporting this guy...will probably see a number of law suites regarding this in the following days.
  • HughFreakingDillon
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    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    the last two pages is part and parcel of why nothing gets done in the US regarding any fucking problem at all. no one can have a level headed, open, factual conversation anymore. it's all "I ain't budging an inch!". everything is "that side is wrong". 

    Mental health checks won't solve anything on their own. if you have those in place, people will stop getting the help they need so they won't lose their second amendment rights. 

    new gun laws won't do it on their own because there are already so many guns out there. it will take generations of the guns in the system to break down for that to make a difference. restrictions should be put in place, but thinking that would be an immediate fix is wishful. 

    education at the very basic level needs to be implemented. what kind? not sure. if you go down the "respect all life" road, you are reopening the religion in schools debate. if you go down the "guns are bad" road, you are going to have the gun lobby breathing down the neck of all politicians and those programs won't get funding. if you go down the "gun safety" road, you are going to have people like me screaming to not encourage gun usage to kids. 

    anyone have any logical, multi-faceted approach that they think might honestly work? anything they've read about?


    To the bolded part:

    Yes. There would be no immediate fix. The problem is profound. But... I think the general idea which should be endorsed is meaningful legislation that gives the next generation of Americans an opportunity to worry less about these types of events.

    There has to be a sacrifice of some sort. Young American men died in Europe to ensure quality of life for future generations (cue asinine 'they did it to protect the constitution which says I have the right to...' comments). One's life is quite a price to pay- it's much steeper than conceding a machine gun so you can't shoot shit with it.

    It's selfishness (wilful ignorance) or sheer stupidity. Pure and simple.

    Trump. Guns. Nazis.

    Nice country!  
    yes, that was my point, that it will take a long freaking time to get any meaningful, tangible change to be witnessed. my fear would be that we'd head to place of progress (which we won't), with some consensus on change, and if no real change was seen in, say, 10 years, that would get reversed and we'd be right back to where we started. 
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  • PJPOWER
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    oftenreading said:
    PJPOWER said:
    dignin said:
    Those bad ass angry violent leftists.

    I remember when those antifa thugs brought all their guns to Charlottesville to intimidate those poor Nazis, even fired some shots at the crowd of defenseless Nazis.

    And then that leftist punk ran that women over with his car.

    I'm sure that's how it went down.
    Speaking of which, what happened to both of these groups?  Weren’t they supposed to duke it out again this past weekend?  

    The whole start of the next civil war thing? Big, bad leftists beheading the snowflakes on the right? Just alt-right propaganda. 
    Maybe so, there were like 30 people that showed up to the Austin rally...no momentum whatsoever.
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    PJPOWER said:
    oftenreading said:
    PJPOWER said:
    dignin said:
    Those bad ass angry violent leftists.

    I remember when those antifa thugs brought all their guns to Charlottesville to intimidate those poor Nazis, even fired some shots at the crowd of defenseless Nazis.

    And then that leftist punk ran that women over with his car.

    I'm sure that's how it went down.
    Speaking of which, what happened to both of these groups?  Weren’t they supposed to duke it out again this past weekend?  

    The whole start of the next civil war thing? Big, bad leftists beheading the snowflakes on the right? Just alt-right propaganda. 
    Maybe so, there were like 30 people that showed up to the Austin rally...no momentum whatsoever.

    Rallies went ahead in 20 cities. Hundreds of peaceful participants in many, like LA. No beheadings.

    This article talks about the alt-right manufactured this story

    http://time.com/5008829/antifa-november-4-rumors/

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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    PJPOWER said:
    The thing about it is that there are laws in place that would have totally made it more difficult for this douchbag to get his gun.  The air force fucked up by not following through with their reporting requirements that would have flagged him when he tried to purchase one.  I read somewhere that he had been denied a CCW, but this was someone that a lot of people knew was fucked up well beyond others that are probably denied the right to purchase firearms.  The government literally failed the people by not reporting this guy...will probably see a number of law suites regarding this in the following days.

    Come on.

    If the 'government failed the people'... it failed well before a clerical error. Kowtowing to the NRA and like-minded idiots is your government's error.
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited November 2017
    oftenreading said:
    PJPOWER said:
    oftenreading said:
    PJPOWER said:
    dignin said:
    Those bad ass angry violent leftists.

    I remember when those antifa thugs brought all their guns to Charlottesville to intimidate those poor Nazis, even fired some shots at the crowd of defenseless Nazis.

    And then that leftist punk ran that women over with his car.

    I'm sure that's how it went down.
    Speaking of which, what happened to both of these groups?  Weren’t they supposed to duke it out again this past weekend?  

    The whole start of the next civil war thing? Big, bad leftists beheading the snowflakes on the right? Just alt-right propaganda. 
    Maybe so, there were like 30 people that showed up to the Austin rally...no momentum whatsoever.

    Rallies went ahead in 20 cities. Hundreds of peaceful participants in many, like LA. No beheadings.

    This article talks about the alt-right manufactured this story

    http://time.com/5008829/antifa-november-4-rumors/

    It was a laughable premise anyway.  They obviously do not have the numbers to start a “civil war”.  Just saying that the group (Antifa) in general seems to have lost any momentum that they had.
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    Bentleyspop said:
    Massachusetts gets it....


    LOL
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,159
    unsung said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Massachusetts gets it....


    LOL
    Guess you didn't look at the map of mass shootings too closely. LOL. Ignorance is bliss.
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  • unsung
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    PJPOWER said:
    oftenreading said:
    PJPOWER said:
    dignin said:
    Those bad ass angry violent leftists.

    I remember when those antifa thugs brought all their guns to Charlottesville to intimidate those poor Nazis, even fired some shots at the crowd of defenseless Nazis.

    And then that leftist punk ran that women over with his car.

    I'm sure that's how it went down.
    Speaking of which, what happened to both of these groups?  Weren’t they supposed to duke it out again this past weekend?  

    The whole start of the next civil war thing? Big, bad leftists beheading the snowflakes on the right? Just alt-right propaganda. 
    Maybe so, there were like 30 people that showed up to the Austin rally...no momentum whatsoever.
    Were these the antifa terrorists or just normies?
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,549
    PJPOWER said:
    oftenreading said:
    PJPOWER said:
    oftenreading said:
    PJPOWER said:
    dignin said:
    Those bad ass angry violent leftists.

    I remember when those antifa thugs brought all their guns to Charlottesville to intimidate those poor Nazis, even fired some shots at the crowd of defenseless Nazis.

    And then that leftist punk ran that women over with his car.

    I'm sure that's how it went down.
    Speaking of which, what happened to both of these groups?  Weren’t they supposed to duke it out again this past weekend?  

    The whole start of the next civil war thing? Big, bad leftists beheading the snowflakes on the right? Just alt-right propaganda. 
    Maybe so, there were like 30 people that showed up to the Austin rally...no momentum whatsoever.

    Rallies went ahead in 20 cities. Hundreds of peaceful participants in many, like LA. No beheadings.

    This article talks about the alt-right manufactured this story

    http://time.com/5008829/antifa-november-4-rumors/

    It was a laughable premise anyway.  They obviously do not have the numbers to start a “civil war”.  Just saying that the group (Antifa) in general seems to have lost any momentum that they had.
    Mueller seems to have a lot of momentum.
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,178
    PJPOWER said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    unsung said:
    tbergs said:
    unsung said:
    tbergs said:
    unsung said:
    tbergs said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Aurora: AR-15
    Orlando: AR-15
    Las Vegas: AR-15
    Sandy Hook: AR-15
    Umpqua CC: AR-15
    San Bernardino: AR-15
    Sutherland Springs: AR-15

    Nothing can be done.
    Well, one state made it illegal to own a bump stock with your pretty AR killing device.

    Is there anybody on here opposed to the ban of owning AR-15 style assault rifles outside of LE and military?
    Yes.

    You can't even get the terminology correct.

    Besides I have been hearing non-stop for a year how "literally Hitler" was elected President, and now those people want "literally Hitler" to be the one in control of all firearms.

    Why do you want to give "literally Hitler" oh and the white supremacist and racist and apparently woman abusing and Russian colluder so much control?
    Ok. My apologies. I haven't fired an AR or its like in about 10 years. What is the correct terminology you would like me to use? You have lots of criticism, but no answers or suggestions. Only Mace seems to be able to provide some sort of reasonable discussion points.
    Have you ever shot one?

    If not, I will take you out to a range and introduce you to one.  I can then go over terminology and show you how it operates, including breaking it down and re-assembling it.
    Yeah, did you read my answer? It's been about 9 years. I shot it several thousand times and was qualified with it before that. A crack shot with it. I could break it down and put it back together no problems. That's what I did.

    Again, do you have any other suggestions. A civilian has no need to own an AR or other types of semi-auto assault rifles. Fear is the only reason no one is willing to give up these types of guns. Don't worry, we'll all die of lack of water and tillable land before the government comes for your guns. You will probably need your gun to protect your bunker of supplies from the raving masses of starving and thirsty.

    Reminds me of this beautiful song;
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj-10lIrboM

    Clearly yesterday proved that we need them, in order to stop bad people from harming others.

    Thankfully it isn't the Bill of Needs.  Thankfully I don't need someone telling me what I do or don't.

    You asked me what my terminology was, that lead me to believe your experience was not vast.  My terminology is what it actually is, not what the media says it is.
    pretty sure that guy didn't have an assault weapon
    Just following up:
    http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/11/robert-farago/sutherland-springs-good-guy-gun-stephen-willeford-got-ar-15-safe-video/
    That's fine....I stand corrected.  I had just heard that he grabbed his "rifle" from a safe which I assumed was just non assault weapon.

    But the important thing to remember is that (while I completely support and commend this guy...for keeping his gun in a safe and for using it) this "good guy with a gun" did not stop the massacre.  We could argue that the shooter may have planned to go somewhere else and continue killing but I doubt that is the case.  It appears that his goal was to kill his mother in law and luckily for her she wasn't at the church.

    The shooter was leaving the scene when he was shot.
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  • Go Beavers
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    PJPOWER said:
    oftenreading said:
    PJPOWER said:
    oftenreading said:
    PJPOWER said:
    dignin said:
    Those bad ass angry violent leftists.

    I remember when those antifa thugs brought all their guns to Charlottesville to intimidate those poor Nazis, even fired some shots at the crowd of defenseless Nazis.

    And then that leftist punk ran that women over with his car.

    I'm sure that's how it went down.
    Speaking of which, what happened to both of these groups?  Weren’t they supposed to duke it out again this past weekend?  

    The whole start of the next civil war thing? Big, bad leftists beheading the snowflakes on the right? Just alt-right propaganda. 
    Maybe so, there were like 30 people that showed up to the Austin rally...no momentum whatsoever.

    Rallies went ahead in 20 cities. Hundreds of peaceful participants in many, like LA. No beheadings.

    This article talks about the alt-right manufactured this story

    http://time.com/5008829/antifa-november-4-rumors/

    It was a laughable premise anyway.  They obviously do not have the numbers to start a “civil war”.  Just saying that the group (Antifa) in general seems to have lost any momentum that they had.
    There's people who totally believe this civil war thing is going to happen. And every time any violence happens, they use that to confirm that it's happening. Kinda weird.
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    Go Beavers said:
    PJPOWER said:
    oftenreading said:
    PJPOWER said:
    oftenreading said:
    PJPOWER said:
    dignin said:
    Those bad ass angry violent leftists.

    I remember when those antifa thugs brought all their guns to Charlottesville to intimidate those poor Nazis, even fired some shots at the crowd of defenseless Nazis.

    And then that leftist punk ran that women over with his car.

    I'm sure that's how it went down.
    Speaking of which, what happened to both of these groups?  Weren’t they supposed to duke it out again this past weekend?  

    The whole start of the next civil war thing? Big, bad leftists beheading the snowflakes on the right? Just alt-right propaganda. 
    Maybe so, there were like 30 people that showed up to the Austin rally...no momentum whatsoever.

    Rallies went ahead in 20 cities. Hundreds of peaceful participants in many, like LA. No beheadings.

    This article talks about the alt-right manufactured this story

    http://time.com/5008829/antifa-november-4-rumors/

    It was a laughable premise anyway.  They obviously do not have the numbers to start a “civil war”.  Just saying that the group (Antifa) in general seems to have lost any momentum that they had.
    Mueller seems to have a lot of momentum.
    Um...that’s cool?
  • Bentleyspop
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    Go Beavers said:
    PJPOWER said:
    oftenreading said:
    PJPOWER said:
    oftenreading said:
    PJPOWER said:
    dignin said:
    Those bad ass angry violent leftists.

    I remember when those antifa thugs brought all their guns to Charlottesville to intimidate those poor Nazis, even fired some shots at the crowd of defenseless Nazis.

    And then that leftist punk ran that women over with his car.

    I'm sure that's how it went down.
    Speaking of which, what happened to both of these groups?  Weren’t they supposed to duke it out again this past weekend?  

    The whole start of the next civil war thing? Big, bad leftists beheading the snowflakes on the right? Just alt-right propaganda. 
    Maybe so, there were like 30 people that showed up to the Austin rally...no momentum whatsoever.

    Rallies went ahead in 20 cities. Hundreds of peaceful participants in many, like LA. No beheadings.

    This article talks about the alt-right manufactured this story

    http://time.com/5008829/antifa-november-4-rumors/

    It was a laughable premise anyway.  They obviously do not have the numbers to start a “civil war”.  Just saying that the group (Antifa) in general seems to have lost any momentum that they had.
    There's people who totally believe this civil war thing is going to happen. And every time any violence happens, they use that to confirm that it's happening. Kinda weird.
    The people who believe that a civil war is coming and that antifa is behind the recent mass shootings are more then likely the same sort of people who believe that President Barack Obama is still going to send in his U.N. troops to take everyones guns.
  • CM189191
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    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:

    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said: 
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:p
    tbergs said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Aurora: AR-15
    Orlando: AR-15
    Las Vegas: AR-15
    Sandy Hook: AR-15
    Umpqua CC: AR-15
    San Bernardino: AR-15
    Sutherland Springs: AR-15

    Nothing can be done.
    Well, one state made it illegal to own a bump stock with your pretty AR killing device.

    Is there anybody on here opposed to the ban of owning AR-15 style assault rifles outside of LE and military?
    Yes.

    You can't even get the terminology correct.

    Besides I have been hearing non-stop for a year how "literally Hitler" was elected President, and now those people want "literally Hitler" to be the one in control of all firearms.

    Why do you want to give "literally Hitler" oh and the white supremacist and racist and apparently woman abusing and Russian colluder so much control?
    every gun
    every owner
    every transfer
    documented

    how's that for terminology
    Already is in my State.

    So how does that stop a bad person from doing bad things?

    it's not about stopping bad people from doing bad things
    it's about restricting the opportunities for bad people to do bad things so easily

    how many times does it have to be explained to you gun-fetishists?  more guns = more gun deaths
    this is not a cultural issue of 'the usa has too many bad people", it's an issue of "the usa has too many guns and gun-nuts"

    less guns, less gun deaths
    it really is that fucking simple, and has been proven the world over.  How is this not sinking in?

    I'd just like to know how you propose doing this?

    "But nobody is calling for a gun ban!"


    edit: the same way they do it in every other modern industrialized nation that seems to make it through the week without a mass shooting

    you act like this is so difficult

    And what way is that?

    I don't act.


    If explain it to you, but you probably wouldn't understand the terminology. 

    Typical conservative. Doesn't realize he's part of the problem. Wants progressives to fix it. 

    It's sad this isn't an act. If you had any sense of shame or embarrassment, now would be the time for you to feel it. 
    I’d never ask a progressive to fix my problems, I handle them myself.
    Alright wise guy, then what's your solution to gun violence?  You seem pretty content with the status quo when that's clearly not working. 
    The law that could have stopped this was there, the Air Force failed to comply.  


    That's not offering a solution. 

    "enforcing existing laws" when existing laws obviously aren't working is a cop out. 

    weak sauce, do better
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    Gern Blansten said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    unsung said:
    tbergs said:
    unsung said:
    tbergs said:
    unsung said:
    tbergs said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Aurora: AR-15
    Orlando: AR-15
    Las Vegas: AR-15
    Sandy Hook: AR-15
    Umpqua CC: AR-15
    San Bernardino: AR-15
    Sutherland Springs: AR-15

    Nothing can be done.
    Well, one state made it illegal to own a bump stock with your pretty AR killing device.

    Is there anybody on here opposed to the ban of owning AR-15 style assault rifles outside of LE and military?
    Yes.

    You can't even get the terminology correct.

    Besides I have been hearing non-stop for a year how "literally Hitler" was elected President, and now those people want "literally Hitler" to be the one in control of all firearms.

    Why do you want to give "literally Hitler" oh and the white supremacist and racist and apparently woman abusing and Russian colluder so much control?
    Ok. My apologies. I haven't fired an AR or its like in about 10 years. What is the correct terminology you would like me to use? You have lots of criticism, but no answers or suggestions. Only Mace seems to be able to provide some sort of reasonable discussion points.
    Have you ever shot one?

    If not, I will take you out to a range and introduce you to one.  I can then go over terminology and show you how it operates, including breaking it down and re-assembling it.
    Yeah, did you read my answer? It's been about 9 years. I shot it several thousand times and was qualified with it before that. A crack shot with it. I could break it down and put it back together no problems. That's what I did.

    Again, do you have any other suggestions. A civilian has no need to own an AR or other types of semi-auto assault rifles. Fear is the only reason no one is willing to give up these types of guns. Don't worry, we'll all die of lack of water and tillable land before the government comes for your guns. You will probably need your gun to protect your bunker of supplies from the raving masses of starving and thirsty.

    Reminds me of this beautiful song;
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj-10lIrboM

    Clearly yesterday proved that we need them, in order to stop bad people from harming others.

    Thankfully it isn't the Bill of Needs.  Thankfully I don't need someone telling me what I do or don't.

    You asked me what my terminology was, that lead me to believe your experience was not vast.  My terminology is what it actually is, not what the media says it is.
    pretty sure that guy didn't have an assault weapon
    Just following up:
    http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/11/robert-farago/sutherland-springs-good-guy-gun-stephen-willeford-got-ar-15-safe-video/
    That's fine....I stand corrected.  I had just heard that he grabbed his "rifle" from a safe which I assumed was just non assault weapon.

    But the important thing to remember is that (while I completely support and commend this guy...for keeping his gun in a safe and for using it) this "good guy with a gun" did not stop the massacre.  We could argue that the shooter may have planned to go somewhere else and continue killing but I doubt that is the case.  It appears that his goal was to kill his mother in law and luckily for her she wasn't at the church.

    The shooter was leaving the scene when he was shot.
    At the very least they stopped him from escaping, no one can know if this was his end game, but he was trying to escape.  The only reasons I can think of why he would try and escape would be to either get away with what he had just done or to continue what he was doing.  From what I have read, he was still shooting at people (outside of the church) when he was shot.  At that moment, he got to experience the pain that he had been inflicting on others.  I’m glad there was a good guy with a gun there to give him a taste of his own medicine.  His control of the situation (whatever his plan was) was ended by a local armed citizen.
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    Aurora: AR-15
    Orlando: AR-15
    Las Vegas: AR-15
    Sandy Hook: AR-15
    Umpqua CC: AR-15
    San Bernardino: AR-15
    Sutherland Springs: AR-15

    Nothing can be done.
    Well, one state made it illegal to own a bump stock with your pretty AR killing device.

    Is there anybody on here opposed to the ban of owning AR-15 style assault rifles outside of LE and military?
    Yes.

    You can't even get the terminology correct.

    Besides I have been hearing non-stop for a year how "literally Hitler" was elected President, and now those people want "literally Hitler" to be the one in control of all firearms.

    Why do you want to give "literally Hitler" oh and the white supremacist and racist and apparently woman abusing and Russian colluder so much control?
    every gun
    every owner
    every transfer
    documented

    how's that for terminology
    Already is in my State.

    So how does that stop a bad person from doing bad things?

    it's not about stopping bad people from doing bad things
    it's about restricting the opportunities for bad people to do bad things so easily

    how many times does it have to be explained to you gun-fetishists?  more guns = more gun deaths
    this is not a cultural issue of 'the usa has too many bad people", it's an issue of "the usa has too many guns and gun-nuts"

    less guns, less gun deaths
    it really is that fucking simple, and has been proven the world over.  How is this not sinking in?

    I'd just like to know how you propose doing this?

    "But nobody is calling for a gun ban!"


    edit: the same way they do it in every other modern industrialized nation that seems to make it through the week without a mass shooting

    you act like this is so difficult

    And what way is that?

    I don't act.


    If explain it to you, but you probably wouldn't understand the terminology. 

    Typical conservative. Doesn't realize he's part of the problem. Wants progressives to fix it. 

    It's sad this isn't an act. If you had any sense of shame or embarrassment, now would be the time for you to feel it. 
    I’d never ask a progressive to fix my problems, I handle them myself.
    Alright wise guy, then what's your solution to gun violence?  You seem pretty content with the status quo when that's clearly not working. 
    Could always ban leftists from owning firearms as most of the violence done in the US today is done by leftists.

    Shouldn't be too much of an issue since you all hate guns anyway.

    BTW, assault any Senators today?
    this is bold-faced lie and you know it is.  why do you continually spout lies that are easily dis-proven? liar
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