America's Gun Violence
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PJPOWER said:Speaking of which, what happened to both of these groups? Weren’t they supposed to duke it out again this past weekend?
The whole start of the next civil war thing? Big, bad leftists beheading the snowflakes on the right? Just alt-right propaganda.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
here's a great article on the subject:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/06/health/guns-mental-health-texas-trump/index.html
from the article:Instead of policies that restrict gun access based solely on mental illness diagnoses or because a person has made contact with the judicial system or health care agencies due to mental illness, the American Psychological Association, the National Alliance on Mental Illness and other advocacy groups have called for gun access criteria based on more subtle indicators of potentially dangerous behavior.Those indicators -- such as having past or pending violent misdemeanor convictions or charges, domestic violence restraining orders or multiple DUI convictions -- have been largely informed by the work of Swanson and others.Swanson supports intervention at the point of purchase through comprehensive background checks -- but to make background checks work, criteria for inclusion on the database should be based on other indicators of risk besides mental health history, such as those indicators of aggressive, impulsive or risky behavior.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
To the bolded part:HughFreakingDillon said:the last two pages is part and parcel of why nothing gets done in the US regarding any fucking problem at all. no one can have a level headed, open, factual conversation anymore. it's all "I ain't budging an inch!". everything is "that side is wrong".
Mental health checks won't solve anything on their own. if you have those in place, people will stop getting the help they need so they won't lose their second amendment rights.
new gun laws won't do it on their own because there are already so many guns out there. it will take generations of the guns in the system to break down for that to make a difference. restrictions should be put in place, but thinking that would be an immediate fix is wishful.
education at the very basic level needs to be implemented. what kind? not sure. if you go down the "respect all life" road, you are reopening the religion in schools debate. if you go down the "guns are bad" road, you are going to have the gun lobby breathing down the neck of all politicians and those programs won't get funding. if you go down the "gun safety" road, you are going to have people like me screaming to not encourage gun usage to kids.
anyone have any logical, multi-faceted approach that they think might honestly work? anything they've read about?
Yes. There would be no immediate fix. The problem is profound. But... I think the general idea which should be endorsed is meaningful legislation that gives the next generation of Americans an opportunity to worry less about these types of events.
There has to be a sacrifice of some sort. Young American men died in Europe to ensure quality of life for future generations (cue asinine 'they did it to protect the constitution which says I have the right to...' comments). One's life is quite a price to pay- it's much steeper than conceding a machine gun so you can't shoot shit with it.
It's selfishness (wilful ignorance) or sheer stupidity. Pure and simple.
Trump. Guns. Nazis.
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The thing about it is that there are laws in place that would have totally made it more difficult for this douchbag to get his gun. The air force fucked up by not following through with their reporting requirements that would have flagged him when he tried to purchase one. I read somewhere that he had been denied a CCW, but this was someone that a lot of people knew was fucked up well beyond others that are probably denied the right to purchase firearms. The government literally failed the people by not reporting this guy...will probably see a number of law suites regarding this in the following days.0
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yes, that was my point, that it will take a long freaking time to get any meaningful, tangible change to be witnessed. my fear would be that we'd head to place of progress (which we won't), with some consensus on change, and if no real change was seen in, say, 10 years, that would get reversed and we'd be right back to where we started.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:To the bolded part:
Yes. There would be no immediate fix. The problem is profound. But... I think the general idea which should be endorsed is meaningful legislation that gives the next generation of Americans an opportunity to worry less about these types of events.
There has to be a sacrifice of some sort. Young American men died in Europe to ensure quality of life for future generations (cue asinine 'they did it to protect the constitution which says I have the right to...' comments). One's life is quite a price to pay- it's much steeper than conceding a machine gun so you can't shoot shit with it.
It's selfishness (wilful ignorance) or sheer stupidity. Pure and simple.
Trump. Guns. Nazis.
Nice country!By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Maybe so, there were like 30 people that showed up to the Austin rally...no momentum whatsoever.oftenreading said:
The whole start of the next civil war thing? Big, bad leftists beheading the snowflakes on the right? Just alt-right propaganda.0 -
PJPOWER said:Maybe so, there were like 30 people that showed up to the Austin rally...no momentum whatsoever.
Rallies went ahead in 20 cities. Hundreds of peaceful participants in many, like LA. No beheadings.
This article talks about the alt-right manufactured this story
http://time.com/5008829/antifa-november-4-rumors/
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PJPOWER said:The thing about it is that there are laws in place that would have totally made it more difficult for this douchbag to get his gun. The air force fucked up by not following through with their reporting requirements that would have flagged him when he tried to purchase one. I read somewhere that he had been denied a CCW, but this was someone that a lot of people knew was fucked up well beyond others that are probably denied the right to purchase firearms. The government literally failed the people by not reporting this guy...will probably see a number of law suites regarding this in the following days.
Come on.
If the 'government failed the people'... it failed well before a clerical error. Kowtowing to the NRA and like-minded idiots is your government's error.
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It was a laughable premise anyway. They obviously do not have the numbers to start a “civil war”. Just saying that the group (Antifa) in general seems to have lost any momentum that they had.oftenreading said:
Rallies went ahead in 20 cities. Hundreds of peaceful participants in many, like LA. No beheadings.
This article talks about the alt-right manufactured this story
http://time.com/5008829/antifa-november-4-rumors/Post edited by PJPOWER on0 -
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Guess you didn't look at the map of mass shootings too closely. LOL. Ignorance is bliss.unsung said:09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Were these the antifa terrorists or just normies?PJPOWER said:Maybe so, there were like 30 people that showed up to the Austin rally...no momentum whatsoever.0 -
Mueller seems to have a lot of momentum.PJPOWER said:It was a laughable premise anyway. They obviously do not have the numbers to start a “civil war”. Just saying that the group (Antifa) in general seems to have lost any momentum that they had.
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That's fine....I stand corrected. I had just heard that he grabbed his "rifle" from a safe which I assumed was just non assault weapon.PJPOWER said:
But the important thing to remember is that (while I completely support and commend this guy...for keeping his gun in a safe and for using it) this "good guy with a gun" did not stop the massacre. We could argue that the shooter may have planned to go somewhere else and continue killing but I doubt that is the case. It appears that his goal was to kill his mother in law and luckily for her she wasn't at the church.
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There's people who totally believe this civil war thing is going to happen. And every time any violence happens, they use that to confirm that it's happening. Kinda weird.PJPOWER said:It was a laughable premise anyway. They obviously do not have the numbers to start a “civil war”. Just saying that the group (Antifa) in general seems to have lost any momentum that they had.
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Um...that’s cool?Go Beavers said:Mueller seems to have a lot of momentum.0 -
The people who believe that a civil war is coming and that antifa is behind the recent mass shootings are more then likely the same sort of people who believe that President Barack Obama is still going to send in his U.N. troops to take everyones guns.Go Beavers said:There's people who totally believe this civil war thing is going to happen. And every time any violence happens, they use that to confirm that it's happening. Kinda weird.0 -
That's not offering a solution.unsung said:The law that could have stopped this was there, the Air Force failed to comply.
"enforcing existing laws" when existing laws obviously aren't working is a cop out.
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At the very least they stopped him from escaping, no one can know if this was his end game, but he was trying to escape. The only reasons I can think of why he would try and escape would be to either get away with what he had just done or to continue what he was doing. From what I have read, he was still shooting at people (outside of the church) when he was shot. At that moment, he got to experience the pain that he had been inflicting on others. I’m glad there was a good guy with a gun there to give him a taste of his own medicine. His control of the situation (whatever his plan was) was ended by a local armed citizen.Gern Blansten said:That's fine....I stand corrected. I had just heard that he grabbed his "rifle" from a safe which I assumed was just non assault weapon.
But the important thing to remember is that (while I completely support and commend this guy...for keeping his gun in a safe and for using it) this "good guy with a gun" did not stop the massacre. We could argue that the shooter may have planned to go somewhere else and continue killing but I doubt that is the case. It appears that his goal was to kill his mother in law and luckily for her she wasn't at the church.
The shooter was leaving the scene when he was shot.0 -
this is bold-faced lie and you know it is. why do you continually spout lies that are easily dis-proven? liarunsung said:Could always ban leftists from owning firearms as most of the violence done in the US today is done by leftists.
Shouldn't be too much of an issue since you all hate guns anyway.
BTW, assault any Senators today?
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