America's Gun Violence

unsung · November 2017

You don't have to be a genius to know this idiot had issues.

Go Beavers · November 2017

unsung said:

You don't have to be a genius to know this idiot had issues.

I’m sure we’ll here about his issues and his history. We referenced this bias earlier in the thread. My comment about Don jr is that it’s unprofessional and obviously pushing an agenda, but I dhouldn’t wxpect anything less.

Jason P · November 2017

unsung said:

You don't have to be a genius to know this idiot had issues.

Evidence would suggest otherwise. Laws were in place and he still legally bought guns.

PJ_Soul · November 2017

Jason P said:

unsung said:

You don't have to be a genius to know this idiot had issues.

Evidence would suggest otherwise. Laws were in place and he still legally bought guns.

Wouldn't that mean that it wasn't legally purchased then? I thought he legally bought it because the laws suck, since they still allow someone with a criminal record purchase them. If it's against the law for someone to have sold it to him because of his record, then that's not a legal firearm purchase, right?

josevolution · November 2017

Jason P said:

Maybe start by focus on enforcing the lax laws we have in place? Criminal charges to whoever sold this nut job guns.

I'd think that would be the one way to really get people in check start sending the seller to jail if they don't enforce the regulations in place and those sellers at gun shows should be really under the microscope ...

Jason P · November 2017

PJ_Soul said:

Jason P said:

unsung said:

You don't have to be a genius to know this idiot had issues.

Evidence would suggest otherwise. Laws were in place and he still legally bought guns.

Wouldn't that mean that it wasn't legally purchased then? I thought he legally bought it because the laws suck, since they still allow someone with a criminal record purchase them. If it's against the law for someone to have sold it to him because of his record, then that's not a legal firearm purchase, right?

Thus why current laws are not working. I had a local liquor store in high school that would sell me beer even though I looked younger than McLovin from the movie Superbad. And they didn't need to do a background check each time I bought a 30 pack of High Life. Not a legal purchase but I did buy it through legal channels and not the black market. Uncle Sam got his 7% cut.

But scrutiny has increased and penalties have increased and now I'm ID'd even though I'm north of 30. Maybe gun laws need the same scrutiny.

PJ_Soul · November 2017

Jason P said:

PJ_Soul said:

Jason P said:

unsung said:

You don't have to be a genius to know this idiot had issues.

Evidence would suggest otherwise. Laws were in place and he still legally bought guns.

Wouldn't that mean that it wasn't legally purchased then? I thought he legally bought it because the laws suck, since they still allow someone with a criminal record purchase them. If it's against the law for someone to have sold it to him because of his record, then that's not a legal firearm purchase, right?

Thus why current laws are not working. I had a local liquor store in high school that would sell me beer even though I looked younger than McLovin from the movie Superbad. And they didn't need to do a background check each time I bought a 30 pack of High Life. Not a legal purchase but I did buy it through legal channels and not the black market. Uncle Sam got his 7% cut.

But scrutiny has increased and penalties have increased and now I'm ID'd even though I'm north of 30. Maybe gun laws need the same scrutiny.

Well yes indeed, lol. I should think so. I can't believe a person can just walk into a store and walk out with a gun at all. There should be a very rigorous process IMO, like a national database where a bunch of info gets entered by the dealer, and then that goes through a tight screening process by some government agency that does that, and then, like however much later on the calendar (hopefully not too long because I like efficient processes), the person can come back to the store and pick up their federal and state government approved gun purchase (that they got it would, of course, be a matter of record, with serial number) .... And they would only get it in hand after the dealer compares them to the photo they took when they came in to register for it, as well as against their government ID. Obviously ANY criminal history would disqualify the buyer from being able to make the purchase (even though that would apparently be moot in this particular case since the fucking military screwed the pooch on that one). This is the kind of system I envision for a nation obsessed with gun ownership. That still wouldn't get to the root of the problem, which is America's gun culture, but at least it would keep people from selling guns to people without a very solid background check and there would be a central record of who legally owns what (info that, perhaps, could only be accessed if the person is under suspicion of a crime). I dunno. Maybe that sounds like too much for American gun nuts, but I figure if you're on the up and up you shouldn't mind any of this. And if, of course, you're not a big states law person. I think all gun laws should be federal, with a link between federal and state criminal records.

Meanwhile, news just came out saying that the US Air Force totally dropped the ball and didn't even follow policy. They just cut this fucker loose and never did anything to try and make sure he couldn't buy firearms through some kind of reporting system even though they knew they were supposed to. Wow. Absolutely unbelievable. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2017/11/06/the-air-force-says-it-failed-to-follow-procedures-allowing-texas-church-shooter-to-obtain-firearms/?utm_term=.f5fb0d407e47&wpisrc=al_news__alert-national&wpmk=1

"Firearms retailer Academy Sports also confirmed Monday that Kelley purchased two weapons from its stores after passing federal background checks this year and last. It remains unclear whether those were the same weapons used in Sunday’s massacre, but his ability to purchase guns at all highlights the Air Force’s failure to follow Pentagon guidelines for ensuring certain violent offenses are reported to the FBI."

CM189191 · November 2017

unsung said:

CM189191 said:

unsung said:

CM189191 said:

unsung said:

CM189191 said:

unsung said:p

tbergs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Bentleyspop said:

Aurora: AR-15
Orlando: AR-15
Las Vegas: AR-15
Sandy Hook: AR-15
Umpqua CC: AR-15
San Bernardino: AR-15
Sutherland Springs: AR-15

Nothing can be done.

Well, one state made it illegal to own a bump stock with your pretty AR killing device.

Is there anybody on here opposed to the ban of owning AR-15 style assault rifles outside of LE and military?

Yes.

You can't even get the terminology correct.

Besides I have been hearing non-stop for a year how "literally Hitler" was elected President, and now those people want "literally Hitler" to be the one in control of all firearms.

Why do you want to give "literally Hitler" oh and the white supremacist and racist and apparently woman abusing and Russian colluder so much control?

every gun
every owner
every transfer
documented

how's that for terminology

Already is in my State.

So how does that stop a bad person from doing bad things?

it's not about stopping bad people from doing bad things
it's about restricting the opportunities for bad people to do bad things so easily

how many times does it have to be explained to you gun-fetishists? more guns = more gun deaths
this is not a cultural issue of 'the usa has too many bad people", it's an issue of "the usa has too many guns and gun-nuts"

less guns, less gun deaths
it really is that fucking simple, and has been proven the world over. How is this not sinking in?

I'd just like to know how you propose doing this?

"But nobody is calling for a gun ban!"

edit: the same way they do it in every other modern industrialized nation that seems to make it through the week without a mass shooting

you act like this is so difficult

And what way is that?

I don't act.

If explain it to you, but you probably wouldn't understand the terminology.

Typical conservative. Doesn't realize he's part of the problem. Wants progressives to fix it.

It's sad this isn't an act. If you had any sense of shame or embarrassment, now would be the time for you to feel it.

unsung · November 2017

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

You don't have to be a genius to know this idiot had issues.

I’m sure we’ll here about his issues and his history. We referenced this bias earlier in the thread. My comment about Don jr is that it’s unprofessional and obviously pushing an agenda, but I dhouldn’t wxpect anything less.

Yeah, Democrats are so above doing that.

unsung · November 2017

CM189191 said:

unsung said:

CM189191 said:

unsung said:

CM189191 said:

unsung said:

CM189191 said:

unsung said:p

tbergs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Bentleyspop said:

Aurora: AR-15
Orlando: AR-15
Las Vegas: AR-15
Sandy Hook: AR-15
Umpqua CC: AR-15
San Bernardino: AR-15
Sutherland Springs: AR-15

Nothing can be done.

Well, one state made it illegal to own a bump stock with your pretty AR killing device.

Is there anybody on here opposed to the ban of owning AR-15 style assault rifles outside of LE and military?

Yes.

You can't even get the terminology correct.

Besides I have been hearing non-stop for a year how "literally Hitler" was elected President, and now those people want "literally Hitler" to be the one in control of all firearms.

Why do you want to give "literally Hitler" oh and the white supremacist and racist and apparently woman abusing and Russian colluder so much control?

every gun
every owner
every transfer
documented

how's that for terminology

Already is in my State.

So how does that stop a bad person from doing bad things?

it's not about stopping bad people from doing bad things
it's about restricting the opportunities for bad people to do bad things so easily

how many times does it have to be explained to you gun-fetishists? more guns = more gun deaths
this is not a cultural issue of 'the usa has too many bad people", it's an issue of "the usa has too many guns and gun-nuts"

less guns, less gun deaths
it really is that fucking simple, and has been proven the world over. How is this not sinking in?

I'd just like to know how you propose doing this?

"But nobody is calling for a gun ban!"

edit: the same way they do it in every other modern industrialized nation that seems to make it through the week without a mass shooting

you act like this is so difficult

And what way is that?

I don't act.

If explain it to you, but you probably wouldn't understand the terminology.

Typical conservative. Doesn't realize he's part of the problem. Wants progressives to fix it.

It's sad this isn't an act. If you had any sense of shame or embarrassment, now would be the time for you to feel it.

I’d never ask a progressive to fix my problems, I handle them myself.

Go Beavers · November 2017

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

You don't have to be a genius to know this idiot had issues.

I’m sure we’ll here about his issues and his history. We referenced this bias earlier in the thread. My comment about Don jr is that it’s unprofessional and obviously pushing an agenda, but I dhouldn’t wxpect anything less.

Yeah, Democrats are so above doing that.

I guess we can compare dem tweets vs. repub tweets if we need to.

Halifax2TheMax · November 2017

Nothing can be done.

Ted Cruz accidentally explained America’s gun problem in one sentence - Vox

https://apple.news/Ayf87J5TWRca9UgpLHAlEHg

Halifax2TheMax · November 2017

unsung said:

CM189191 said:

unsung said:

CM189191 said:

unsung said:

CM189191 said:

unsung said:

CM189191 said:

unsung said:p

tbergs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Bentleyspop said:

Aurora: AR-15
Orlando: AR-15
Las Vegas: AR-15
Sandy Hook: AR-15
Umpqua CC: AR-15
San Bernardino: AR-15
Sutherland Springs: AR-15

Nothing can be done.

Well, one state made it illegal to own a bump stock with your pretty AR killing device.

Is there anybody on here opposed to the ban of owning AR-15 style assault rifles outside of LE and military?

Yes.

You can't even get the terminology correct.

Besides I have been hearing non-stop for a year how "literally Hitler" was elected President, and now those people want "literally Hitler" to be the one in control of all firearms.

Why do you want to give "literally Hitler" oh and the white supremacist and racist and apparently woman abusing and Russian colluder so much control?

every gun
every owner
every transfer
documented

how's that for terminology

Already is in my State.

So how does that stop a bad person from doing bad things?

it's not about stopping bad people from doing bad things
it's about restricting the opportunities for bad people to do bad things so easily

how many times does it have to be explained to you gun-fetishists? more guns = more gun deaths
this is not a cultural issue of 'the usa has too many bad people", it's an issue of "the usa has too many guns and gun-nuts"

less guns, less gun deaths
it really is that fucking simple, and has been proven the world over. How is this not sinking in?

I'd just like to know how you propose doing this?

"But nobody is calling for a gun ban!"

edit: the same way they do it in every other modern industrialized nation that seems to make it through the week without a mass shooting

you act like this is so difficult

And what way is that?

I don't act.

If explain it to you, but you probably wouldn't understand the terminology.

Typical conservative. Doesn't realize he's part of the problem. Wants progressives to fix it.

It's sad this isn't an act. If you had any sense of shame or embarrassment, now would be the time for you to feel it.

I’d never ask a progressive to fix my problems, I handle them myself.

What are you doing about the elimination of the white race?

CM189191 · November 2017

unsung said:

CM189191 said:

unsung said:

CM189191 said:

unsung said:

CM189191 said:

unsung said:

CM189191 said:

unsung said:p

tbergs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Bentleyspop said:

Aurora: AR-15
Orlando: AR-15
Las Vegas: AR-15
Sandy Hook: AR-15
Umpqua CC: AR-15
San Bernardino: AR-15
Sutherland Springs: AR-15

Nothing can be done.

Well, one state made it illegal to own a bump stock with your pretty AR killing device.

Is there anybody on here opposed to the ban of owning AR-15 style assault rifles outside of LE and military?

Yes.

You can't even get the terminology correct.

Besides I have been hearing non-stop for a year how "literally Hitler" was elected President, and now those people want "literally Hitler" to be the one in control of all firearms.

Why do you want to give "literally Hitler" oh and the white supremacist and racist and apparently woman abusing and Russian colluder so much control?

every gun
every owner
every transfer
documented

how's that for terminology

Already is in my State.

So how does that stop a bad person from doing bad things?

it's not about stopping bad people from doing bad things
it's about restricting the opportunities for bad people to do bad things so easily

how many times does it have to be explained to you gun-fetishists? more guns = more gun deaths
this is not a cultural issue of 'the usa has too many bad people", it's an issue of "the usa has too many guns and gun-nuts"

less guns, less gun deaths
it really is that fucking simple, and has been proven the world over. How is this not sinking in?

I'd just like to know how you propose doing this?

"But nobody is calling for a gun ban!"

edit: the same way they do it in every other modern industrialized nation that seems to make it through the week without a mass shooting

you act like this is so difficult

And what way is that?

I don't act.

If explain it to you, but you probably wouldn't understand the terminology.

Typical conservative. Doesn't realize he's part of the problem. Wants progressives to fix it.

It's sad this isn't an act. If you had any sense of shame or embarrassment, now would be the time for you to feel it.

I’d never ask a progressive to fix my problems, I handle them myself.

Alright wise guy, then what's your solution to gun violence? You seem pretty content with the status quo when that's clearly not working.

CM189191 · November 2017

CM189191 said:

unsung said:

CM189191 said:

unsung said:

CM189191 said:

unsung said:

CM189191 said:

unsung said:

CM189191 said:

unsung said:p

tbergs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Bentleyspop said:

Aurora: AR-15
Orlando: AR-15
Las Vegas: AR-15
Sandy Hook: AR-15
Umpqua CC: AR-15
San Bernardino: AR-15
Sutherland Springs: AR-15

Nothing can be done.

Well, one state made it illegal to own a bump stock with your pretty AR killing device.

Is there anybody on here opposed to the ban of owning AR-15 style assault rifles outside of LE and military?

Yes.

You can't even get the terminology correct.

Besides I have been hearing non-stop for a year how "literally Hitler" was elected President, and now those people want "literally Hitler" to be the one in control of all firearms.

Why do you want to give "literally Hitler" oh and the white supremacist and racist and apparently woman abusing and Russian colluder so much control?

every gun
every owner
every transfer
documented

how's that for terminology

Already is in my State.

So how does that stop a bad person from doing bad things?

it's not about stopping bad people from doing bad things
it's about restricting the opportunities for bad people to do bad things so easily

how many times does it have to be explained to you gun-fetishists? more guns = more gun deaths
this is not a cultural issue of 'the usa has too many bad people", it's an issue of "the usa has too many guns and gun-nuts"

less guns, less gun deaths
it really is that fucking simple, and has been proven the world over. How is this not sinking in?

I'd just like to know how you propose doing this?

"But nobody is calling for a gun ban!"

edit: the same way they do it in every other modern industrialized nation that seems to make it through the week without a mass shooting

you act like this is so difficult

And what way is that?

I don't act.

If explain it to you, but you probably wouldn't understand the terminology.

Typical conservative. Doesn't realize he's part of the problem. Wants progressives to fix it.

It's sad this isn't an act. If you had any sense of shame or embarrassment, now would be the time for you to feel it.

I’d never ask a progressive to fix my problems, I handle them myself.

Alright wise guy, then what's your solution to gun violence? You seem pretty content with the status quo when that's clearly not working.

Follow up question
How many times have you had to solve your own problems with a gun?
Every kill someone? Ever shoot someone? Shoot at someone? Pull your gun and aim it at someone?
Daily? Weekly? Ever?

Bentleyspop · November 2017

Sad but true....

https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/927611974292312064

tbergs · November 2017

I understand the intention of her comments, but it's not for me and it comes off weird. Maybe what she says rings true for some. I guess it's never something I've considered. Where would I feel the most at peace if I was shot by a mass murderer. I do think it's fucked up this is where we are at though.

https://youtu.be/WEExlz7YktI

mace1229 · November 2017

PJ_Soul said:

Jason P said:

unsung said:

You don't have to be a genius to know this idiot had issues.

Evidence would suggest otherwise. Laws were in place and he still legally bought guns.

Wouldn't that mean that it wasn't legally purchased then? I thought he legally bought it because the laws suck, since they still allow someone with a criminal record purchase them. If it's against the law for someone to have sold it to him because of his record, then that's not a legal firearm purchase, right?

What I heard on the news was that he only legally purchased guns because his criminal record wasn't properly recorded, so it didn't show up on his background check.
So yes, he purchased them legally, but only due to a clerical error because he was technically not approved to be a gun owner under current gun laws.

unsung · November 2017

http://amp.dailycaller.com/2017/11/06/texas-man-who-shot-church-gunman-was-certified-nra-instructor/

unsung · November 2017

mace1229 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Jason P said:

unsung said:

You don't have to be a genius to know this idiot had issues.

Evidence would suggest otherwise. Laws were in place and he still legally bought guns.

Wouldn't that mean that it wasn't legally purchased then? I thought he legally bought it because the laws suck, since they still allow someone with a criminal record purchase them. If it's against the law for someone to have sold it to him because of his record, then that's not a legal firearm purchase, right?

What I heard on the news was that he only legally purchased guns because his criminal record wasn't properly recorded, so it didn't show up on his background check.
So yes, he purchased them legally, but only due to a clerical error because he was technically not approved to be a gun owner under current gun laws.

Texas denied him a concealed carry permit, sounds like the feds dropped the ball.

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