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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,164
    Nothing can be done.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/28/politics/guns-mental-health-rule/index.html
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Nothing can be done.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/28/politics/guns-mental-health-rule/index.html
    “The ACLU, which advocates for people with mental health struggles, said the rule reinforced a stereotype that people with mental disabilities are violent. The organization argued in a letter to members of Congress that there's no data to support a connection between receiving disability benefits and a propensity toward gun violence.”

    That damn ACLU...
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,503
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    tbergs said:
    Concerts and churches seem to be the new target of choice for these events. College and school shootings are starting to decrease because of the safeguards being taken to make it more difficult and limit casualties. It took almost 2 decades to get to the point schools are at, so what steps are even feasible for a concert or church? Obviously no one is going to address the gun issue, so we better start coming up with defensive solutions.

    Churches will need to adopt the run, hide, fight approach. Mandatory viewing for entire congregations.

    After that shooters can move on to grocery stores and shopping centers. Maybe even state and county fairs. The possibilities are endless!

    I bet there's some mass shooter who's currently considered a responsible gun owner planning his church event right now and cussing this latest guy out: "For gawds sakes. You just had to go shoot up a church right before I was gonna go shoot up a church... didn't ya?"
    There's probably a Google doc out there where you have to pick your date and make sure your shooting is the only one scheduled for the month at that type of establishment. So "church" is checked off for this month.

    What I'm actually surprised about so far is that these fucking assholes aren't live streaming their repugnant acts. How long before someone is "scoping" or Facebook live streaming it?
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 10,039
    rgambs said:
    mace1229 said:
    I didn't understand after the Vegas shooting and still don't understand after this one. What is wrong with saying your "thoughts and prayers" are with the victims?
    Even the anti-gun liberals use that phrase. 
    No one has ever said thoughts and prayers will solve everything or bring the dead back, and this forum is acting like that what every gun owners has said. I just don't get the attack on people using that phrase, especially since he's been said by pretty much everyone on both sides of the gun debate.
    It is an empty and meaningless gesture that makes people feel absolved of the obligation to actually do something that has an effect on the real world.
    In a case like this, where the people who were killed were actively worshipping and praying at their time of death, it rings extra hollow.  Frankly, it's insulting to the intelligence and dignity of the human race.
    So you think equally low of Hilary and Obama when they use that phrase? Because, they, and probably every other democratic in office, have as well.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,033
    mace1229 said:
    rgambs said:
    mace1229 said:
    I didn't understand after the Vegas shooting and still don't understand after this one. What is wrong with saying your "thoughts and prayers" are with the victims?
    Even the anti-gun liberals use that phrase. 
    No one has ever said thoughts and prayers will solve everything or bring the dead back, and this forum is acting like that what every gun owners has said. I just don't get the attack on people using that phrase, especially since he's been said by pretty much everyone on both sides of the gun debate.
    It is an empty and meaningless gesture that makes people feel absolved of the obligation to actually do something that has an effect on the real world.
    In a case like this, where the people who were killed were actively worshipping and praying at their time of death, it rings extra hollow.  Frankly, it's insulting to the intelligence and dignity of the human race.
    So you think equally low of Hilary and Obama when they use that phrase? Because, they, and probably every other democratic in office, have as well.
    no, because in addition to their thoughts and prayers, they advocate for real change. 
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    Don’t fuck with Texans
    http://nypost.com/2017/11/06/sharpshooting-plumber-fired-shot-that-took-down-texas-church-gunman/
  • unsung
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mace1229 said:
    rgambs said:
    mace1229 said:
    I didn't understand after the Vegas shooting and still don't understand after this one. What is wrong with saying your "thoughts and prayers" are with the victims?
    Even the anti-gun liberals use that phrase. 
    No one has ever said thoughts and prayers will solve everything or bring the dead back, and this forum is acting like that what every gun owners has said. I just don't get the attack on people using that phrase, especially since he's been said by pretty much everyone on both sides of the gun debate.
    It is an empty and meaningless gesture that makes people feel absolved of the obligation to actually do something that has an effect on the real world.
    In a case like this, where the people who were killed were actively worshipping and praying at their time of death, it rings extra hollow.  Frankly, it's insulting to the intelligence and dignity of the human race.
    So you think equally low of Hilary and Obama when they use that phrase? Because, they, and probably every other democratic in office, have as well.
    no, because in addition to their thoughts and prayers, they advocate for real change. 
    Only if they can stand on graves.
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 10,039
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mace1229 said:
    rgambs said:
    mace1229 said:
    I didn't understand after the Vegas shooting and still don't understand after this one. What is wrong with saying your "thoughts and prayers" are with the victims?
    Even the anti-gun liberals use that phrase. 
    No one has ever said thoughts and prayers will solve everything or bring the dead back, and this forum is acting like that what every gun owners has said. I just don't get the attack on people using that phrase, especially since he's been said by pretty much everyone on both sides of the gun debate.
    It is an empty and meaningless gesture that makes people feel absolved of the obligation to actually do something that has an effect on the real world.
    In a case like this, where the people who were killed were actively worshipping and praying at their time of death, it rings extra hollow.  Frankly, it's insulting to the intelligence and dignity of the human race.
    So you think equally low of Hilary and Obama when they use that phrase? Because, they, and probably every other democratic in office, have as well.
    no, because in addition to their thoughts and prayers, they advocate for real change. 
    I could agree that there is a difference in that.
    I just think its a cheap shot to only criticize the phrase "thoughts and prayers." Its like calling someone out for saying "I'm sorry for your loss" at a funeral. Just doesn't make sense to me to make fun of those for saying it.
  • unsung
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    It is their way of saying that they don't believe in God.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,671
    PJPOWER said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Nothing can be done.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/28/politics/guns-mental-health-rule/index.html
    “The ACLU, which advocates for people with mental health struggles, said the rule reinforced a stereotype that people with mental disabilities are violent. The organization argued in a letter to members of Congress that there's no data to support a connection between receiving disability benefits and a propensity toward gun violence.”

    That damn ACLU...
    I don't mind making it harder for everyone to get a gun, not just people with mental health issues.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,033
    mace1229 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mace1229 said:
    rgambs said:
    mace1229 said:
    I didn't understand after the Vegas shooting and still don't understand after this one. What is wrong with saying your "thoughts and prayers" are with the victims?
    Even the anti-gun liberals use that phrase. 
    No one has ever said thoughts and prayers will solve everything or bring the dead back, and this forum is acting like that what every gun owners has said. I just don't get the attack on people using that phrase, especially since he's been said by pretty much everyone on both sides of the gun debate.
    It is an empty and meaningless gesture that makes people feel absolved of the obligation to actually do something that has an effect on the real world.
    In a case like this, where the people who were killed were actively worshipping and praying at their time of death, it rings extra hollow.  Frankly, it's insulting to the intelligence and dignity of the human race.
    So you think equally low of Hilary and Obama when they use that phrase? Because, they, and probably every other democratic in office, have as well.
    no, because in addition to their thoughts and prayers, they advocate for real change. 
    I could agree that there is a difference in that.
    I just think its a cheap shot to only criticize the phrase "thoughts and prayers." Its like calling someone out for saying "I'm sorry for your loss" at a funeral. Just doesn't make sense to me to make fun of those for saying it.
    I disagree with that comparison. maybe if the person saying it at the funeral was philosophically complicit in the person's death, then yes, that would be an applicable comparison. as gambs said, it's because many of those saying it, it is a hallow sentiment, especially when they oppose changes that MAY help to curb these deaths. 
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 10,039
    edited November 2017
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mace1229 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mace1229 said:
    rgambs said:
    mace1229 said:
    I didn't understand after the Vegas shooting and still don't understand after this one. What is wrong with saying your "thoughts and prayers" are with the victims?
    Even the anti-gun liberals use that phrase. 
    No one has ever said thoughts and prayers will solve everything or bring the dead back, and this forum is acting like that what every gun owners has said. I just don't get the attack on people using that phrase, especially since he's been said by pretty much everyone on both sides of the gun debate.
    It is an empty and meaningless gesture that makes people feel absolved of the obligation to actually do something that has an effect on the real world.
    In a case like this, where the people who were killed were actively worshipping and praying at their time of death, it rings extra hollow.  Frankly, it's insulting to the intelligence and dignity of the human race.
    So you think equally low of Hilary and Obama when they use that phrase? Because, they, and probably every other democratic in office, have as well.
    no, because in addition to their thoughts and prayers, they advocate for real change. 
    I could agree that there is a difference in that.
    I just think its a cheap shot to only criticize the phrase "thoughts and prayers." Its like calling someone out for saying "I'm sorry for your loss" at a funeral. Just doesn't make sense to me to make fun of those for saying it.
    I disagree with that comparison. maybe if the person saying it at the funeral was philosophically complicit in the person's death, then yes, that would be an applicable comparison. as gambs said, it's because many of those saying it, it is a hallow sentiment, especially when they oppose changes that MAY help to curb these deaths. 
    I see a lot of people why aren't religious use that phrase. That's why I compared it to saying something like "I'm sorry for your loss."
    How many people do you think who say "our thoughts and prayers are with you" actually go home and pray about it?
    Its just a saying that a lot of people, including non-believers, use in an attempt to comfort others. I see absolutely nothing wrong with it, and it just seems low to me to make fun of anyone for using it. If the beef is with lack of gun laws, then say it, don't do it in a round-about way by making fun of someone for saying their thoughts are with those who just lost loved ones.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,164
    PJPOWER said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Nothing can be done.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/28/politics/guns-mental-health-rule/index.html
    “The ACLU, which advocates for people with mental health struggles, said the rule reinforced a stereotype that people with mental disabilities are violent. The organization argued in a letter to members of Congress that there's no data to support a connection between receiving disability benefits and a propensity toward gun violence.”

    That damn ACLU...
    The ACLU's opposition didn't stop Obama from implementing it though did it? Nice try.
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  • Bentleyspop
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    unsung said:
    It is their way of saying that they don't believe in God.
    Where was god when those people  went to church  in Sutherland yesterday?
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited November 2017
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Nothing can be done.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/28/politics/guns-mental-health-rule/index.html
    “The ACLU, which advocates for people with mental health struggles, said the rule reinforced a stereotype that people with mental disabilities are violent. The organization argued in a letter to members of Congress that there's no data to support a connection between receiving disability benefits and a propensity toward gun violence.”

    That damn ACLU...
    The ACLU's opposition didn't stop Obama from implementing it though did it? Nice try.
    Um...Did any opposition prevent Obama from signing the EO?  In this case, though, the ACLU sided with the opposition.
  • mace1229
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    Bentleyspop said:
    unsung said:
    It is their way of saying that they don't believe in God.
    Where was god when those people  went to church  in Sutherland yesterday?
    Has anyone ever told you that if you're religious then God will protect you from all harm and you will live a prosperous life without any struggles? If they did, they were wrong. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    PJPOWER said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Nothing can be done.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/28/politics/guns-mental-health-rule/index.html
    “The ACLU, which advocates for people with mental health struggles, said the rule reinforced a stereotype that people with mental disabilities are violent. The organization argued in a letter to members of Congress that there's no data to support a connection between receiving disability benefits and a propensity toward gun violence.”

    That damn ACLU...
    The ACLU's opposition didn't stop Obama from implementing it though did it? Nice try.
    Um...Did any opposition prevent Obama from signing the EO?  In this case, though, the ACLU sided with the opposition.
    And Obama saw past the opposition from the ACLU and signed the EO. You make it sound like since the ACLU opposed it, Obama didn't sign it. If only republicans had a spine.
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,644
    Aurora: AR-15
    Orlando: AR-15
    Las Vegas: AR-15
    Sandy Hook: AR-15
    Umpqua CC: AR-15
    San Bernardino: AR-15
    Sutherland Springs: AR-15

  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,164
    Bentleyspop said:
    Aurora: AR-15
    Orlando: AR-15
    Las Vegas: AR-15
    Sandy Hook: AR-15
    Umpqua CC: AR-15
    San Bernardino: AR-15
    Sutherland Springs: AR-15

    Nothing can be done.
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  • tbergs
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Aurora: AR-15
    Orlando: AR-15
    Las Vegas: AR-15
    Sandy Hook: AR-15
    Umpqua CC: AR-15
    San Bernardino: AR-15
    Sutherland Springs: AR-15

    Nothing can be done.
    Well, one state made it illegal to own a bump stock with your pretty AR killing device.

    Is there anybody on here opposed to the ban of owning AR-15 style assault rifles outside of LE and military?
    It's a hopeless situation...
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