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  • darwinstheory
    darwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 7,522
    In the meantime, I'm very curious as to who the starters for the north side are going to be next season. 
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  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,500
    Hhopefully not Chris fucking Archer. Don’t know why everyone thinks he’s so great.
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  • darwinstheory
    darwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 7,522
    Yeah, I never got it either. I mean he's not awful either, but not the blue chipper everyone seems to think he is.

    And it's not just SP either, but what about the bullpen? I think the thought was to hand it to Edwards Jr. next season, but I don't think that's going to be the case anymore.
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  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,500
    $13million a year for another less than mediocre pitcher.  Dude went 8-15 with an ERA near 5 on a playoff team.  Yeah, he'll be great.
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  • Gtilley8
    Gtilley8 Detroit Posts: 985
    edited December 2017
    HesCalledDyer said:
    $13million a year for another less than mediocre pitcher.  Dude went 8-15 with an ERA near 5 on a playoff team.  Yeah, he'll be great.
    He's had a sub 3.00 ERA on the road the last 2 seasons.  I really like his splits away from the HR derby park in Denver.  If he's our 4 or 5, I think we're in good shape.  As for the money, heck, that just what SPs are getting these days.  I do believe it's a little crazy at 13M, but it is what it is.
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  • mca47
    mca47 Posts: 13,343
    Gtilley8 said:
    HesCalledDyer said:
    $13million a year for another less than mediocre pitcher.  Dude went 8-15 with an ERA near 5 on a playoff team.  Yeah, he'll be great.
    He's had a sub 3.00 ERA on the road the last 2 seasons.  I really like his splits away from the HR derby park in Denver.  If he's our 4 or 5, I think we're in good shape.  As for the money, heck, that just what SPs are getting these days.  I do believe it's a little crazy at 13M, but it is what it is.
    Yeah, it's crazy what SP's get anymore, but this I think was an alright pick up.  He'll def be an upgrade to Lackey.  
  • darwinstheory
    darwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 7,522
    edited December 2017
    I like the deal. Maybe just have him skip a start should hire turn in the rotation come up when the Cubs are in COL. Sub 3.00 ERA on the road is great for a 4 or 5.
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  • darwinstheory
    darwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 7,522
    With Wade Davis signing in Colorado, who is the closer going to be? 

    Also, who do you prefer:

    Darvish, Cobb or Arrieta 
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  • Degeneratefk
    Degeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    HesCalledDyer said:
    Hhopefully not Chris fucking Archer. Don’t know why everyone thinks he’s so great.
    Dude can strikeout batters period. 
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  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,965
    darwinstheory said:
    With Wade Davis signing in Colorado, who is the closer going to be? 

    Also, who do you prefer:

    Darvish, Cobb or Arrieta 
    Rondon?  JK...gotta be Brandon morrow imo.

    good question. With the money Jake is gonna get...let him walk. Of the other 2, give me darvish. Cobb wants $20m a year. Not sure he’s worth it.  
  • darwinstheory
    darwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 7,522
    ^^^I agree with that. Plus letting someone else get Jake gets the Cubs an extra draft pick. 
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  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,500
    Degeneratefk said:
    HesCalledDyer said:
    Hhopefully not Chris fucking Archer. Don’t know why everyone thinks he’s so great.
    Dude can strikeout batters period. 
    Period is right. He can't do anything else.
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  • Degeneratefk
    Degeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    HesCalledDyer said:
    Degeneratefk said:
    HesCalledDyer said:
    Hhopefully not Chris fucking Archer. Don’t know why everyone thinks he’s so great.
    Dude can strikeout batters period. 
    Period is right. He can't do anything else.
    God forbid we get a dude that can k 10+ batters per game. He got no run support in Tampa for years. He's a career 3.6 era. Why not?
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  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,500
    Past two seasons he's a combined 19-32 with a 4.05 ERA and 1.25 whip.  His hits allowed have climbed every season of his career. He has more starts giving up 10 or more runs than many teams in the past 3 or 4 seasons.
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  • Degeneratefk
    Degeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    HesCalledDyer said:
    Past two seasons he's a combined 19-32 with a 4.05 ERA and 1.25 whip.  His hits allowed have climbed every season of his career. He has more starts giving up 10 or more runs than many teams in the past 3 or 4 seasons.
    So that means you forget the first 3 years of his career? This guy needs a change of scenery and he will be fine. He's a great pitcher. 
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  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,500
    Degeneratefk said:
    HesCalledDyer said:
    Past two seasons he's a combined 19-32 with a 4.05 ERA and 1.25 whip.  His hits allowed have climbed every season of his career. He has more starts giving up 10 or more runs than many teams in the past 3 or 4 seasons.
    So that means you forget the first 3 years of his career? This guy needs a change of scenery and he will be fine. He's a great pitcher. 
    It doesn't mean ignore it, but it gives me more of a "what have you done for me lately?" idea, which is nothing but strike people out and get shelled. He's not that good.
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  • Degeneratefk
    Degeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    HesCalledDyer said:
    Degeneratefk said:
    HesCalledDyer said:
    Past two seasons he's a combined 19-32 with a 4.05 ERA and 1.25 whip.  His hits allowed have climbed every season of his career. He has more starts giving up 10 or more runs than many teams in the past 3 or 4 seasons.
    So that means you forget the first 3 years of his career? This guy needs a change of scenery and he will be fine. He's a great pitcher. 
    It doesn't mean ignore it, but it gives me more of a "what have you done for me lately?" idea, which is nothing but strike people out and get shelled. He's not that good.
    I suppose we can agree to disagree about him. Id rather have archer than Quintana. 
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  • Gtilley8
    Gtilley8 Detroit Posts: 985
    Degeneratefk said:
    HesCalledDyer said:
    Degeneratefk said:
    HesCalledDyer said:
    Past two seasons he's a combined 19-32 with a 4.05 ERA and 1.25 whip.  His hits allowed have climbed every season of his career. He has more starts giving up 10 or more runs than many teams in the past 3 or 4 seasons.
    So that means you forget the first 3 years of his career? This guy needs a change of scenery and he will be fine. He's a great pitcher. 
    It doesn't mean ignore it, but it gives me more of a "what have you done for me lately?" idea, which is nothing but strike people out and get shelled. He's not that good.
    I suppose we can agree to disagree about him. Id rather have archer than Quintana. 
    I'm up in the air about the two.  I like Quintana a lot. I think he has great upside, and I think we're going to see a hell of a year out of him in 18.  Archer is a great talent, much like Arrieta was when we picked him up.  He could just as easily be a 20 game winner as he could be a bust in the long run.  

    Just saw we offered Arrieta 4 years at 110M.  Interesting to see if that gets it done, or we're just upping the ante for another suiter.  
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  • Degeneratefk
    Degeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    Gtilley8 said:
    Degeneratefk said:
    HesCalledDyer said:
    Degeneratefk said:
    HesCalledDyer said:
    Past two seasons he's a combined 19-32 with a 4.05 ERA and 1.25 whip.  His hits allowed have climbed every season of his career. He has more starts giving up 10 or more runs than many teams in the past 3 or 4 seasons.
    So that means you forget the first 3 years of his career? This guy needs a change of scenery and he will be fine. He's a great pitcher. 
    It doesn't mean ignore it, but it gives me more of a "what have you done for me lately?" idea, which is nothing but strike people out and get shelled. He's not that good.
    I suppose we can agree to disagree about him. Id rather have archer than Quintana. 
    I'm up in the air about the two.  I like Quintana a lot. I think he has great upside, and I think we're going to see a hell of a year out of him in 18.  Archer is a great talent, much like Arrieta was when we picked him up.  He could just as easily be a 20 game winner as he could be a bust in the long run.  

    Just saw we offered Arrieta 4 years at 110M.  Interesting to see if that gets it done, or we're just upping the ante for another suiter.  
    I think jake wants out. I don't know why. That's a great offer on both sides. I just feel like jake wants way more than that. Years and contract value.
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  • bbiggs
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    ^ Jake and Boras as well. 

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