Posey Rule and instant replay aren't that minor. Raising and lowering the pitcher's mound and adjusting the strike zone are massive changes.
DL change would be dramatic, I agree with that. I will welcome it. Offense is good for the game. I love a great pitcher...every five days. I don't love watching them look like a fool with a bat on their shoulder, praying that it makes a tad bit of sense to bunt. And they're bad bunters to boot, so it's not like you get a bunch of safety or suicides out of the deal. That never seems to happen.
I have a much bigger issue with the shifts, the rise in strike outs and rise in home runs (all of those things are connected) than I do with Posey rule and DH.
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Home plate is not the same as any other base. The rule flies in the face of the way the game has been played for 170 some years.DewieCox said:bbiggs said:
Yeah, he's safe if he doesn't block the plate, but blocking the plate was part of the game for over a century and was always considered a good/clean baseball play. I hate this rule. It really is turning the game into a sissy game. It's a shame what happened to Buster Posey, but those outcomes are the extreme exception and not the norm. Let them play baseball. They're grown men.DewieCox said:The rules fine. The call was fine. Contreras did what he had to do, but the runners easily safe if he’s not blocking the plate.
Really? As if it was so much more manly and physical before.
It makes more sense to have it the way it is now. If the throw carries the catcher into the path it’s legal, otherwise keep them from scoring the run by playing the game. Fielders can’t block the path to any other base.
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You’re right, but it’s ultimately no different than an infielder hindering a runner between the other bases.
Allowing the catcher to come up the line to field the throw is a fair concession.
The game hasn’t been played that way for 170 years.
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Who cares how it was played for 100 years? The game is best when the best players play it. It's precisely why I don't want pitchers hitting and running bases. They suck at it and it kills the flow of a game. Well, injured players and AAA level players calling balls and strikes sucks too. So protect the players. Protect the game.The Juggler said:
Home plate is not the same as any other base. The rule flies in the face of the way the game has been played for 170 some years.DewieCox said:bbiggs said:
Yeah, he's safe if he doesn't block the plate, but blocking the plate was part of the game for over a century and was always considered a good/clean baseball play. I hate this rule. It really is turning the game into a sissy game. It's a shame what happened to Buster Posey, but those outcomes are the extreme exception and not the norm. Let them play baseball. They're grown men.DewieCox said:The rules fine. The call was fine. Contreras did what he had to do, but the runners easily safe if he’s not blocking the plate.
Really? As if it was so much more manly and physical before.
It makes more sense to have it the way it is now. If the throw carries the catcher into the path it’s legal, otherwise keep them from scoring the run by playing the game. Fielders can’t block the path to any other base.
If it helps keep the best catcher available day after day, then why not.0 -
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Who cares how it was played for 100 years? The game is best when the best players play it. It's precisely why I don't want pitchers hitting and running bases. They suck at it and it kills the flow of a game. Well, injured players and AAA level players calling balls and strikes sucks too. So protect the players. Protect the game.The Juggler said:
Home plate is not the same as any other base. The rule flies in the face of the way the game has been played for 170 some years.DewieCox said:bbiggs said:
Yeah, he's safe if he doesn't block the plate, but blocking the plate was part of the game for over a century and was always considered a good/clean baseball play. I hate this rule. It really is turning the game into a sissy game. It's a shame what happened to Buster Posey, but those outcomes are the extreme exception and not the norm. Let them play baseball. They're grown men.DewieCox said:The rules fine. The call was fine. Contreras did what he had to do, but the runners easily safe if he’s not blocking the plate.
Really? As if it was so much more manly and physical before.
It makes more sense to have it the way it is now. If the throw carries the catcher into the path it’s legal, otherwise keep them from scoring the run by playing the game. Fielders can’t block the path to any other base.
If it helps keep the best catcher available day after day, then why not.
I CARE! I CARE!You like the designated hitter so your opinion does not matter much anyway.
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Baseball, like any other sport, needs to be adjusted over time to make it the most interesting game possible. DH makes the game more interesting. Having the best players healthy makes the game more interesting. I can't help it if you hate good things.The Juggler said:mrussel1 said:
Who cares how it was played for 100 years? The game is best when the best players play it. It's precisely why I don't want pitchers hitting and running bases. They suck at it and it kills the flow of a game. Well, injured players and AAA level players calling balls and strikes sucks too. So protect the players. Protect the game.The Juggler said:
Home plate is not the same as any other base. The rule flies in the face of the way the game has been played for 170 some years.DewieCox said:bbiggs said:
Yeah, he's safe if he doesn't block the plate, but blocking the plate was part of the game for over a century and was always considered a good/clean baseball play. I hate this rule. It really is turning the game into a sissy game. It's a shame what happened to Buster Posey, but those outcomes are the extreme exception and not the norm. Let them play baseball. They're grown men.DewieCox said:The rules fine. The call was fine. Contreras did what he had to do, but the runners easily safe if he’s not blocking the plate.
Really? As if it was so much more manly and physical before.
It makes more sense to have it the way it is now. If the throw carries the catcher into the path it’s legal, otherwise keep them from scoring the run by playing the game. Fielders can’t block the path to any other base.
If it helps keep the best catcher available day after day, then why not.
I CARE! I CARE!You like the designated hitter so your opinion does not matter much anyway.
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No, what makes baseball unique to every other sport is that it does not need to be adjusted to make the game more interesting. American League baseball is bastardized baseball for people who just like seeing more and more offense with as little strategy as possible. It's a notch or two above beer league softball.mrussel1 said:
Baseball, like any other sport, needs to be adjusted over time to make it the most interesting game possible. DH makes the game more interesting. Having the best players healthy makes the game more interesting. I can't help it if you hate good things.The Juggler said:mrussel1 said:
Who cares how it was played for 100 years? The game is best when the best players play it. It's precisely why I don't want pitchers hitting and running bases. They suck at it and it kills the flow of a game. Well, injured players and AAA level players calling balls and strikes sucks too. So protect the players. Protect the game.The Juggler said:
Home plate is not the same as any other base. The rule flies in the face of the way the game has been played for 170 some years.DewieCox said:bbiggs said:
Yeah, he's safe if he doesn't block the plate, but blocking the plate was part of the game for over a century and was always considered a good/clean baseball play. I hate this rule. It really is turning the game into a sissy game. It's a shame what happened to Buster Posey, but those outcomes are the extreme exception and not the norm. Let them play baseball. They're grown men.DewieCox said:The rules fine. The call was fine. Contreras did what he had to do, but the runners easily safe if he’s not blocking the plate.
Really? As if it was so much more manly and physical before.
It makes more sense to have it the way it is now. If the throw carries the catcher into the path it’s legal, otherwise keep them from scoring the run by playing the game. Fielders can’t block the path to any other base.
If it helps keep the best catcher available day after day, then why not.
I CARE! I CARE!You like the designated hitter so your opinion does not matter much anyway.
All hail the National League, baseball the way it was meant to be played (minus the stupid Posey rule....and replays....and interleague.....god damn it)www.myspace.com0 -
It has changed... http://www.baseball-almanac.com/rulechng.shtmlThe Juggler said:
No, what makes baseball unique to every other sport is that it does not need to be adjusted to make the game more interesting. American League baseball is bastardized baseball for people who just like seeing more and more offense with as little strategy as possible. It's a notch or two above beer league softball.mrussel1 said:
Baseball, like any other sport, needs to be adjusted over time to make it the most interesting game possible. DH makes the game more interesting. Having the best players healthy makes the game more interesting. I can't help it if you hate good things.The Juggler said:mrussel1 said:
Who cares how it was played for 100 years? The game is best when the best players play it. It's precisely why I don't want pitchers hitting and running bases. They suck at it and it kills the flow of a game. Well, injured players and AAA level players calling balls and strikes sucks too. So protect the players. Protect the game.The Juggler said:
Home plate is not the same as any other base. The rule flies in the face of the way the game has been played for 170 some years.DewieCox said:bbiggs said:
Yeah, he's safe if he doesn't block the plate, but blocking the plate was part of the game for over a century and was always considered a good/clean baseball play. I hate this rule. It really is turning the game into a sissy game. It's a shame what happened to Buster Posey, but those outcomes are the extreme exception and not the norm. Let them play baseball. They're grown men.DewieCox said:The rules fine. The call was fine. Contreras did what he had to do, but the runners easily safe if he’s not blocking the plate.
Really? As if it was so much more manly and physical before.
It makes more sense to have it the way it is now. If the throw carries the catcher into the path it’s legal, otherwise keep them from scoring the run by playing the game. Fielders can’t block the path to any other base.
If it helps keep the best catcher available day after day, then why not.
I CARE! I CARE!You like the designated hitter so your opinion does not matter much anyway.
All hail the National League, baseball the way it was meant to be played (minus the stupid Posey rule....and replays....and interleague.....god damn it)0 -
how does the DH make the game more interesting? and how does the DH make the players more healthy? Don't tel me ab out pitchers getting hurt batting because pitching to a DH puts more strain on a pitcher's arm than batting. There is less strategy in the AL with the DH and the games are longer. the AL game stinks compared to the NLmrussel1 said:
Baseball, like any other sport, needs to be adjusted over time to make it the most interesting game possible. DH makes the game more interesting. Having the best players healthy makes the game more interesting. I can't help it if you hate good things.The Juggler said:mrussel1 said:
Who cares how it was played for 100 years? The game is best when the best players play it. It's precisely why I don't want pitchers hitting and running bases. They suck at it and it kills the flow of a game. Well, injured players and AAA level players calling balls and strikes sucks too. So protect the players. Protect the game.The Juggler said:
Home plate is not the same as any other base. The rule flies in the face of the way the game has been played for 170 some years.DewieCox said:bbiggs said:
Yeah, he's safe if he doesn't block the plate, but blocking the plate was part of the game for over a century and was always considered a good/clean baseball play. I hate this rule. It really is turning the game into a sissy game. It's a shame what happened to Buster Posey, but those outcomes are the extreme exception and not the norm. Let them play baseball. They're grown men.DewieCox said:The rules fine. The call was fine. Contreras did what he had to do, but the runners easily safe if he’s not blocking the plate.
Really? As if it was so much more manly and physical before.
It makes more sense to have it the way it is now. If the throw carries the catcher into the path it’s legal, otherwise keep them from scoring the run by playing the game. Fielders can’t block the path to any other base.
If it helps keep the best catcher available day after day, then why not.
I CARE! I CARE!You like the designated hitter so your opinion does not matter much anyway.
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Ha....notice how there are two listed in the last 40+ years there? You've proven my point. Compare that to other sports. This is what makes baseball great. There's no need to dramatically change the rules like in other sports. It's great, as is.mrussel1 said:
It has changed... http://www.baseball-almanac.com/rulechng.shtmlThe Juggler said:
No, what makes baseball unique to every other sport is that it does not need to be adjusted to make the game more interesting. American League baseball is bastardized baseball for people who just like seeing more and more offense with as little strategy as possible. It's a notch or two above beer league softball.mrussel1 said:
Baseball, like any other sport, needs to be adjusted over time to make it the most interesting game possible. DH makes the game more interesting. Having the best players healthy makes the game more interesting. I can't help it if you hate good things.The Juggler said:mrussel1 said:
Who cares how it was played for 100 years? The game is best when the best players play it. It's precisely why I don't want pitchers hitting and running bases. They suck at it and it kills the flow of a game. Well, injured players and AAA level players calling balls and strikes sucks too. So protect the players. Protect the game.The Juggler said:
Home plate is not the same as any other base. The rule flies in the face of the way the game has been played for 170 some years.DewieCox said:bbiggs said:
Yeah, he's safe if he doesn't block the plate, but blocking the plate was part of the game for over a century and was always considered a good/clean baseball play. I hate this rule. It really is turning the game into a sissy game. It's a shame what happened to Buster Posey, but those outcomes are the extreme exception and not the norm. Let them play baseball. They're grown men.DewieCox said:The rules fine. The call was fine. Contreras did what he had to do, but the runners easily safe if he’s not blocking the plate.
Really? As if it was so much more manly and physical before.
It makes more sense to have it the way it is now. If the throw carries the catcher into the path it’s legal, otherwise keep them from scoring the run by playing the game. Fielders can’t block the path to any other base.
If it helps keep the best catcher available day after day, then why not.
I CARE! I CARE!You like the designated hitter so your opinion does not matter much anyway.
All hail the National League, baseball the way it was meant to be played (minus the stupid Posey rule....and replays....and interleague.....god damn it)www.myspace.com0 -
You said it doesn't need to be adjusted. It has been adjusted. You used a definitive statement, not a conditional one. Baseball's age makes it less prone to change, but it changed extensively in its first 100 years. And this rule list doesn't include the clock that was installed. Maybe because it's a weird optional rule.The Juggler said:
Ha....notice how there are two listed in the last 40+ years there? You've proven my point. Compare that to other sports. This is what makes baseball great. There's no need to dramatically change the rules like in other sports. It's great, as is.mrussel1 said:
It has changed... http://www.baseball-almanac.com/rulechng.shtmlThe Juggler said:
No, what makes baseball unique to every other sport is that it does not need to be adjusted to make the game more interesting. American League baseball is bastardized baseball for people who just like seeing more and more offense with as little strategy as possible. It's a notch or two above beer league softball.mrussel1 said:
Baseball, like any other sport, needs to be adjusted over time to make it the most interesting game possible. DH makes the game more interesting. Having the best players healthy makes the game more interesting. I can't help it if you hate good things.The Juggler said:mrussel1 said:
Who cares how it was played for 100 years? The game is best when the best players play it. It's precisely why I don't want pitchers hitting and running bases. They suck at it and it kills the flow of a game. Well, injured players and AAA level players calling balls and strikes sucks too. So protect the players. Protect the game.The Juggler said:
Home plate is not the same as any other base. The rule flies in the face of the way the game has been played for 170 some years.DewieCox said:bbiggs said:
Yeah, he's safe if he doesn't block the plate, but blocking the plate was part of the game for over a century and was always considered a good/clean baseball play. I hate this rule. It really is turning the game into a sissy game. It's a shame what happened to Buster Posey, but those outcomes are the extreme exception and not the norm. Let them play baseball. They're grown men.DewieCox said:The rules fine. The call was fine. Contreras did what he had to do, but the runners easily safe if he’s not blocking the plate.
Really? As if it was so much more manly and physical before.
It makes more sense to have it the way it is now. If the throw carries the catcher into the path it’s legal, otherwise keep them from scoring the run by playing the game. Fielders can’t block the path to any other base.
If it helps keep the best catcher available day after day, then why not.
I CARE! I CARE!You like the designated hitter so your opinion does not matter much anyway.
All hail the National League, baseball the way it was meant to be played (minus the stupid Posey rule....and replays....and interleague.....god damn it)
Edit - and the Posey rule isn't in here either...so clearly not a definitive list.Post edited by mrussel1 on0 -
These were two disparate statements. But one is actually connected to the other:pjhawks said:
how does the DH make the game more interesting? and how does the DH make the players more healthy? Don't tel me ab out pitchers getting hurt batting because pitching to a DH puts more strain on a pitcher's arm than batting. There is less strategy in the AL with the DH and the games are longer. the AL game stinks compared to the NLmrussel1 said:
Baseball, like any other sport, needs to be adjusted over time to make it the most interesting game possible. DH makes the game more interesting. Having the best players healthy makes the game more interesting. I can't help it if you hate good things.The Juggler said:mrussel1 said:
Who cares how it was played for 100 years? The game is best when the best players play it. It's precisely why I don't want pitchers hitting and running bases. They suck at it and it kills the flow of a game. Well, injured players and AAA level players calling balls and strikes sucks too. So protect the players. Protect the game.The Juggler said:
Home plate is not the same as any other base. The rule flies in the face of the way the game has been played for 170 some years.DewieCox said:bbiggs said:
Yeah, he's safe if he doesn't block the plate, but blocking the plate was part of the game for over a century and was always considered a good/clean baseball play. I hate this rule. It really is turning the game into a sissy game. It's a shame what happened to Buster Posey, but those outcomes are the extreme exception and not the norm. Let them play baseball. They're grown men.DewieCox said:The rules fine. The call was fine. Contreras did what he had to do, but the runners easily safe if he’s not blocking the plate.
Really? As if it was so much more manly and physical before.
It makes more sense to have it the way it is now. If the throw carries the catcher into the path it’s legal, otherwise keep them from scoring the run by playing the game. Fielders can’t block the path to any other base.
If it helps keep the best catcher available day after day, then why not.
I CARE! I CARE!You like the designated hitter so your opinion does not matter much anyway.
1. The Posey rule (the initial debate point) absolutely makes the game safer.
2. DH, in my opinion, is more interesting. Yes a double switch is just fucking fascinating for all of 30 seconds in the late innings and post season, but 98% of the time, it's just a wasted out. I'd rather see a competent pitcher match up against a competent hitter. If you have any appreciation of the art of pitching, it's much better to watch a pitch really work a hitter through different locations and pitch speeds. Seeing a pitcher throw three fast balls by the opposing pitcher sucks. 8 competent hitters and a patsy is not better.0 -
Come on. Obviously there were changes every now and then as the sport was developing. The majority of stuff on that list happened prior to or at the beginning of the 20th century. And a lot of it is stuff like forcing players to wear protective helmets and setting up rules for the minimum boundaries for new stadiums--thats elementary and necessary stuff for a relatively new sport. And these minor changes are a mere fraction of the amount of changes every other sport, except soccer I guess, has made over the years. The fact that baseball does not have to dramatically change their game is what makes it stand above all other sports......which brings us to the designated hittermrussel1 said:
You said it doesn't need to be adjusted. It has been adjusted. You used a definitive statement, not a conditional one. Baseball's age makes it less prone to change, but it changed extensively in its first 100 years. And this rule list doesn't include the clock that was installed. Maybe because it's a weird optional rule.The Juggler said:
Ha....notice how there are two listed in the last 40+ years there? You've proven my point. Compare that to other sports. This is what makes baseball great. There's no need to dramatically change the rules like in other sports. It's great, as is.mrussel1 said:
It has changed... http://www.baseball-almanac.com/rulechng.shtmlThe Juggler said:
No, what makes baseball unique to every other sport is that it does not need to be adjusted to make the game more interesting. American League baseball is bastardized baseball for people who just like seeing more and more offense with as little strategy as possible. It's a notch or two above beer league softball.mrussel1 said:
Baseball, like any other sport, needs to be adjusted over time to make it the most interesting game possible. DH makes the game more interesting. Having the best players healthy makes the game more interesting. I can't help it if you hate good things.The Juggler said:mrussel1 said:
Who cares how it was played for 100 years? The game is best when the best players play it. It's precisely why I don't want pitchers hitting and running bases. They suck at it and it kills the flow of a game. Well, injured players and AAA level players calling balls and strikes sucks too. So protect the players. Protect the game.The Juggler said:
Home plate is not the same as any other base. The rule flies in the face of the way the game has been played for 170 some years.DewieCox said:bbiggs said:
Yeah, he's safe if he doesn't block the plate, but blocking the plate was part of the game for over a century and was always considered a good/clean baseball play. I hate this rule. It really is turning the game into a sissy game. It's a shame what happened to Buster Posey, but those outcomes are the extreme exception and not the norm. Let them play baseball. They're grown men.DewieCox said:The rules fine. The call was fine. Contreras did what he had to do, but the runners easily safe if he’s not blocking the plate.
Really? As if it was so much more manly and physical before.
It makes more sense to have it the way it is now. If the throw carries the catcher into the path it’s legal, otherwise keep them from scoring the run by playing the game. Fielders can’t block the path to any other base.
If it helps keep the best catcher available day after day, then why not.
I CARE! I CARE!You like the designated hitter so your opinion does not matter much anyway.
All hail the National League, baseball the way it was meant to be played (minus the stupid Posey rule....and replays....and interleague.....god damn it)
Edit - and the Posey rule isn't in here either...so clearly not a definitive list.
None of those rule changes are remotely close to the advent of a part time player hitting for the pitcher. That would be like the NFL, instead of having all these rules for protecting the qb, going way overboard and putting flags on them and saying you cannot even touch the quarterback, you just have to pull one of the flags to get them down.
The AL is bastardized, inferior baseball. I dread the day when it comes to the national league....sadly that is probably coming.Post edited by The Juggler onwww.myspace.com0 -
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And back to the Posey rule.....does it really keep catchers that much safer? We're we really losing a lot of catchers to debilitating injuries on a yearly basis prior to one, high profile player got hurt? I think the rule is/was a classic reactive overreach.
https://hub.jhu.edu/2015/09/08/catcher-injuries-baseball/
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Wow, that's super compelling. You mean we can only reduce injuries by 15% by changing a rule? Seems hardly worth it. What's the right % in order to make a rule change, in your mind? Does it have to be a plurality? A majority? What if concussions in football were below 15%, is that too immaterial to try to protect players?The Juggler said:And back to the Posey rule.....does it really keep catchers that much safer? We're we really losing a lot of catchers to debilitating injuries on a yearly basis prior to one, high profile player got hurt? I think the rule is/was a classic reactive overreach.
https://hub.jhu.edu/2015/09/08/catcher-injuries-baseball/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Fj2B9z4Dbw
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Perfectly said. And I'll add the Utley rule to that as well.The Juggler said:And back to the Posey rule.....does it really keep catchers that much safer? We're we really losing a lot of catchers to debilitating injuries on a yearly basis prior to one, high profile player got hurt? I think the rule is/was a classic reactive overreach.
https://hub.jhu.edu/2015/09/08/catcher-injuries-baseball/0
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