America's Gun Violence

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    PJPOWER said:
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    Where did you learn to drive and why?  How do you get out of your office if there is a fire?  How did you know which burrito to avoid at the convenience store?  Is all of the above knowledge something that makes you safer and prepared?  Maybe, just maybe, if you did your part and furthered that foundation of knowledge, you might very well be prepared if other situations ever presented themselves.  I sure as hell hope that if I am ever choking in a restaurant, at least one other person has taken a first aid class and knows what to do...Sorry if I believe every responsible person should.
    you do realize that cars in general are about 1000x safer today than in the past because of you know laws and regulations that were passed.  as opposed to gun laws which because of the NRA and people like you we can't change.  so umm yea....
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    pjhawks said:
    I'm just glad i had enough personal responsibility not to get killed on the way into work this morning, or in the office, or at the convenience store i went to for lunch.  i hope i still have enough personal responsibility to make it home tonight.
    Never let your guard down. Keep a keen eye on the rooftops and the windows of any tall building, you never know when someone might rain down bullets on you with an assault rifle.
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    dignin said:
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    Never let your guard down. Keep a keen eye on the rooftops and the windows of any tall building, you never know when someone might rain down bullets on you with an assault rifle.
    Kid riding the subway from comicon out here in NYC got his face slashed for no reason.

    Always be alert for ANYTHING.
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    PJPOWER said:
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    Well, maybe you shouldn’t have so many that you are oblivious to your surroundings.  We’ve all seen “that guy” passed out with his pants around his ankle and all of their pockets picked.  Maybe do not be passed out drunk around a bunch of people you do not know.  Darwin would probably have had things to say about “that guy”.
    Ha ha. Calling HFD a gun-nutter was probably the funniest thing I read today.
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    dignin said:
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    Never let your guard down. Keep a keen eye on the rooftops and the windows of any tall building, you never know when someone might rain down bullets on you with an assault rifle.
    You know what, don’t.  Don’t educate your self or learn how to educate others. Instead, it’s probably better to bitch and moan on the Pearl Jam forums about laws or untenable “solutions”.  Better skip knowing how to get out of a building in the event of a fire too, all useless knowledge that probably won’t ever be needed, right?  To hell with educating your children on what to do if they find a firearm at a friend’s house because that most likely would never happen, right?  You guys are so adamantly apposed to education that, frankly, i’m surprised Darwin hasn’t already paid you a visit.
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    pjhawks said:
    I'm just glad i had enough personal responsibility not to get killed on the way into work this morning, or in the office, or at the convenience store i went to for lunch.  i hope i still have enough personal responsibility to make it home tonight.
    Our thoughts and prayers are with you.
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    pjhawks said:
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    you do realize that cars in general are about 1000x safer today than in the past because of you know laws and regulations that were passed.  as opposed to gun laws which because of the NRA and people like you we can't change.  so umm yea....
    People like me that encouraged people to be responsible and aware?  Well that’s a new one.  It’s because of people like you and Diane Feinstein that make gun owners say “don’t give an inch”.  What tenable realistic gun control do you suggest?  Read this before answering:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-used-to-think-gun-control-was-the-answer-my-research-told-me-otherwise/2017/10/03/d33edca6-a851-11e7-92d1-58c702d2d975_story.html?utm_term=.eaec3734deb9
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    edited October 2017
    pjhawks said:
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    you do realize that cars in general are about 1000x safer today than in the past because of you know laws and regulations that were passed.  as opposed to gun laws which because of the NRA and people like you we can't change.  so umm yea....
    Laws on driving haven't changed much (other than cell phone use I guess). Safety features on cars have.
    But I'd give the credit to the advancing safety features and not any laws.
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    So much paranoia, but I am starting to understand the fear that is behind Americas gun violence problem. Very educational.

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    PJPOWER said:

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    People like me that encouraged people to be responsible and aware?  Well that’s a new one.  It’s because of people like you and Diane Feinstein that make gun owners say “don’t give an inch”.  What tenable realistic gun control do you suggest?  Read this before answering:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-used-to-think-gun-control-was-the-answer-my-research-told-me-otherwise/2017/10/03/d33edca6-a851-11e7-92d1-58c702d2d975_story.html?utm_term=.eaec3734deb9
    You keep talking about realistic gun control but I haven't heard you give any suggestions yourself. Do you have any? Cause as far as I can tell you are perfectly fine with the status quo. 
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    dignin said:
    So much paranoia, but I am starting to understand the fear that is behind Americas gun violence problem. Very educational.

    Aware=Paranoid...thanks for the lesson professor.  Paranoid is being afraid of going to a concert because you think you will get shot.  Aware is going to a concert and having the essentials basic knowledge to help you not panic if something does happen.  In CCW class, I was taught to “live in the yellow”.  Do not be in the red where you are paranoid everywhere you go that something is going to happen.  Do not be in the green where you are unaware of any risks and think nothing could possibly ever happen to you.  
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    mace1229 said:
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    Laws on driving haven't changed much (other than cell phone use I guess). Safety features on cars have.
    But I'd give the credit to the advancing safety features and not any laws.
    Gotta link? And there you go again......................Driving laws haven't changed much. Umm, sure. The traffic light came before the automobile, dontcha know? Driver's ed? Started with Henry Ford. Stop signs? Invented in 1776. Blinking yellow lights at those unused intersections? Brought over on the Mayflower.
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    dignin said:
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    You keep talking about realistic gun control but I haven't heard you give any suggestions yourself. Do you have any? Cause as far as I can tell you are perfectly fine with the status quo. 
    Realistic, tenable gun control that would have guaranteed the event in Vegas would not have happened?  I’ll admit it, I do not know of any. That is why I am suggesting alternative solutions other than gun control?  Where have you been???  And you obviously did not read the article in my post that you quoted.  I am more focused on how to decrease violence and loss of life as a whole.
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    PJPOWER said:
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    Aware=Paranoid...thanks for the lesson professor 
    Your awareness wouldn't have helped you in the middle of the dance floor in Orlando when fired on from an assault weapon....or in the middle of a theater in Colorado.....or at an outdoor concert in Las Vegas. 
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    PJPOWER said:
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    Aware=Paranoid...thanks for the lesson professor.  Paranoid is being afraid of going to a concert because you think you will get shot.  Aware is going to a concert and having the essentials basic knowledge to help you not panic if something does happen.  In CCW class, I was taught to “live in the yellow”.  Do not be in the red where you are paranoid everywhere you go that something is going to happen.  Do not be in the green where you are unaware of any risks and think nothing could possibly ever happen to you.  

    Why do we need to treat the two concepts as mutually exclusive? Why not implement real reforms that will actually address causes of violent crime while also passing laws intended solely to stick it to the gun nuts?
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    dignin said:
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    You're awareness wouldn't have helped you in the middle of the dance floor in Orlando when fired on from an assault weapon....or in the middle of a theater in Colorado.....or at an outdoor concert in Las Vegas. 
    It most definitely coukd have and there are several examples of people saving lives by being aware of their surroundings/exits and knowing how to stop bleeding, etc.  Those people that were aware and trained saved countless lives.  Imagine if more were.
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    PJPOWER said:
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    Realistic, tenable gun control that would have guaranteed the event in Vegas would not have happened?  I’ll admit it, I do not know of any. That is why I am suggesting alternative solutions other than gun control?  Where have you been???  And you obviously did not read the article in my post that you quoted.  I am more focused on how to decrease violence and loss of life as a whole.
    Exactly. I just wanted the update. Some around here seem to think that you are looking for some common ground, you are not. Like democrats could do anything to meet you halfway.

    You like the laws already on the books, no more. That is extreme.
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    CM189191 said:
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    Why do we need to treat the two concepts as mutually exclusive? Why not implement real reforms that will actually address causes of violent crime while also passing laws intended solely to stick it to the gun nuts?

    Why frame it that way?
    "My brain's a good brain!"
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    CM189191 said:
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    Why do we need to treat the two concepts as mutually exclusive? Why not implement real reforms that will actually address causes of violent crime while also passing laws intended solely to stick it to the gun nuts?
    Wow, is that the real intent here?  To “stick it to the gun nuts”?  I thought it was to prevent shootings and save lives, but I would support no legislation specifically designed to “stick it to the gun nuts”...that just seems vindictive and helps me understand why “gun nuts” do not give any ground...I cannot believe you just admitted that as the intent of gun control...
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    PJPOWER said:
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    It most definitely coukd have and there are several examples of people saving lives by being aware of their surroundings/exits and knowing how to stop bleeding, etc.  Those people that were aware and trained saved countless lives.  Imagine if more were.
    Solution to gun violence : train everyone to become a paramedic - problem solved!
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