America's Gun Violence

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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    he's not blaming the victims. he has stated repeatedly that he is only saying that in addition to gun control legislation, it would be prudent to learn these techniques on how to keep yourself safe in a disaster or keep others safe. he's not saying that anyone in Vegas died because of their own hand. 

    no different than learning CPR or how to swim. if someone throws you into a pool, yes it's their fault you drowned, but you also MAY not have drowned had you known how to swim. that's not victim blaming. 

    it's called empowering people, not blaming them. 
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Guess I shouldn't have a couple of beers before or at the next PJ show I go to.....just in case someone might shoot up the place. Must always be vigilant and have my guard up.

    Preparing for that scenario makes much more sense than passing common sense gun legislation.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    dignin said:
    Guess I shouldn't have a couple of beers before or at the next PJ show I go to.....just in case someone might shoot up the place. Must always be vigilant and have my guard up.

    Preparing for that scenario makes much more sense than passing common sense gun legislation.
    good god people. do you read posts? legislation isn't coming anytime soon. you can possibly help yourself in the meantime. THAT IS LITERALLY ALL HE IS SAYING. 
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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,913
    edited October 2017
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    dignin said:
    Guess I shouldn't have a couple of beers before or at the next PJ show I go to.....just in case someone might shoot up the place. Must always be vigilant and have my guard up.

    Preparing for that scenario makes much more sense than passing common sense gun legislation.
    good god people. do you read posts? legislation isn't coming anytime soon. you can possibly help yourself in the meantime. THAT IS LITERALLY ALL HE IS SAYING. 
     his exact quote "take a little personal responsibility in learning some basic survival techniques."   so yea it's up to us not to get shot and killed by a crazed gunman.  
    Post edited by pjhawks on
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    But in a sense... demanding people learn 'mass shooting survival tactics' means acceptance.

    It's not a suggestion received well when a population is trying to stop the never ending stream of mass murders in the pubic settings by appealing to common sense gun laws.

    Don't get me wrong. The idea of preparing yourself for an emergency situation is solid advice- I've been OFA Level II certified 9 or 10 times now. My initial motivation was at the thought of me standing uselessly over someone that needed me. But the context you offer your suggestion is not the greatest when other proactive measures are being promoted (versus reactive).
    It means accepting reality, not acceptance that nothing can change.  The reality is that there is no realistic tenable “fix all” for stopping gun violence or violence in any form.  It has always existed and most likely always will.  But something different has happened.  People have gotten complacent, staring at their phones 95% of the day, completely unaware of the reality that exists in their immediate proximity. Once again, if you truly want to save lives, then learn how too.  Do not stop the good fight, but focus on what you, individually, can be doing to be more aware and prepared for whatever may come your way.  If you see door leading outside wedged open at a movie theater, be aware of it...simple shit like that that could save your own and other’s lives.  If something is out of place, like a backpack at a marathon, notice it!  
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    pjhawks said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    dignin said:
    Guess I shouldn't have a couple of beers before or at the next PJ show I go to.....just in case someone might shoot up the place. Must always be vigilant and have my guard up.

    Preparing for that scenario makes much more sense than passing common sense gun legislation.
    good god people. do you read posts? legislation isn't coming anytime soon. you can possibly help yourself in the meantime. THAT IS LITERALLY ALL HE IS SAYING. 
     his exact quote "take a little personal responsibility in learning some basic survival techniques."   so yea it's up to us not to get shot and killed by a crazed gunman.  
    Sorry, not at ALL what he means. not sure how many times he or I have to explain that. 
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited October 2017

    HughFreakingDillon said:
    he's not blaming the victims. he has stated repeatedly that he is only saying that in addition to gun control legislation, it would be prudent to learn these techniques on how to keep yourself safe in a disaster or keep others safe. he's not saying that anyone in Vegas died because of their own hand. 

    no different than learning CPR or how to swim. if someone throws you into a pool, yes it's their fault you drowned, but you also MAY not have drowned had you known how to swim. that's not victim blaming. 

    it's called empowering people, not blaming them. 
    I’m starting to believe that some people are truly against being empowered...they would rather some government babysit them and control every aspect of their being.  Completely out of touch with reality.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    dignin said:
    Guess I shouldn't have a couple of beers before or at the next PJ show I go to.....just in case someone might shoot up the place. Must always be vigilant and have my guard up.

    Preparing for that scenario makes much more sense than passing common sense gun legislation.
    do you think encouraging your daughter to be aware of her surroundings at a house party and maybe taking a self defense class means it's her fault if she gets raped?
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    dignin said:
    Guess I shouldn't have a couple of beers before or at the next PJ show I go to.....just in case someone might shoot up the place. Must always be vigilant and have my guard up.

    Preparing for that scenario makes much more sense than passing common sense gun legislation.
    do you think encouraging your daughter to be aware of her surroundings at a house party and maybe taking a self defense class means it's her fault if she gets raped?
    I shouldn't have to go into how that is not even remotely the same thing.

    You should jump on the knives analogy bandwagon with the other gun nutters....it makes more sense. Otherwise stop, you're embarrassing yourself.


  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    dignin said:
    Guess I shouldn't have a couple of beers before or at the next PJ show I go to.....just in case someone might shoot up the place. Must always be vigilant and have my guard up.

    Preparing for that scenario makes much more sense than passing common sense gun legislation.
    Well, maybe you shouldn’t have so many that you are oblivious to your surroundings.  We’ve all seen “that guy” passed out with his pants around his ankle and all of their pockets picked.  Maybe do not be passed out drunk around a bunch of people you do not know.  Darwin would probably have had things to say about “that guy”.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    dignin said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    dignin said:
    Guess I shouldn't have a couple of beers before or at the next PJ show I go to.....just in case someone might shoot up the place. Must always be vigilant and have my guard up.

    Preparing for that scenario makes much more sense than passing common sense gun legislation.
    do you think encouraging your daughter to be aware of her surroundings at a house party and maybe taking a self defense class means it's her fault if she gets raped?
    I shouldn't have to go into how that is not even remotely the same thing.

    You should jump on the knives analogy bandwagon with the other gun nutters....it makes more sense. Otherwise stop, you're embarrassing yourself.


    holy shit. I'm actually anti-gun. never shot one in my life. never will. guess you just assume that since I don't agree with everything you say I must be a "gun nut". 

    not even remotely the same thing. really. and I'm embarrassing myself. ok then. 
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    dignin said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    dignin said:
    Guess I shouldn't have a couple of beers before or at the next PJ show I go to.....just in case someone might shoot up the place. Must always be vigilant and have my guard up.

    Preparing for that scenario makes much more sense than passing common sense gun legislation.
    do you think encouraging your daughter to be aware of her surroundings at a house party and maybe taking a self defense class means it's her fault if she gets raped?
    I shouldn't have to go into how that is not even remotely the same thing.

    You should jump on the knives analogy bandwagon with the other gun nutters....it makes more sense. Otherwise stop, you're embarrassing yourself.


    They are both about being responsible and knowing that the world is not always a kind place.  Do you not think that people should learn as much as possible in regards to knowing how to protect themselves and others?  I guess it’s idiotic to be aware of what to know or ask before letting your children stay at a friends house (do they have guns and are they locked up if so)...others might call it being responsible.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    dignin said:
    Guess I shouldn't have a couple of beers before or at the next PJ show I go to.....just in case someone might shoot up the place. Must always be vigilant and have my guard up.

    Preparing for that scenario makes much more sense than passing common sense gun legislation.

    Dig...

    Hugh's already spoken to your assertion, but I feel like I want to chime in as well.

    Your last statement is more true than you might think.

    Just because something makes less sense doesn't mean it isn't legitimate or valuable. When we went to the Dominican Republic a while back, we were heavily warned to stay within the resort. Obviously, it would be better to fix societal conditions than to manage yourself within them... but even though the advice was contrary to ideal... it was appropriate and perhaps valuable (we'll never know having heeded the advice).
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    dignin said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    dignin said:
    Guess I shouldn't have a couple of beers before or at the next PJ show I go to.....just in case someone might shoot up the place. Must always be vigilant and have my guard up.

    Preparing for that scenario makes much more sense than passing common sense gun legislation.
    do you think encouraging your daughter to be aware of her surroundings at a house party and maybe taking a self defense class means it's her fault if she gets raped?
    I shouldn't have to go into how that is not even remotely the same thing.

    You should jump on the knives analogy bandwagon with the other gun nutters....it makes more sense. Otherwise stop, you're embarrassing yourself.


    holy shit. I'm actually anti-gun. never shot one in my life. never will. guess you just assume that since I don't agree with everything you say I must be a "gun nut". 

    not even remotely the same thing. really. and I'm embarrassing myself. ok then. 
    Are you starting to realize where a portion of my sarcasm comes from when posting around here?  Sorry you got lumped in will all of us “irrational gun nuts”.  Next you are going to be called a “Trump thumper”. 
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    I'm in disbelief that something that seems just like basic common sense is being argued against here. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    PJPOWER said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    dignin said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    dignin said:
    Guess I shouldn't have a couple of beers before or at the next PJ show I go to.....just in case someone might shoot up the place. Must always be vigilant and have my guard up.

    Preparing for that scenario makes much more sense than passing common sense gun legislation.
    do you think encouraging your daughter to be aware of her surroundings at a house party and maybe taking a self defense class means it's her fault if she gets raped?
    I shouldn't have to go into how that is not even remotely the same thing.

    You should jump on the knives analogy bandwagon with the other gun nutters....it makes more sense. Otherwise stop, you're embarrassing yourself.


    holy shit. I'm actually anti-gun. never shot one in my life. never will. guess you just assume that since I don't agree with everything you say I must be a "gun nut". 

    not even remotely the same thing. really. and I'm embarrassing myself. ok then. 
    Are you starting to realize where a portion of my sarcasm comes from when posting around here?  Sorry you got lumped in will all of us “irrational gun nuts”.  Next you are going to be called a “Trump thumper”. 
    I am. 
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited October 2017
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    I'm in disbelief that something that seems just like basic common sense is being argued against here. 
    Could be that lack of common sense is the foundation to all of the worlds problems.  Common sense tells me that things will not change overnight and encourages the importance of knowing some basic life preserving and coping skills.  Maybe a little more common sense parenting and teaching children to deal with anger or depression in non violent ways would help a bit in a “culture of violence”?
    Post edited by PJPOWER on
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,913
    I'm just glad i had enough personal responsibility not to get killed on the way into work this morning, or in the office, or at the convenience store i went to for lunch.  i hope i still have enough personal responsibility to make it home tonight.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    pjhawks said:
    I'm just glad i had enough personal responsibility not to get killed on the way into work this morning, or in the office, or at the convenience store i went to for lunch.  i hope i still have enough personal responsibility to make it home tonight.
    hey, lucky you didn't get rammed by some crazed lunatic driver on the way to work. but if one had come your way, maybe good defensive driving skills could have helped. Maybe they couldn't, but since it's not 100%, you're right, I suppose that would be a total waste of time. 
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited October 2017
    pjhawks said:
    I'm just glad i had enough personal responsibility not to get killed on the way into work this morning, or in the office, or at the convenience store i went to for lunch.  i hope i still have enough personal responsibility to make it home tonight.
    Where did you learn to drive and why?  How do you get out of your office if there is a fire?  How did you know which burrito to avoid at the convenience store?  Is all of the above knowledge something that makes you safer and prepared?  Maybe, just maybe, if you did your part and furthered that foundation of knowledge, you might very well be prepared if other situations ever presented themselves.  I sure as hell hope that if I am ever choking in a restaurant, at least one other person has taken a first aid class and knows what to do...Sorry if I believe every responsible person should.
    Post edited by PJPOWER on
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