America's Gun Violence

PJ_Soul said:

I think the culture that leads to people wanting to own 20 guns is what we need to be concerned about, and the fact that each person who does it is perpetuating that culture and passing it along.

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

I think the culture that leads to people wanting to own 20 guns is what we need to be concerned about, and the fact that each person who does it is perpetuating that culture and passing it along.

yes, I have mentioned in a previous post, it's not as simple as legislation. it's mental health, it's the culture, lack of education/respect of firearms, it's a whole shitload of factors. 

mcgruff10 said:

The number of guns owned is irrelevant. You can only use one at a time. 

mcgruff10 said:

I m not entrenched, I am very open minded. But I don't think government should dictate how many weapons you own.  

PJPOWER said:

brianlux said:

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HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

ledvedderman said:

I'm no hunter. I hate guns. I hate that my 9 year old son has guns and hunts with his step dad. Having said that, where I am in southern IL, deer hunting is quite important for over populating concerns. Do people use that as justification to hunt when they know nothing of what curbing the population really entails? Yes. But it's still important. So it serves a purpose in theory. So, while you don't agree with it Soul (like me), it's not as simple as just not liking how animals are killed. 

I am aware of the culling theory... and I strongly disagree with it, just because that argument boils down to humans thinking they matter more than the wild animals in the area do. I don't give a shit if humans are inconvenienced because they have encroached upon the animals' habitat. I don't care if the deer snarl traffic (build more crossings for them) or eat everyone's vegetable gardens because they didn't fence it well enough. Yes, I am an avid wild animal welfare advocate, and I'm aware that my views might seem extreme to some, but that's fine with me. Besides, nature tends to take care of these things, if only people would give it the opportunity to. And even with dangerous wild animals in populated areas, I strongly disagree with killing them. I think every single effort should be made to relocate them, and if I have to pay more taxes for that to happen, I'm happy to do so. If the authorities could shoot a bear or cougar dead, then they could have shot it with a tranquilizer dart. No excuses work for me unless we're talking about a mauling/attack situation, literally (obviously all bets are off during animal attacks, and FWIW, I think if someone lives in an area where a bear or cougar (or whatever) attack is a valid concern, carrying a gun for protection is perfectly fine).
But really, that isn't all that relevant to me at the end of the day, because these hunters who use culling as a justification to go sport hunting are still going out to kill for pleasure. Culling is just a convenient excuse to talk away the fact that they are murdering wild animals for fun. I think people who do that have a bit of a screw loose (and some a really big, really lose screw, like those fuckers who go to Africa and kill endangered species like the fucking Trump sons do - that is purely psychopathic IMO). Sorry hunters, but that's just how I feel.

yeah, I've never understood the whole "controlling the (insert animal here) population" argument. nature, as you said, takes care of it on its own. always has. long before humans were here. humans need to stop fucking with nature as if we're the caretakers of the earth. we're not. 

I think this is just another in a long list of weak arguments for gun ownership. 

The problem is that humans have already changed the ecosystem by introducing invasive species/poor farming practices, cities, etc.  In many of the southern states, wild hogs (an invasive species that man introduced to the country) have cause millions upon millions of dollars of damage to agriculture and have destroyed the habitat for other animals as well.  Same with pythons in Florida.  If deer overpopulate, there is something called Chronic Wasting Disease that will wipe out entire populations of them.  Some invasive species will even overpopulate and bring diseases like the plague or rabies into domestic areas.  There are plenty arguments for wildlife population control that I have not mentioned here.  Myself, I am a hunter.  I usually harvest two deer a year and it feeds my family almost all year long.  I hunt wild hogs because they destroy my family’s farmland that is used to produce wheat, livestock feed.  If you are simply against farming and ranching, then do not even bother commenting because I will not respect you from the start...sorry.
As far as the “three guns is all you need” comments...You obviously know nothing about hunting.  Different calibers are used for different animals.  Who are you to decide what someone else needs to protect their home/land or feed their family?  Animal rights activists are often the ones responsible for fucking the environment by releasing wolves into areas that they do not belong, invasive species of fish into lakes, etc.  I would say that hunters have actually contributed to the environment way more than your average PETA supporter, if by nothing else purchasing hunting licenses which funds go towards habitat restoration efforts.  Get off your high horse...

Wrong.  Don't talk about things of which you have little or no knowledge. 

Oh I have plenty of knowledge in this area and that portion of my comment is most definitely correct.  They are the same ones that try to load deer into their cars in Yellowstone to “save them”.  I have several aquantances in the forest service that have stayed what I just did.

Forest service.   Ahhh, right...

You’re right, I should believe some eccentric on the AMT forums.  Much more credible sources here...

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

I m not entrenched, I am very open minded. But I don't think government should dictate how many weapons you own.  

Sounds like your mind is made up and no body count is going to change it.

Is it because that's what you believe is better for your family and society, or because you can't bear the thought of losing your toys?

And hey, listen, it's not my intent to pick on you.
You are a rational and good guy, and if anyone can see the other side and why a switch might be necessary, it's you.

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

I m not entrenched, I am very open minded. But I don't think government should dictate how many weapons you own.  

Sounds like your mind is made up and no body count is going to change it.

Is it because that's what you believe is better for your family and society, or because you can't bear the thought of losing your toys?

And hey, listen, it's not my intent to pick on you.
You are a rational and good guy, and if anyone can see the other side and why a switch might be necessary, it's you.

My mind is made up on that but I m all for criminal/mental background checks for each purchase, registration for each firearm purchased, and some sort of safety course before your first firearm purchase. 
Damn I used the word purchase a lot lol. 

rgambs said:

Something I've noticed in the last few pages of this thread is the misinformation that's floating around the side that likes to claim gun expertise and openly mock their opposition for not knowing the difference between a clip and magazine, and so on.

Bump slides were illegal to purchase?  Legal to purchase but not legal to use?  A string can be used as a bump slide?
Wrong.


And now they are selling out at every gunship, because that's what gun nuts are, paranoid losers who love their boomsticks in unnatural ways.