PJ_Soul said:

Apparently, 80% of murders of white people are committed by other white people. You really never hear about that either. I don't think it's helpful at all to try and ignore or deny the massive role that racism/race relations plays in public perceptions of crime. I understand it's unpleasant to acknowledge, but the only way to solve something is to face it head on, not try to pretend it's not so bad and hope it goes away on its own.

bootlegger10 said:

josevolution said:

bootlegger10 said:

josevolution said:

pjhawks said:

RunIntoTheRain said:

oftenreading said:

RunIntoTheRain said:

I always wonder how someone that could do such a horrific thing could not have given off some clues about their mental instability.

Please don't equate violence and mental "instability"/mental illness. 

Come on. I'm not saying mental instability equals violence. I'm saying to commit violence in this manner, something is wrong with your way of thinking and I would think your behavior beforehand would likely indicate something, at least in hindsight.

here is the part i don't get. they said he checked on Thursday. Are you telling me no one cleaned his room and/or saw anything in that room since Thursday? it is that easy to hide high powered rifles and ammo?

Never mind how about the fact that he was able to just get all those items into casino ? he could of just left the do not disturbe sign on door they absolutly respect those ....

Could have easily brought that stuff in a golf bag.  Definitely big enough and no one would look twice at it.

So the answer is to do what to avoid this kind of scenario ?

For now I don't think hotels should do anything.  I don't want to live in a police state and that is what happened with the Patriot Act.   Now if these type of hotel shootings continue then I think the hotels would need to act.

We need stronger gun control legislation for sure.

KC138045 said:

rgambs said:

KC138045 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

crookedcross said:

PJ_Soul said:

crookedcross said:

oftenreading said:

Terrorists indeed come in many forms. In the USA, those of the white male form outnumber all the others. 

wtf

Well it's true. Everyone is terrified of the brown variety, while the greater risk by far are the white domestics. American fears are not often based on reality.

Just didn't think there was a need to bring color in.  Zero purpose behind pointing out or even mentioning any color.  Nobody cares.  If you're a scumbag, you're a scumbag who gives a fuck about the color or which color has more 

it's important because there is a cognitive disconnect between what actually happens vs what people fear; it's important to point out that the overwhelming majority of deaths in the US are at the hands of american white men, yet the republicans will have you believe it is foreign brown people you need to fear. 

why?

US politicians are funded by one, and not by the other. 

it is amazing how easily fooled the american public can be fooled when it's trotted out as being denied a right to something. 

And the majority of black deaths are committed by other blacks.  But these stories don't sell newspapers or get TV news ratings.

What the hell is the relevance of that? 
African Americans aren't even being discussed here.
Seems really weird that you'd trot that old line out at a time like this.

"it's important to point out that the overwhelming majority of deaths in the US are at the hands of american white men, yet the republicans will have you believe it is foreign brown people you need to fear."

It was in response to this statement.  Saying republicans are trying make eveyone believe we need to fear the brown people is the same as every story of a black man being shot by a white man getting 24 hour news coverage and nothing about the black on black crime. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

KC138045 said:

rgambs said:

KC138045 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

crookedcross said:

PJ_Soul said:

crookedcross said:

oftenreading said:

Terrorists indeed come in many forms. In the USA, those of the white male form outnumber all the others. 

wtf

Well it's true. Everyone is terrified of the brown variety, while the greater risk by far are the white domestics. American fears are not often based on reality.

Just didn't think there was a need to bring color in.  Zero purpose behind pointing out or even mentioning any color.  Nobody cares.  If you're a scumbag, you're a scumbag who gives a fuck about the color or which color has more 

it's important because there is a cognitive disconnect between what actually happens vs what people fear; it's important to point out that the overwhelming majority of deaths in the US are at the hands of american white men, yet the republicans will have you believe it is foreign brown people you need to fear. 

why?

US politicians are funded by one, and not by the other. 

it is amazing how easily fooled the american public can be fooled when it's trotted out as being denied a right to something. 

And the majority of black deaths are committed by other blacks.  But these stories don't sell newspapers or get TV news ratings.

What the hell is the relevance of that? 
African Americans aren't even being discussed here.
Seems really weird that you'd trot that old line out at a time like this.

"it's important to point out that the overwhelming majority of deaths in the US are at the hands of american white men, yet the republicans will have you believe it is foreign brown people you need to fear."

It was in response to this statement.  Saying republicans are trying make eveyone believe we need to fear the brown people is the same as every story of a black man being shot by a white man getting 24 hour news coverage and nothing about the black on black crime. 

you don't think a disproportionate amount of attention and fear-mongering is done with regards to Muslims and Islam in general and "we need to be tough on immigration"? and then you have white men shooting up crowds of people, and the right is steadfast in its "gun ownership is my right"?

tbergs said:

bootlegger10 said:

josevolution said:

bootlegger10 said:

josevolution said:

pjhawks said:

RunIntoTheRain said:

oftenreading said:

RunIntoTheRain said:

I always wonder how someone that could do such a horrific thing could not have given off some clues about their mental instability.

Please don't equate violence and mental "instability"/mental illness. 

Come on. I'm not saying mental instability equals violence. I'm saying to commit violence in this manner, something is wrong with your way of thinking and I would think your behavior beforehand would likely indicate something, at least in hindsight.

here is the part i don't get. they said he checked on Thursday. Are you telling me no one cleaned his room and/or saw anything in that room since Thursday? it is that easy to hide high powered rifles and ammo?

Never mind how about the fact that he was able to just get all those items into casino ? he could of just left the do not disturbe sign on door they absolutly respect those ....

Could have easily brought that stuff in a golf bag.  Definitely big enough and no one would look twice at it.

So the answer is to do what to avoid this kind of scenario ?

For now I don't think hotels should do anything.  I don't want to live in a police state and that is what happened with the Patriot Act.   Now if these type of hotel shootings continue then I think the hotels would need to act.

We need stronger gun control legislation for sure.

What truly shows our ignorance as a country is that we're looking at this from the perspective of how the hotel could do a better job preventing this guy from hauling in his Normandy Beach invasion do it yourself kit. You're absolutely right, hotels shouldn't do anything because they aren't the root cause. Whatever they do is just a stop gap.

It's like we do the opposite of what should be done. Mass shooting happens, buy more guns. We're willing to spend millions, probably billions, on personnel and hardware which then only fuels the same industry who is leading us into the burning building and does nothing to address the problem.

We've been focused on school and workplace shootings so much that our response and prevention of them has become better, but people are still being killed and will always be killed. This is the evolution of the mass shooter. Find more victims with less chance for survival based on geography and vulnerability.  How about for once we attack the problem at the source; gun manufacturing and ownership, rules, laws and policies.

When meth labs started popping up across the country and people were blowing themselves up left and right in their mobile shit holes we determined that limiting and tracking the purchase of pseudoephedrine would help prevent the home lab issue. Unfortunately Mexico had the super labs and no restrictions so production there peaked, but it was successful in the US.

How many mass shootings will it take before we can do something similar with firearms and ammunition? Limiting daily, weekly, monthly and annual purchases of ammo. What about the amount of guns you can own (probably never happen)?

tbergs said:

bootlegger10 said:

josevolution said:

bootlegger10 said:

josevolution said:

pjhawks said:

RunIntoTheRain said:

oftenreading said:

RunIntoTheRain said:

I always wonder how someone that could do such a horrific thing could not have given off some clues about their mental instability.

Please don't equate violence and mental "instability"/mental illness. 

Come on. I'm not saying mental instability equals violence. I'm saying to commit violence in this manner, something is wrong with your way of thinking and I would think your behavior beforehand would likely indicate something, at least in hindsight.

here is the part i don't get. they said he checked on Thursday. Are you telling me no one cleaned his room and/or saw anything in that room since Thursday? it is that easy to hide high powered rifles and ammo?

Never mind how about the fact that he was able to just get all those items into casino ? he could of just left the do not disturbe sign on door they absolutly respect those ....

Could have easily brought that stuff in a golf bag.  Definitely big enough and no one would look twice at it.

So the answer is to do what to avoid this kind of scenario ?

For now I don't think hotels should do anything.  I don't want to live in a police state and that is what happened with the Patriot Act.   Now if these type of hotel shootings continue then I think the hotels would need to act.

We need stronger gun control legislation for sure.

What truly shows our ignorance as a country is that we're looking at this from the perspective of how the hotel could do a better job preventing this guy from hauling in his Normandy Beach invasion do it yourself kit. You're absolutely right, hotels shouldn't do anything because they aren't the root cause. Whatever they do is just a stop gap.

It's like we do the opposite of what should be done. Mass shooting happens, buy more guns. We're willing to spend millions, probably billions, on personnel and hardware which then only fuels the same industry who is leading us into the burning building and does nothing to address the problem.

We've been focused on school and workplace shootings so much that our response and prevention of them has become better, but people are still being killed and will always be killed. This is the evolution of the mass shooter. Find more victims with less chance for survival based on geography and vulnerability.  How about for once we attack the problem at the source; gun manufacturing and ownership, rules, laws and policies.

When meth labs started popping up across the country and people were blowing themselves up left and right in their mobile shit holes we determined that limiting and tracking the purchase of pseudoephedrine would help prevent the home lab issue. Unfortunately Mexico had the super labs and no restrictions so production there peaked, but it was successful in the US.

How many mass shootings will it take before we can do something similar with firearms and ammunition? Limiting daily, weekly, monthly and annual purchases of ammo. What about the amount of guns you can own (probably never happen)?

tempo_n_groove said:

tbergs said:

bootlegger10 said:

josevolution said:

bootlegger10 said:

josevolution said:

pjhawks said:

RunIntoTheRain said:

oftenreading said:

RunIntoTheRain said:

I always wonder how someone that could do such a horrific thing could not have given off some clues about their mental instability.

Please don't equate violence and mental "instability"/mental illness. 

Come on. I'm not saying mental instability equals violence. I'm saying to commit violence in this manner, something is wrong with your way of thinking and I would think your behavior beforehand would likely indicate something, at least in hindsight.

here is the part i don't get. they said he checked on Thursday. Are you telling me no one cleaned his room and/or saw anything in that room since Thursday? it is that easy to hide high powered rifles and ammo?

Never mind how about the fact that he was able to just get all those items into casino ? he could of just left the do not disturbe sign on door they absolutly respect those ....

Could have easily brought that stuff in a golf bag.  Definitely big enough and no one would look twice at it.

So the answer is to do what to avoid this kind of scenario ?

For now I don't think hotels should do anything.  I don't want to live in a police state and that is what happened with the Patriot Act.   Now if these type of hotel shootings continue then I think the hotels would need to act.

We need stronger gun control legislation for sure.

What truly shows our ignorance as a country is that we're looking at this from the perspective of how the hotel could do a better job preventing this guy from hauling in his Normandy Beach invasion do it yourself kit. You're absolutely right, hotels shouldn't do anything because they aren't the root cause. Whatever they do is just a stop gap.

It's like we do the opposite of what should be done. Mass shooting happens, buy more guns. We're willing to spend millions, probably billions, on personnel and hardware which then only fuels the same industry who is leading us into the burning building and does nothing to address the problem.

We've been focused on school and workplace shootings so much that our response and prevention of them has become better, but people are still being killed and will always be killed. This is the evolution of the mass shooter. Find more victims with less chance for survival based on geography and vulnerability.  How about for once we attack the problem at the source; gun manufacturing and ownership, rules, laws and policies.

When meth labs started popping up across the country and people were blowing themselves up left and right in their mobile shit holes we determined that limiting and tracking the purchase of pseudoephedrine would help prevent the home lab issue. Unfortunately Mexico had the super labs and no restrictions so production there peaked, but it was successful in the US.

How many mass shootings will it take before we can do something similar with firearms and ammunition? Limiting daily, weekly, monthly and annual purchases of ammo. What about the amount of guns you can own (probably never happen)?

These are things as gun owners that we don't want people to take away from us.

When I shot competitively I would go through 1000 rounds a week easy.  It was my hobby and pastime.  Put a limit on my purchases and I can't do any practicing.

You could allow me to buy and store them at my local gun shop though, that might be viable for me but not the gun shop.

It's a tough thing to figure out but what is a happy medium?

tbergs said:

KC138045 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Apparently, 80% of murders of white people are committed by other white people. You really never hear about that either. I don't think it's helpful at all to try and ignore or deny the massive role that racism/race relations plays in public perceptions of crime. I understand it's unpleasant to acknowledge, but the only way to solve something is to face it head on, not try to pretend it's not so bad and hope it goes away on its own.

I'm not trying to ignore it all and I agree that race plays a huge role in how a crime is perceived.  But that is also because of how crimes like these are reported a lot times.  Whether if its correct or not when you hear about a cop shooting you automatically assume its a white cop shooting a black person and it events like today the first thought is that it was committed by an Islamic terrorist.  Too many conclusions before facts are presented.

I never once thought this act today was committed by an Islamic terrorist. It would have really gone against the norm, but your point is still valid because the majority of Americans probably believe that is the case before the facts come out. They've been trained well by the media and politicians with agendas.

rgambs said:

At a certain point, when the bodies are piling up by the dozens, I simply no longer have any fucks to give about somebody's hobby.
Seriously.

rgambs said:

At a certain point, when the bodies are piling up by the dozens, I simply no longer have any fucks to give about somebody's hobby.
Seriously.