America's Gun Violence

mattsl1983 said:

rgambs said:

mattsl1983 said:

pjhawks said:

mattsl1983 said:

So we don't know if these guns were obtained legally.  Automatic guns are extremely hard and expensive to obtain legally.  I support the 2nd amendment.  I have zero blood on my hands.  If you support illegal immigration and an illegal immigrant kills someone, does that mean you have blood on your hands?  Some of these responses are so out there and are just knee jerk reactions.  "Ban the guns!"  "This wouldn't happen if guns were illegal!". My question will be once the facts come in, and if these guns were obtained illegally, how would changing gun laws prevented this?  If the gun was already illegal and obtained illegally then would one more law have made the person stop and say, "oh jeez, I was okay with breaking this law and shooting a bunch of people, but now that they passed this new law, I just don't want to risk it."

At least wait for facts to come in before politicizing and exploiting this situation for your own beliefs.  It's a terrible situation that should never have happened.  Let's get to the issue of why it happened and what could have been done to prevent it.  I think it's best to wait for facts to come in to be able to do that with a clear mind.  Emotional reactions aren't always the best and most thought out reactions.  Just saying.

no, because even if this is a case where someone purchased these illegally it's still fucking insane to think someone can purchase a weapon meant for combat legally in this country.  whether this event happened or not it's still insane we allow those type of guns to be obtained by citizens.  so no let's politicize the fucker now.

So you are going to attack someone's rights, that if they can pass the extensive background check, that has nothing to do with what happened?  Should we ban alcohol because a minor gets his hands on some and drives drunk and kills someone?  

Well we did ban alcohol for minors, and we did make it illegal to sell to a minor, and we did make it illegal to drive intoxicated, and we did set up a system of regulatory laws to control the production and distribution of alcohol soooo...yeah, not a good analogy bud.

How so?  With all these laws and regulations in effect, there is no possible way a minor can get their hands on alcohol right?  I'm glad, cause I sure would hate to ever hear of a drunk 18 year old crashing and dying, or worse killing someone else.  That would never happen because laws and regulations are put in place right?  

mattsl1983 said:

rgambs said:

mattsl1983 said:

pjhawks said:

mattsl1983 said:

So we don't know if these guns were obtained legally.  Automatic guns are extremely hard and expensive to obtain legally.  I support the 2nd amendment.  I have zero blood on my hands.  If you support illegal immigration and an illegal immigrant kills someone, does that mean you have blood on your hands?  Some of these responses are so out there and are just knee jerk reactions.  "Ban the guns!"  "This wouldn't happen if guns were illegal!". My question will be once the facts come in, and if these guns were obtained illegally, how would changing gun laws prevented this?  If the gun was already illegal and obtained illegally then would one more law have made the person stop and say, "oh jeez, I was okay with breaking this law and shooting a bunch of people, but now that they passed this new law, I just don't want to risk it."

At least wait for facts to come in before politicizing and exploiting this situation for your own beliefs.  It's a terrible situation that should never have happened.  Let's get to the issue of why it happened and what could have been done to prevent it.  I think it's best to wait for facts to come in to be able to do that with a clear mind.  Emotional reactions aren't always the best and most thought out reactions.  Just saying.

no, because even if this is a case where someone purchased these illegally it's still fucking insane to think someone can purchase a weapon meant for combat legally in this country.  whether this event happened or not it's still insane we allow those type of guns to be obtained by citizens.  so no let's politicize the fucker now.

So you are going to attack someone's rights, that if they can pass the extensive background check, that has nothing to do with what happened?  Should we ban alcohol because a minor gets his hands on some and drives drunk and kills someone?  

Well we did ban alcohol for minors, and we did make it illegal to sell to a minor, and we did make it illegal to drive intoxicated, and we did set up a system of regulatory laws to control the production and distribution of alcohol soooo...yeah, not a good analogy bud.

How so?  With all these laws and regulations in effect, there is no possible way a minor can get their hands on alcohol right?  I'm glad, cause I sure would hate to ever hear of a drunk 18 year old crashing and dying, or worse killing someone else.  That would never happen because laws and regulations are put in place right?  

pjhawks said:

mattsl1983 said:

rgambs said:

mattsl1983 said:

pjhawks said:

mattsl1983 said:

So we don't know if these guns were obtained legally.  Automatic guns are extremely hard and expensive to obtain legally.  I support the 2nd amendment.  I have zero blood on my hands.  If you support illegal immigration and an illegal immigrant kills someone, does that mean you have blood on your hands?  Some of these responses are so out there and are just knee jerk reactions.  "Ban the guns!"  "This wouldn't happen if guns were illegal!". My question will be once the facts come in, and if these guns were obtained illegally, how would changing gun laws prevented this?  If the gun was already illegal and obtained illegally then would one more law have made the person stop and say, "oh jeez, I was okay with breaking this law and shooting a bunch of people, but now that they passed this new law, I just don't want to risk it."

At least wait for facts to come in before politicizing and exploiting this situation for your own beliefs.  It's a terrible situation that should never have happened.  Let's get to the issue of why it happened and what could have been done to prevent it.  I think it's best to wait for facts to come in to be able to do that with a clear mind.  Emotional reactions aren't always the best and most thought out reactions.  Just saying.

no, because even if this is a case where someone purchased these illegally it's still fucking insane to think someone can purchase a weapon meant for combat legally in this country.  whether this event happened or not it's still insane we allow those type of guns to be obtained by citizens.  so no let's politicize the fucker now.

So you are going to attack someone's rights, that if they can pass the extensive background check, that has nothing to do with what happened?  Should we ban alcohol because a minor gets his hands on some and drives drunk and kills someone?  

Well we did ban alcohol for minors, and we did make it illegal to sell to a minor, and we did make it illegal to drive intoxicated, and we did set up a system of regulatory laws to control the production and distribution of alcohol soooo...yeah, not a good analogy bud.

How so?  With all these laws and regulations in effect, there is no possible way a minor can get their hands on alcohol right?  I'm glad, cause I sure would hate to ever hear of a drunk 18 year old crashing and dying, or worse killing someone else.  That would never happen because laws and regulations are put in place right?  

every law is broken by someone at some point. do you think we should have no laws and regulations on anything..or just your guns?

josevolution said:

bootlegger10 said:

josevolution said:

pjhawks said:

RunIntoTheRain said:

oftenreading said:

RunIntoTheRain said:

I always wonder how someone that could do such a horrific thing could not have given off some clues about their mental instability.

Please don't equate violence and mental "instability"/mental illness. 

Come on. I'm not saying mental instability equals violence. I'm saying to commit violence in this manner, something is wrong with your way of thinking and I would think your behavior beforehand would likely indicate something, at least in hindsight.

here is the part i don't get. they said he checked on Thursday. Are you telling me no one cleaned his room and/or saw anything in that room since Thursday? it is that easy to hide high powered rifles and ammo?

Never mind how about the fact that he was able to just get all those items into casino ? he could of just left the do not disturbe sign on door they absolutly respect those ....

Could have easily brought that stuff in a golf bag.  Definitely big enough and no one would look twice at it.

So the answer is to do what to avoid this kind of scenario ?

mattsl1983 said:

pjhawks said:

mattsl1983 said:

rgambs said:

mattsl1983 said:

pjhawks said:

mattsl1983 said:

So we don't know if these guns were obtained legally.  Automatic guns are extremely hard and expensive to obtain legally.  I support the 2nd amendment.  I have zero blood on my hands.  If you support illegal immigration and an illegal immigrant kills someone, does that mean you have blood on your hands?  Some of these responses are so out there and are just knee jerk reactions.  "Ban the guns!"  "This wouldn't happen if guns were illegal!". My question will be once the facts come in, and if these guns were obtained illegally, how would changing gun laws prevented this?  If the gun was already illegal and obtained illegally then would one more law have made the person stop and say, "oh jeez, I was okay with breaking this law and shooting a bunch of people, but now that they passed this new law, I just don't want to risk it."

At least wait for facts to come in before politicizing and exploiting this situation for your own beliefs.  It's a terrible situation that should never have happened.  Let's get to the issue of why it happened and what could have been done to prevent it.  I think it's best to wait for facts to come in to be able to do that with a clear mind.  Emotional reactions aren't always the best and most thought out reactions.  Just saying.

no, because even if this is a case where someone purchased these illegally it's still fucking insane to think someone can purchase a weapon meant for combat legally in this country.  whether this event happened or not it's still insane we allow those type of guns to be obtained by citizens.  so no let's politicize the fucker now.

So you are going to attack someone's rights, that if they can pass the extensive background check, that has nothing to do with what happened?  Should we ban alcohol because a minor gets his hands on some and drives drunk and kills someone?  

Well we did ban alcohol for minors, and we did make it illegal to sell to a minor, and we did make it illegal to drive intoxicated, and we did set up a system of regulatory laws to control the production and distribution of alcohol soooo...yeah, not a good analogy bud.

How so?  With all these laws and regulations in effect, there is no possible way a minor can get their hands on alcohol right?  I'm glad, cause I sure would hate to ever hear of a drunk 18 year old crashing and dying, or worse killing someone else.  That would never happen because laws and regulations are put in place right?  

every law is broken by someone at some point. do you think we should have no laws and regulations on anything..or just your guns?

Huh?  Last time I checked we do have laws and regulations on guns.  But at least you admit that every law gets broken at some point, so there is that.  Also, even though I support the second amendment, I do not own a gun.  

Those laws and regulations are very obviously insufficient, so why do you reject the idea of making them more effective?

my2hands said:

I'm not living in fear because of a few scumbags

crookedcross said:

PJ_Soul said:

crookedcross said:

oftenreading said:

Terrorists indeed come in many forms. In the USA, those of the white male form outnumber all the others. 

wtf

Well it's true. Everyone is terrified of the brown variety, while the greater risk by far are the white domestics. American fears are not often based on reality.

Just didn't think there was a need to bring color in.  Zero purpose behind pointing out or even mentioning any color.  Nobody cares.  If you're a scumbag, you're a scumbag who gives a fuck about the color or which color has more 

crookedcross said:

PJ_Soul said:

crookedcross said:

oftenreading said:

Terrorists indeed come in many forms. In the USA, those of the white male form outnumber all the others. 

wtf

Well it's true. Everyone is terrified of the brown variety, while the greater risk by far are the white domestics. American fears are not often based on reality.

Just didn't think there was a need to bring color in.  Zero purpose behind pointing out or even mentioning any color.  Nobody cares.  If you're a scumbag, you're a scumbag. Who gives a fuck about the color or which color has more scumbags

KC138045 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

crookedcross said:

PJ_Soul said:

crookedcross said:

oftenreading said:

Terrorists indeed come in many forms. In the USA, those of the white male form outnumber all the others. 

wtf

Well it's true. Everyone is terrified of the brown variety, while the greater risk by far are the white domestics. American fears are not often based on reality.

Just didn't think there was a need to bring color in.  Zero purpose behind pointing out or even mentioning any color.  Nobody cares.  If you're a scumbag, you're a scumbag who gives a fuck about the color or which color has more 

it's important because there is a cognitive disconnect between what actually happens vs what people fear; it's important to point out that the overwhelming majority of deaths in the US are at the hands of american white men, yet the republicans will have you believe it is foreign brown people you need to fear. 

why?

US politicians are funded by one, and not by the other. 

it is amazing how easily fooled the american public can be fooled when it's trotted out as being denied a right to something. 

And the majority of black deaths are committed by other blacks.  But these stories don't sell newspapers or get TV news ratings.

KC138045 said:

rgambs said:

KC138045 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

crookedcross said:

PJ_Soul said:

crookedcross said:

oftenreading said:

Terrorists indeed come in many forms. In the USA, those of the white male form outnumber all the others. 

wtf

Well it's true. Everyone is terrified of the brown variety, while the greater risk by far are the white domestics. American fears are not often based on reality.

Just didn't think there was a need to bring color in.  Zero purpose behind pointing out or even mentioning any color.  Nobody cares.  If you're a scumbag, you're a scumbag who gives a fuck about the color or which color has more 

it's important because there is a cognitive disconnect between what actually happens vs what people fear; it's important to point out that the overwhelming majority of deaths in the US are at the hands of american white men, yet the republicans will have you believe it is foreign brown people you need to fear. 

why?

US politicians are funded by one, and not by the other. 

it is amazing how easily fooled the american public can be fooled when it's trotted out as being denied a right to something. 

And the majority of black deaths are committed by other blacks.  But these stories don't sell newspapers or get TV news ratings.

What the hell is the relevance of that? 
African Americans aren't even being discussed here.
Seems really weird that you'd trot that old line out at a time like this.

"it's important to point out that the overwhelming majority of deaths in the US are at the hands of american white men, yet the republicans will have you believe it is foreign brown people you need to fear."

It was in response to this statement.  Saying republicans are trying make eveyone believe we need to fear the brown people is the same as every story of a black man being shot by a white man getting 24 hour news coverage and nothing about the black on black crime.