America's Gun Violence

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  • RunIntoTheRain
    RunIntoTheRain Texas Posts: 1,032
    oftenreading said:
    RunIntoTheRain said:
    I always wonder how someone that could do such a horrific thing could not have given off some clues about their mental instability.
    Please don't equate violence and mental "instability"/mental illness. 
    Come on. I'm not saying mental instability equals violence. I'm saying to commit violence in this manner, something is wrong with your way of thinking and I would think your behavior beforehand would likely indicate something, at least in hindsight.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    oftenreading said:
    RunIntoTheRain said:
    I always wonder how someone that could do such a horrific thing could not have given off some clues about their mental instability.
    Please don't equate violence and mental "instability"/mental illness. 
    why? you'd have to be unstable to do something like this, don't you think?
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    RunIntoTheRain said:
    oftenreading said:
    RunIntoTheRain said:
    I always wonder how someone that could do such a horrific thing could not have given off some clues about their mental instability.
    Please don't equate violence and mental "instability"/mental illness. 
    Come on. I'm not saying mental instability equals violence. I'm saying to commit violence in this manner, something is wrong with your way of thinking and I would think your behavior beforehand would likely indicate something, at least in hindsight.
    That's a clearer way of explaining it than just saying "mental instability". 

    The automatic assumption that anyone who perpetrates violence must be mentally ill flies against a substantial body of evidence and simply perpetuates stigma against people who do have mental illness. 
     
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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,912
    RunIntoTheRain said:
    oftenreading said:
    RunIntoTheRain said:
    I always wonder how someone that could do such a horrific thing could not have given off some clues about their mental instability.
    Please don't equate violence and mental "instability"/mental illness. 
    Come on. I'm not saying mental instability equals violence. I'm saying to commit violence in this manner, something is wrong with your way of thinking and I would think your behavior beforehand would likely indicate something, at least in hindsight.
    here is the part i don't get. they said he checked on Thursday. Are you telling me no one cleaned his room and/or saw anything in that room since Thursday? it is that easy to hide high powered rifles and ammo?


  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,604
    pjhawks said:
    RunIntoTheRain said:
    oftenreading said:
    RunIntoTheRain said:
    I always wonder how someone that could do such a horrific thing could not have given off some clues about their mental instability.
    Please don't equate violence and mental "instability"/mental illness. 
    Come on. I'm not saying mental instability equals violence. I'm saying to commit violence in this manner, something is wrong with your way of thinking and I would think your behavior beforehand would likely indicate something, at least in hindsight.
    here is the part i don't get. they said he checked on Thursday. Are you telling me no one cleaned his room and/or saw anything in that room since Thursday? it is that easy to hide high powered rifles and ammo?


    Never mind how about the fact that he was able to just get all those items into casino ? he could of just left the do not disturbe sign on door they absolutly respect those ....
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,116
    josevolution said:
    pjhawks said:
    RunIntoTheRain said:
    oftenreading said:
    RunIntoTheRain said:
    I always wonder how someone that could do such a horrific thing could not have given off some clues about their mental instability.
    Please don't equate violence and mental "instability"/mental illness. 
    Come on. I'm not saying mental instability equals violence. I'm saying to commit violence in this manner, something is wrong with your way of thinking and I would think your behavior beforehand would likely indicate something, at least in hindsight.
    here is the part i don't get. they said he checked on Thursday. Are you telling me no one cleaned his room and/or saw anything in that room since Thursday? it is that easy to hide high powered rifles and ammo?


    Never mind how about the fact that he was able to just get all those items into casino ? he could of just left the do not disturbe sign on door they absolutly respect those ....
    He could have broken them down piece by piece.  Absolute craziness that this happened. 
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  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,256
    josevolution said:
    pjhawks said:
    RunIntoTheRain said:
    oftenreading said:
    RunIntoTheRain said:
    I always wonder how someone that could do such a horrific thing could not have given off some clues about their mental instability.
    Please don't equate violence and mental "instability"/mental illness. 
    Come on. I'm not saying mental instability equals violence. I'm saying to commit violence in this manner, something is wrong with your way of thinking and I would think your behavior beforehand would likely indicate something, at least in hindsight.
    here is the part i don't get. they said he checked on Thursday. Are you telling me no one cleaned his room and/or saw anything in that room since Thursday? it is that easy to hide high powered rifles and ammo?


    Never mind how about the fact that he was able to just get all those items into casino ? he could of just left the do not disturbe sign on door they absolutly respect those ....
    Could have easily brought that stuff in a golf bag.  Definitely big enough and no one would look twice at it.
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,604
    bootlegger10 said:
    josevolution said:
    pjhawks said:
    RunIntoTheRain said:
    oftenreading said:
    RunIntoTheRain said:
    I always wonder how someone that could do such a horrific thing could not have given off some clues about their mental instability.
    Please don't equate violence and mental "instability"/mental illness. 
    Come on. I'm not saying mental instability equals violence. I'm saying to commit violence in this manner, something is wrong with your way of thinking and I would think your behavior beforehand would likely indicate something, at least in hindsight.
    here is the part i don't get. they said he checked on Thursday. Are you telling me no one cleaned his room and/or saw anything in that room since Thursday? it is that easy to hide high powered rifles and ammo?


    Never mind how about the fact that he was able to just get all those items into casino ? he could of just left the do not disturbe sign on door they absolutly respect those ....
    Could have easily brought that stuff in a golf bag.  Definitely big enough and no one would look twice at it.
    So the answer is to do what to avoid this kind of scenario ?
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,305
    He essentially had 3.5 days to set up so I'm guessing he made several trips getting everything up to his room to seem inconspicuous.  Appears that he was set up in one of the corner suites to shoot from two different angles.  Odd that no one sensed him acting differently because this seems like the type of assault that would take years to organize without raising suspension or red flags from anyone.
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,372
    josevolution said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    josevolution said:
    pjhawks said:
    RunIntoTheRain said:
    oftenreading said:
    RunIntoTheRain said:
    I always wonder how someone that could do such a horrific thing could not have given off some clues about their mental instability.
    Please don't equate violence and mental "instability"/mental illness. 
    Come on. I'm not saying mental instability equals violence. I'm saying to commit violence in this manner, something is wrong with your way of thinking and I would think your behavior beforehand would likely indicate something, at least in hindsight.
    here is the part i don't get. they said he checked on Thursday. Are you telling me no one cleaned his room and/or saw anything in that room since Thursday? it is that easy to hide high powered rifles and ammo?


    Never mind how about the fact that he was able to just get all those items into casino ? he could of just left the do not disturbe sign on door they absolutly respect those ....
    Could have easily brought that stuff in a golf bag.  Definitely big enough and no one would look twice at it.
    So the answer is to do what to avoid this kind of scenario ?
    This is all new Jose.  No one was prepared for this because nothing like this has happened before.

    No one has busted open a window of a hotel and shot at 40,000 people hundreds of yards away.

    Who would think that this scenario is what you'd need to prevent?!?
  • crookedcross
    crookedcross Right Near Da Beach, Boiii Posts: 1,545
    oftenreading said:
    Terrorists indeed come in many forms. In the USA, those of the white male form outnumber all the others. 
    wtf
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    edited October 2017
    rgambs said:
    Videos seem to show that it was one of those automatic weapons that nobody has.
    Yeah, that was a fully automatic weapon. I remember a while back when a few people called me completely fucking ignorant about guns for talking about the dangers of fully automatic rifles in the wrong hands. Some said these were necessarily illegal too... and now that is starting to sound untrue. Honestly, I have never been given any reason to think that so-called "experts" on the subject know wtf they're talking about, and that there is actually false information out there for them to use as ammunition against gun control (and to misinform them while they think they are well-informed) - I'm starting to think they are often full of shit and will just say anything to defend gun rights, whether it's true or not.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    crookedcross said:
    oftenreading said:
    Terrorists indeed come in many forms. In the USA, those of the white male form outnumber all the others. 
    wtf
    Well it's true. Everyone is terrified of the brown variety, while the greater risk by far are the white domestics. American fears are not often based on reality.
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,604
    tempo_n_groove said:
    josevolution said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    josevolution said:
    pjhawks said:
    RunIntoTheRain said:
    oftenreading said:
    RunIntoTheRain said:
    I always wonder how someone that could do such a horrific thing could not have given off some clues about their mental instability.
    Please don't equate violence and mental "instability"/mental illness. 
    Come on. I'm not saying mental instability equals violence. I'm saying to commit violence in this manner, something is wrong with your way of thinking and I would think your behavior beforehand would likely indicate something, at least in hindsight.
    here is the part i don't get. they said he checked on Thursday. Are you telling me no one cleaned his room and/or saw anything in that room since Thursday? it is that easy to hide high powered rifles and ammo?


    Never mind how about the fact that he was able to just get all those items into casino ? he could of just left the do not disturbe sign on door they absolutly respect those ....
    Could have easily brought that stuff in a golf bag.  Definitely big enough and no one would look twice at it.
    So the answer is to do what to avoid this kind of scenario ?
    This is all new Jose.  No one was prepared for this because nothing like this has happened before.

    No one has busted open a window of a hotel and shot at 40,000 people hundreds of yards away.

    Who would think that this scenario is what you'd need to prevent?!?
    Well it's happened so what are the answers you know what they are just like all the other shootings , i'll tell you what the answers will be nothing nada zilch this is the biggest mass shooting in this countries history till the next one ! nothing will come of this except will get to know the whole history of this man .....
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    8 charts that explain America's gun culture:

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/02/politics/guns-maps-las-vegas/index.html
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    Something isn't working, that's for sure.



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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,604
    This thread will never die ..
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    edited October 2017
    josevolution said:
    This thread will never die ..
    Sure it will.... humans aren't going to last forever brother
  • mattsl1983
    mattsl1983 Posts: 711
    rgambs said:
    mattsl1983 said:
    pjhawks said:
    mattsl1983 said:
    So we don't know if these guns were obtained legally.  Automatic guns are extremely hard and expensive to obtain legally.  I support the 2nd amendment.  I have zero blood on my hands.  If you support illegal immigration and an illegal immigrant kills someone, does that mean you have blood on your hands?  Some of these responses are so out there and are just knee jerk reactions.  "Ban the guns!"  "This wouldn't happen if guns were illegal!". My question will be once the facts come in, and if these guns were obtained illegally, how would changing gun laws prevented this?  If the gun was already illegal and obtained illegally then would one more law have made the person stop and say, "oh jeez, I was okay with breaking this law and shooting a bunch of people, but now that they passed this new law, I just don't want to risk it."

    At least wait for facts to come in before politicizing and exploiting this situation for your own beliefs.  It's a terrible situation that should never have happened.  Let's get to the issue of why it happened and what could have been done to prevent it.  I think it's best to wait for facts to come in to be able to do that with a clear mind.  Emotional reactions aren't always the best and most thought out reactions.  Just saying.
    no, because even if this is a case where someone purchased these illegally it's still fucking insane to think someone can purchase a weapon meant for combat legally in this country.  whether this event happened or not it's still insane we allow those type of guns to be obtained by citizens.  so no let's politicize the fucker now.
    So you are going to attack someone's rights, that if they can pass the extensive background check, that has nothing to do with what happened?  Should we ban alcohol because a minor gets his hands on some and drives drunk and kills someone?  
    Well we did ban alcohol for minors, and we did make it illegal to sell to a minor, and we did make it illegal to drive intoxicated, and we did set up a system of regulatory laws to control the production and distribution of alcohol soooo...yeah, not a good analogy bud.

    How so?  With all these laws and regulations in effect, there is no possible way a minor can get their hands on alcohol right?  I'm glad, cause I sure would hate to ever hear of a drunk 18 year old crashing and dying, or worse killing someone else.  That would never happen because laws and regulations are put in place right?  
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,604
    my2hands said:
    josevolution said:
    This thread will never die ..
    Sure it will.... humans aren't going to last forever brother
    At this rate you are correct , the baffoon is trying to make it happen sooner rather than later ..
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