So it seems that the modern day mass shooter has evolved and moved on to concert type events because of the high volume casualty odds and limited ability to control security. Outdoor concerts that aren't isolated make it easy access to proximity cover and indoor venues just need to get by minimal security.
The DA sounded like a jackass during the press conference. It seemed like he was almost smirking at times. It's our default; thoughts and prayer, god bless. Even though the people uttering it often times do not practice it.
I always wonder how someone that could do such a horrific thing could not have given off some clues about their mental instability.
just watched a video of the shooter's brother being in total and complete shock. he said he spoke to him last week, the shooter sent his mother a new walker recently.......he knew he kept a couple handguns in a safe in his house, but never knew him to possess assault rifles. he is in total disbelief.
"every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"
At least 58 people died and 515 were
transported to hospitals after a shooting at the Las Vegas Strip, according to
Las Vegas Law Enforcement. An off-duty Las Vegas police officer is among those
killed. A police official said the gunman was firing from a hotel room on the
32nd floor of Mandalay Bay, where the suspect was found dead. Inside the room,
authorities found at least ten guns, 200 magazines, two shooting platforms and
cameras in the hallway, according to a live broadcast from FOX News. The gunman
was identified as a 64-year-old man from the city of Mesquite, with no apparent
criminal history.
I always wonder how someone that could do such a horrific thing could not have given off some clues about their mental instability.
Please don't equate violence and mental "instability"/mental illness.
Anothe misperception about gun violence is that the shooter's are "crazy lunatics" who must have given off all these signs. In most cases they are completely coherent and know exactly what they are doing up until the end. I would argue that it is crazy to sanely think something like this out and do it, so in some way it is a type of illness.
So how do casino's go forward with letting anyone in with what ever they wanna carry , i bet casino camera's will show him just casually walking in with is cache of weapons & ammo right past security ....unless he came into casino thru a backdoor still security measures will have to be totally revamped ...
I always wonder how someone that could do such a horrific thing could not have given off some clues about their mental instability.
Please don't equate violence and mental "instability"/mental illness.
Come on. I'm not saying mental instability equals violence. I'm saying to commit violence in this manner, something is wrong with your way of thinking and I would think your behavior beforehand would likely indicate something, at least in hindsight.
I always wonder how someone that could do such a horrific thing could not have given off some clues about their mental instability.
Please don't equate violence and mental "instability"/mental illness.
Come on. I'm not saying mental instability equals violence. I'm saying to commit violence in this manner, something is wrong with your way of thinking and I would think your behavior beforehand would likely indicate something, at least in hindsight.
That's a clearer way of explaining it than just saying "mental instability".
The automatic assumption that anyone who perpetrates violence must be mentally ill flies against a substantial body of evidence and simply perpetuates stigma against people who do have mental illness.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
I always wonder how someone that could do such a horrific thing could not have given off some clues about their mental instability.
Please don't equate violence and mental "instability"/mental illness.
Come on. I'm not saying mental instability equals violence. I'm saying to commit violence in this manner, something is wrong with your way of thinking and I would think your behavior beforehand would likely indicate something, at least in hindsight.
here is the part i don't get. they said he checked on Thursday. Are you telling me no one cleaned his room and/or saw anything in that room since Thursday? it is that easy to hide high powered rifles and ammo?
I always wonder how someone that could do such a horrific thing could not have given off some clues about their mental instability.
Please don't equate violence and mental "instability"/mental illness.
Come on. I'm not saying mental instability equals violence. I'm saying to commit violence in this manner, something is wrong with your way of thinking and I would think your behavior beforehand would likely indicate something, at least in hindsight.
here is the part i don't get. they said he checked on Thursday. Are you telling me no one cleaned his room and/or saw anything in that room since Thursday? it is that easy to hide high powered rifles and ammo?
Never mind how about the fact that he was able to just get all those items into casino ? he could of just left the do not disturbe sign on door they absolutly respect those ....
I always wonder how someone that could do such a horrific thing could not have given off some clues about their mental instability.
Please don't equate violence and mental "instability"/mental illness.
Come on. I'm not saying mental instability equals violence. I'm saying to commit violence in this manner, something is wrong with your way of thinking and I would think your behavior beforehand would likely indicate something, at least in hindsight.
here is the part i don't get. they said he checked on Thursday. Are you telling me no one cleaned his room and/or saw anything in that room since Thursday? it is that easy to hide high powered rifles and ammo?
Never mind how about the fact that he was able to just get all those items into casino ? he could of just left the do not disturbe sign on door they absolutly respect those ....
He could have broken them down piece by piece. Absolute craziness that this happened.
I always wonder how someone that could do such a horrific thing could not have given off some clues about their mental instability.
Please don't equate violence and mental "instability"/mental illness.
Come on. I'm not saying mental instability equals violence. I'm saying to commit violence in this manner, something is wrong with your way of thinking and I would think your behavior beforehand would likely indicate something, at least in hindsight.
here is the part i don't get. they said he checked on Thursday. Are you telling me no one cleaned his room and/or saw anything in that room since Thursday? it is that easy to hide high powered rifles and ammo?
Never mind how about the fact that he was able to just get all those items into casino ? he could of just left the do not disturbe sign on door they absolutly respect those ....
Could have easily brought that stuff in a golf bag. Definitely big enough and no one would look twice at it.
I always wonder how someone that could do such a horrific thing could not have given off some clues about their mental instability.
Please don't equate violence and mental "instability"/mental illness.
Come on. I'm not saying mental instability equals violence. I'm saying to commit violence in this manner, something is wrong with your way of thinking and I would think your behavior beforehand would likely indicate something, at least in hindsight.
here is the part i don't get. they said he checked on Thursday. Are you telling me no one cleaned his room and/or saw anything in that room since Thursday? it is that easy to hide high powered rifles and ammo?
Never mind how about the fact that he was able to just get all those items into casino ? he could of just left the do not disturbe sign on door they absolutly respect those ....
Could have easily brought that stuff in a golf bag. Definitely big enough and no one would look twice at it.
So the answer is to do what to avoid this kind of scenario ?
He essentially had 3.5 days to set up so I'm guessing he made several trips getting everything up to his room to seem inconspicuous. Appears that he was set up in one of the corner suites to shoot from two different angles. Odd that no one sensed him acting differently because this seems like the type of assault that would take years to organize without raising suspension or red flags from anyone.
I always wonder how someone that could do such a horrific thing could not have given off some clues about their mental instability.
Please don't equate violence and mental "instability"/mental illness.
Come on. I'm not saying mental instability equals violence. I'm saying to commit violence in this manner, something is wrong with your way of thinking and I would think your behavior beforehand would likely indicate something, at least in hindsight.
here is the part i don't get. they said he checked on Thursday. Are you telling me no one cleaned his room and/or saw anything in that room since Thursday? it is that easy to hide high powered rifles and ammo?
Never mind how about the fact that he was able to just get all those items into casino ? he could of just left the do not disturbe sign on door they absolutly respect those ....
Could have easily brought that stuff in a golf bag. Definitely big enough and no one would look twice at it.
So the answer is to do what to avoid this kind of scenario ?
This is all new Jose. No one was prepared for this because nothing like this has happened before.
No one has busted open a window of a hotel and shot at 40,000 people hundreds of yards away.
Who would think that this scenario is what you'd need to prevent?!?
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Videos seem to show that it was one of those automatic weapons that nobody has.
Yeah, that was a fully automatic weapon. I remember a while back when a few people called me completely fucking ignorant about guns for talking about the dangers of fully automatic rifles in the wrong hands. Some said these were necessarily illegal too... and now that is starting to sound untrue. Honestly, I have never been given any reason to think that so-called "experts" on the subject know wtf they're talking about, and that there is actually false information out there for them to use as ammunition against gun control (and to misinform them while they think they are well-informed) - I'm starting to think they are often full of shit and will just say anything to defend gun rights, whether it's true or not.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Terrorists indeed come in many forms. In the USA, those of the white male form outnumber all the others.
wtf
Well it's true. Everyone is terrified of the brown variety, while the greater risk by far are the white domestics. American fears are not often based on reality.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I always wonder how someone that could do such a horrific thing could not have given off some clues about their mental instability.
Please don't equate violence and mental "instability"/mental illness.
Come on. I'm not saying mental instability equals violence. I'm saying to commit violence in this manner, something is wrong with your way of thinking and I would think your behavior beforehand would likely indicate something, at least in hindsight.
here is the part i don't get. they said he checked on Thursday. Are you telling me no one cleaned his room and/or saw anything in that room since Thursday? it is that easy to hide high powered rifles and ammo?
Never mind how about the fact that he was able to just get all those items into casino ? he could of just left the do not disturbe sign on door they absolutly respect those ....
Could have easily brought that stuff in a golf bag. Definitely big enough and no one would look twice at it.
So the answer is to do what to avoid this kind of scenario ?
This is all new Jose. No one was prepared for this because nothing like this has happened before.
No one has busted open a window of a hotel and shot at 40,000 people hundreds of yards away.
Who would think that this scenario is what you'd need to prevent?!?
Well it's happened so what are the answers you know what they are just like all the other shootings , i'll tell you what the answers will be nothing nada zilch this is the biggest mass shooting in this countries history till the next one ! nothing will come of this except will get to know the whole history of this man .....
So we don't know if these guns were obtained legally. Automatic guns are extremely hard and expensive to obtain legally. I support the 2nd amendment. I have zero blood on my hands. If you support illegal immigration and an illegal immigrant kills someone, does that mean you have blood on your hands? Some of these responses are so out there and are just knee jerk reactions. "Ban the guns!" "This wouldn't happen if guns were illegal!". My question will be once the facts come in, and if these guns were obtained illegally, how would changing gun laws prevented this? If the gun was already illegal and obtained illegally then would one more law have made the person stop and say, "oh jeez, I was okay with breaking this law and shooting a bunch of people, but now that they passed this new law, I just don't want to risk it."
At least wait for facts to come in before politicizing and exploiting this situation for your own beliefs. It's a terrible situation that should never have happened. Let's get to the issue of why it happened and what could have been done to prevent it. I think it's best to wait for facts to come in to be able to do that with a clear mind. Emotional reactions aren't always the best and most thought out reactions. Just saying.
no, because even if this is a case where someone purchased these illegally it's still fucking insane to think someone can purchase a weapon meant for combat legally in this country. whether this event happened or not it's still insane we allow those type of guns to be obtained by citizens. so no let's politicize the fucker now.
So you are going to attack someone's rights, that if they can pass the extensive background check, that has nothing to do with what happened? Should we ban alcohol because a minor gets his hands on some and drives drunk and kills someone?
Well we did ban alcohol for minors, and we did make it illegal to sell to a minor, and we did make it illegal to drive intoxicated, and we did set up a system of regulatory laws to control the production and distribution of alcohol soooo...yeah, not a good analogy bud.
How so? With all these laws and regulations in effect, there is no possible way a minor can get their hands on alcohol right? I'm glad, cause I sure would hate to ever hear of a drunk 18 year old crashing and dying, or worse killing someone else. That would never happen because laws and regulations are put in place right?
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At least 58 people died and 515 were transported to hospitals after a shooting at the Las Vegas Strip, according to Las Vegas Law Enforcement. An off-duty Las Vegas police officer is among those killed. A police official said the gunman was firing from a hotel room on the 32nd floor of Mandalay Bay, where the suspect was found dead. Inside the room, authorities found at least ten guns, 200 magazines, two shooting platforms and cameras in the hallway, according to a live broadcast from FOX News. The gunman was identified as a 64-year-old man from the city of Mesquite, with no apparent criminal history.
The automatic assumption that anyone who perpetrates violence must be mentally ill flies against a substantial body of evidence and simply perpetuates stigma against people who do have mental illness.
No one has busted open a window of a hotel and shot at 40,000 people hundreds of yards away.
Who would think that this scenario is what you'd need to prevent?!?
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/02/politics/guns-maps-las-vegas/index.html