America's Gun Violence
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So again, dictating what people can own and totally unamerican. Who are any of you to decide what historical property I can and can not own?oftenreading said:mcgruff10 said:
Take off the blinders bud! History is history, don't destroy it, preserve it and make sure it doesn't happen again.CM189191 said:
jfc. I didn't say make law mandating as such. Just that it's a more appropriate place for that stuff. Your Bible probably belongs in a museum too.mcgruff10 said:CM189191 said:Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum. Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.
This could be one of the most un-American posts I have ever read. Now we are going to dictate what historical items people own? I have a signed bible by Robert E. Lee...should I burn it?CM189191 said:Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum. Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.
Or you could burn it, wouldn't matter to me.
And thus, the "museum" suggestion....
Because holding it in private collections does nothing to prevent similar episodes from happening again.
Your beliefs remind me of the propaganda that was spewed in Germany during the 30's.Post edited by mcgruff10 onI'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
mcgruff10 said:
So again, dictating what people can own and totally unamerican. Who are any of you to decide what historical property I can and can not own?oftenreading said:mcgruff10 said:
Take off the blinders bud! History is history, don't destroy it, preserve it and make sure it doesn't happen again.CM189191 said:
jfc. I didn't say make law mandating as such. Just that it's a more appropriate place for that stuff. Your Bible probably belongs in a museum too.mcgruff10 said:CM189191 said:Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum. Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.
This could be one of the most un-American posts I have ever read. Now we are going to dictate what historical items people own? I have a signed bible by Robert E. Lee...should I burn it?CM189191 said:Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum. Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.
Or you could burn it, wouldn't matter to me.
And thus, the "museum" suggestion....
Because holding it in private collections does nothing to prevent similar episodes from happening again.
Your beliefs remind me of the propaganda that was spewed in Germany during the 30's.
Whoa - little bit of an over-reaction there.
No one is dictating whether you can own this stuff or not. You claimed that CM was arguing against preserving history, when anyone who claims to be a history buff should know that artifacts are going to be better preserved and displayed for people to actually learn from in a museum, compared to a private collection.
And, unAmerican? Is this another one of those "my ancestors died for freedom of speech but it's unAmerican to actually use it" arguments?
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Don't forget to turn off the light on your lamp with the shade mademcgruff10 said:
So again, dictating what people can own and totally unamerican. Who are any of you to decide what historical property I can and can not own?oftenreading said:mcgruff10 said:
Take off the blinders bud! History is history, don't destroy it, preserve it and make sure it doesn't happen again.CM189191 said:
jfc. I didn't say make law mandating as such. Just that it's a more appropriate place for that stuff. Your Bible probably belongs in a museum too.mcgruff10 said:CM189191 said:Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum. Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.
This could be one of the most un-American posts I have ever read. Now we are going to dictate what historical items people own? I have a signed bible by Robert E. Lee...should I burn it?CM189191 said:Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum. Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.
Or you could burn it, wouldn't matter to me.
And thus, the "museum" suggestion....
Because holding it in private collections does nothing to prevent similar episodes from happening again.
Your beliefs remind me of the propaganda that was spewed in Germany during the 30's.
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This is a little unfair.Halifax2TheMax said:
Don't forget to turn off the light on your lamp with the shade mademcgruff10 said:
So again, dictating what people can own and totally unamerican. Who are any of you to decide what historical property I can and can not own?oftenreading said:mcgruff10 said:
Take off the blinders bud! History is history, don't destroy it, preserve it and make sure it doesn't happen again.CM189191 said:
jfc. I didn't say make law mandating as such. Just that it's a more appropriate place for that stuff. Your Bible probably belongs in a museum too.mcgruff10 said:CM189191 said:Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum. Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.
This could be one of the most un-American posts I have ever read. Now we are going to dictate what historical items people own? I have a signed bible by Robert E. Lee...should I burn it?CM189191 said:Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum. Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.
Or you could burn it, wouldn't matter to me.
And thus, the "museum" suggestion....
Because holding it in private collections does nothing to prevent similar episodes from happening again.
Your beliefs remind me of the propaganda that was spewed in Germany during the 30's.
from human skin. It'll melt overnight.
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I suppose it depends on how it was acquired.mcgruff10 said:
So again, dictating what people can own and totally unamerican. Who are any of you to decide what historical property I can and can not own?oftenreading said:mcgruff10 said:
Take off the blinders bud! History is history, don't destroy it, preserve it and make sure it doesn't happen again.CM189191 said:
jfc. I didn't say make law mandating as such. Just that it's a more appropriate place for that stuff. Your Bible probably belongs in a museum too.mcgruff10 said:CM189191 said:Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum. Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.
This could be one of the most un-American posts I have ever read. Now we are going to dictate what historical items people own? I have a signed bible by Robert E. Lee...should I burn it?CM189191 said:Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum. Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.
Or you could burn it, wouldn't matter to me.
And thus, the "museum" suggestion....
Because holding it in private collections does nothing to prevent similar episodes from happening again.
Your beliefs remind me of the propaganda that was spewed in Germany during the 30's.
Family heirloom? Keep it, all yours.
Spoils of war? Should be returned.0 -
Holy exaggeration bat man!! LolHalifax2TheMax said:
Don't forget to turn off the light on your lamp with the shade mademcgruff10 said:
So again, dictating what people can own and totally unamerican. Who are any of you to decide what historical property I can and can not own?oftenreading said:mcgruff10 said:
Take off the blinders bud! History is history, don't destroy it, preserve it and make sure it doesn't happen again.CM189191 said:
jfc. I didn't say make law mandating as such. Just that it's a more appropriate place for that stuff. Your Bible probably belongs in a museum too.mcgruff10 said:CM189191 said:Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum. Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.
This could be one of the most un-American posts I have ever read. Now we are going to dictate what historical items people own? I have a signed bible by Robert E. Lee...should I burn it?CM189191 said:Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum. Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.
Or you could burn it, wouldn't matter to me.
And thus, the "museum" suggestion....
Because holding it in private collections does nothing to prevent similar episodes from happening again.
Your beliefs remind me of the propaganda that was spewed in Germany during the 30's.
from human skin. It'll melt overnight.
howecer i did say I would never keep anything from the ss. They are some sick people.
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At least you saw my facisitousness in that post but where does the ethics line get crossed when it comes to this stuff? Hitler's pistol? Scalps? Shrunken heads? Uniforms with bullet holes? Personal items taken from bodies? Where do the gun show crowds draw the line on war memorabilia?mcgruff10 said:
Holy exaggeration bat man!! LolHalifax2TheMax said:
Don't forget to turn off the light on your lamp with the shade mademcgruff10 said:
So again, dictating what people can own and totally unamerican. Who are any of you to decide what historical property I can and can not own?oftenreading said:mcgruff10 said:
Take off the blinders bud! History is history, don't destroy it, preserve it and make sure it doesn't happen again.CM189191 said:
jfc. I didn't say make law mandating as such. Just that it's a more appropriate place for that stuff. Your Bible probably belongs in a museum too.mcgruff10 said:CM189191 said:Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum. Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.
This could be one of the most un-American posts I have ever read. Now we are going to dictate what historical items people own? I have a signed bible by Robert E. Lee...should I burn it?CM189191 said:Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum. Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.
Or you could burn it, wouldn't matter to me.
And thus, the "museum" suggestion....
Because holding it in private collections does nothing to prevent similar episodes from happening again.
Your beliefs remind me of the propaganda that was spewed in Germany during the 30's.
from human skin. It'll melt overnight.
howecer i did say I would never keep anything from the ss. They are some sick people.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Responsible gun owners until they're not seem to contribute to a large percentage of illegal gun possession that results in gun crime. But yea, don't hold them responsible.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/27/new-evidence-confirms-what-gun-rights-advocates-have-been-saying-for-a-long-time-about-crime
Guess this wasn't one of your 10 sources you looked at?
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Hitler's pistol....I could never afford it but I see no issues with it.Halifax2TheMax said:
At least you saw my facisitousness in that post but where does the ethics line get crossed when it comes to this stuff? Hitler's pistol? Scalps? Shrunken heads? Uniforms with bullet holes? Personal items taken from bodies? Where do the gun show crowds draw the line on war memorabilia?mcgruff10 said:
Holy exaggeration bat man!! LolHalifax2TheMax said:
Don't forget to turn off the light on your lamp with the shade mademcgruff10 said:
So again, dictating what people can own and totally unamerican. Who are any of you to decide what historical property I can and can not own?oftenreading said:mcgruff10 said:
Take off the blinders bud! History is history, don't destroy it, preserve it and make sure it doesn't happen again.CM189191 said:
jfc. I didn't say make law mandating as such. Just that it's a more appropriate place for that stuff. Your Bible probably belongs in a museum too.mcgruff10 said:CM189191 said:Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum. Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.
This could be one of the most un-American posts I have ever read. Now we are going to dictate what historical items people own? I have a signed bible by Robert E. Lee...should I burn it?CM189191 said:Nazi 'memorabilia' belongs in a museum. Along with confederate statues. Not for display as part of someone's proud collection.
Or you could burn it, wouldn't matter to me.
And thus, the "museum" suggestion....
Because holding it in private collections does nothing to prevent similar episodes from happening again.
Your beliefs remind me of the propaganda that was spewed in Germany during the 30's.
from human skin. It'll melt overnight.
howecer i did say I would never keep anything from the ss. They are some sick people.
Scalps and shrunken heads...no thanks. (do they sell these?!)
Personal items taken from bodies and uniforms with bullet holes...no issues with it. I'm sure a few items I own were taken from a dead german soldier.
I've never been to a gun show as they are illegal in new jersey; is the sales of nazi memorabilia a big part of these shows?I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
Unclear on what your point is? The title of the article and the opening line compeltely agree with what I've been saying. The article starts with "Lawful gun owners commit less than a fifth of all gun crimes, according to a novel analysis released this week by the University of Pittsburgh." And continues to defend the fact that gun crimes are committed by those who illegally possess guns.Halifax2TheMax said:Responsible gun owners until they're not seem to contribute to a large percentage of illegal gun possession that results in gun crime. But yea, don't hold them responsible.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/27/new-evidence-confirms-what-gun-rights-advocates-have-been-saying-for-a-long-time-about-crime
Guess this wasn't one of your 10 sources you looked at?
Not sure what I was supposed to take from that article, or how it disagrees with what I said? States exactly what I already said.
It a nutshell, only 18% of guns used in a crime were used by the person who purchased it. Exactly what I said. And my comment was simply gun laws should target that.
How exactly does your source disagree or disprove anything I've said? It actually agrees with all of it.
I would also add that your article doesn't go further into that 18%, but a portion of that 18% cannot legally own guns (the guns were purchased prior to an offense), or have some other criminal record. So again, target unlawful gun owners, and strict requirements for those with any criminal record.
Thank you for another great resource backing my point.0 -
I think it's totally fine to own these types of items for a personal collection. It's a lot different than wearing them on a shirt or flying the flag on your front porch or using it as your license plate holder.0
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Unclear on what your point is? The title of the article and the opening line compeltely agree with what I've been saying. The article starts with "Lawful gun owners commit less than a fifth of all gun crimes, according to a novel analysis released this week by the University of Pittsburgh." And continues to defend the fact that gun crimes are committed by those who illegally possess guns.Halifax2TheMax said:Responsible gun owners until they're not seem to contribute to a large percentage of illegal gun possession that results in gun crime. But yea, don't hold them responsible.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/27/new-evidence-confirms-what-gun-rights-advocates-have-been-saying-for-a-long-time-about-crime
Guess this wasn't one of your 10 sources you looked at?
Not sure what I was supposed to take from that article, or how it disagrees with what I said? States exactly what I already said.
It a nutshell, only 18% of guns used in a crime were used by the person who purchased it. Exactly what I said. And my comment was simply gun laws should target that.
How exactly does your source disagree or disprove anything I've said? It actually agrees with all of it.
I would also add that your article doesn't go further into that 18%, but a portion of that 18% cannot legally own guns (the guns were purchased prior to an offense), or have some other criminal record. So again, target unlawful gun owners, and strict requirements for those with any criminal record.
Thank you for another great resource backing my point."All guns start out as legal guns," Fabio said in an interview. But a "huge number of them" move into illegal hands. "As a public-health person, I'd like to be able to figure out that path," he added.
More than 30 percent of the guns that ended up at crime scenes had been stolen, according to Fabio's research. But more than 40 percent of those stolen guns weren't reported by the owners as stolen until after police contacted them when the gun was used in a crime.
One of the more concerning findings in the study was that for the majority of guns recovered (62 percent), "the place where the owner lost possession of the firearm was unknown."
You keep claiming that the focus shouldn't be on "legal, responsible" gun owners, that they're somehow immune from being responsible for gun violence. Maybe they shoudl be held accountable when their "legal" gun is used in a crime when they didn't report it stolen or even know where the fuck the gun was.
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Yeah, I agree,but I don't even care if they wear them on their shirts or fly them from their homes. Nazis and rednecks can fly whatever flags make them comfortable. My issue with government sanctioned memorials to treasonous traitors located in town squares and city centers. Keep the Nazi and Confederate bullshit out of public buildings and squares. It is none of my business (or any of yours) if people want to collect memorabilia.RiotZact said:I think it's totally fine to own these types of items for a personal collection. It's a lot different than wearing them on a shirt or flying the flag on your front porch or using it as your license plate holder."I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/080 -
Okay, so make laws that address those issues.Halifax2TheMax said:mace1229 said:
Unclear on what your point is? The title of the article and the opening line compeltely agree with what I've been saying. The article starts with "Lawful gun owners commit less than a fifth of all gun crimes, according to a novel analysis released this week by the University of Pittsburgh." And continues to defend the fact that gun crimes are committed by those who illegally possess guns.Halifax2TheMax said:Responsible gun owners until they're not seem to contribute to a large percentage of illegal gun possession that results in gun crime. But yea, don't hold them responsible.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/27/new-evidence-confirms-what-gun-rights-advocates-have-been-saying-for-a-long-time-about-crime
Guess this wasn't one of your 10 sources you looked at?
Not sure what I was supposed to take from that article, or how it disagrees with what I said? States exactly what I already said.
It a nutshell, only 18% of guns used in a crime were used by the person who purchased it. Exactly what I said. And my comment was simply gun laws should target that.
How exactly does your source disagree or disprove anything I've said? It actually agrees with all of it.
I would also add that your article doesn't go further into that 18%, but a portion of that 18% cannot legally own guns (the guns were purchased prior to an offense), or have some other criminal record. So again, target unlawful gun owners, and strict requirements for those with any criminal record.
Thank you for another great resource backing my point."All guns start out as legal guns," Fabio said in an interview. But a "huge number of them" move into illegal hands. "As a public-health person, I'd like to be able to figure out that path," he added.
More than 30 percent of the guns that ended up at crime scenes had been stolen, according to Fabio's research. But more than 40 percent of those stolen guns weren't reported by the owners as stolen until after police contacted them when the gun was used in a crime.
One of the more concerning findings in the study was that for the majority of guns recovered (62 percent), "the place where the owner lost possession of the firearm was unknown."
You keep claiming that the focus shouldn't be on "legal, responsible" gun owners, that they're somehow immune from being responsible for gun violence. Maybe they shoudl be held accountable when their "legal" gun is used in a crime when they didn't report it stolen or even know where the fuck the gun was.
I never said anything that would disagree with that last sentence. In fact, I would agree with it. That has been my point actually.
Making a gun illegal because it has a forward pistol grip doesn't address that.
Require better monitoring of guns. Before purchasing another gun, require proof that you are in possession of all other previous gun purchases. Require proper storage for guns. Have more strict penalties for selling or being in the possession of stolen guns. I'm not certain of this, but I believe possession of a stolen gun can just be probation in some states. If you are in possession of a stolen gun you either stole it yourself, or knowingly purchased it from someone who did. Minimum 2 years then, no probation.
Those rules make sense to me, they address the issue at hand. I don't see what is wrong with using gun laws to target the problem with gun crime. Blanket gun laws and restrictions don't have an impact on the root of the problem. Limit the mag capacity to 8 instead of 12, people are still going to steal and illegally sell firearms and fail to report it stolen. Target the root of the problem.0 -
It all boils down to a gun registry and the extremists winning out against having one.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0
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gun restrictions
gun registry
gun insurance
3 pronged approach targeting the 'root of the problem'0 -
So insane that we can't get a fucking gun registry established. Again, every car has 2 forms of tracking and there is a mass database, but not for something used to commit crime on a daily basis. We can track phones, computers, emails and every other thing in the world, but god forbid we have a comprehensive gun registry because you know, the 2nd amendment. Doesn't even make sense.rgambs said:It all boils down to a gun registry and the extremists winning out against having one.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
I think better registration is a good place to start.
What would gun insurance do?0 -
Yeah, I think that this is why there are attempts to put forward laws restricting gun types, magazine size, etc - it's an attempt to at least do something to stem the tide of gun violence, knowing that the thing that would actually make a huge impact will be blocked at every turn by the pro-gun folks.tbergs said:
So insane that we can't get a fucking gun registry established. Again, every car has 2 forms of tracking and there is a mass database, but not for something used to commit crime on a daily basis. We can track phones, computers, emails and every other thing in the world, but god forbid we have a comprehensive gun registry because you know, the 2nd amendment. Doesn't even make sense.rgambs said:It all boils down to a gun registry and the extremists winning out against having one.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
We have gun registration here in New Jersey and believe it or not, we still have crimes.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0
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