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  • cutz
    cutz Posts: 12,292
    cutz said:
    cutz said:
    Raise the mound? The batters are  on pace to set the all time MLB strikeout record for a season, for what? 3rd or 4th year in-a-row?  Today's players don't care about striking out. HR's gets the big contract.  It drives me nuts the amount of strikeouts in today's game. 

    I'd love to see some pitching duels too, but , for the most part, those days are over. TV doesn't help with that, though. I remember seeing Steve Carlton pitch in 1972 and we would be home in 3 hours from his first pitch of the game. And, we didn't live across  the street from the stadium either.
    Yes raise the mound.  The era of Pitchers will drop like a rock.

    2 things that boggle my mind the year before they lowered it, ready?

    Carl Yazstremski led the league with a .301 average.  .301...

    Bob Gibson led the league with a 1.12 ERA.  He pitched a full year and not a partial.  There wasn't a strike shortened season.

    1.12

    Let those two things sink in.
    I did  know  about those stats.

    They could lower the mound( i'd  like to see it for a couple of seasons to see how it goes), but i doubt the MLBPA would go for it. I'm sure the pitchers would love to see it raised, though.

    Check out these stats for these pitchers. They make Bob Gibson & Sandy Koufax stats look ordinary>HAHA>Maybe you've already seen these stats?

    Al Spalding: https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/spaldal01.shtml

    Old Hoss Radbourn: https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/radboch01.shtml  (check out that 1884 season> 73 starts & 73 complete games. I always laugh my ass off every time i look at some the old time players stats)
    Baseball in it's infancy has some CRAZY numbers. Spitballs and cheating were rampant.  I loved reading the stories of John McGraw rounding the bases from first to third and bypassing 2nd altogether when the ump wasn't looking.  Spalding was a hell of a player too and good pioneer of the game early on.  Glad to see someone else that appreciates the game like that.

    Cy Young has more losses than people have wins.  That's just nuts.

    The above stats with from 68 are fairly modern and still hold weight.  But you are right when you say that the MLBPA won't allow it.  The inflated numbers are good for attendance and good for a players salary.  But one can dream...
    Yup, 1968. Yaz won the batting title with that .301 AVG. which is the lowest ever for batting Champion. I remember one of my HS teachers use to give me & my friends some baseball trivia questions and he asked :who won the batting title with the lowest avg. ever? , and he barely got the question out when i gave him the answer. My Dad use to give me stats like that when i was a kid. He actually took me to Connie Mack Stadium in Philly a couple of times, though i only have a vague memory of it. 

    I also couldn't help but notice something about Al Spalding . He only pitched 7 years and only 11 innings in year 7 at age 26. I think his career was over because his arm probably came off after throwing almost 2,900 innings.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,599
    cutz said:
    cutz said:
    cutz said:
    Raise the mound? The batters are  on pace to set the all time MLB strikeout record for a season, for what? 3rd or 4th year in-a-row?  Today's players don't care about striking out. HR's gets the big contract.  It drives me nuts the amount of strikeouts in today's game. 

    I'd love to see some pitching duels too, but , for the most part, those days are over. TV doesn't help with that, though. I remember seeing Steve Carlton pitch in 1972 and we would be home in 3 hours from his first pitch of the game. And, we didn't live across  the street from the stadium either.
    Yes raise the mound.  The era of Pitchers will drop like a rock.

    2 things that boggle my mind the year before they lowered it, ready?

    Carl Yazstremski led the league with a .301 average.  .301...

    Bob Gibson led the league with a 1.12 ERA.  He pitched a full year and not a partial.  There wasn't a strike shortened season.

    1.12

    Let those two things sink in.
    I did  know  about those stats.

    They could lower the mound( i'd  like to see it for a couple of seasons to see how it goes), but i doubt the MLBPA would go for it. I'm sure the pitchers would love to see it raised, though.

    Check out these stats for these pitchers. They make Bob Gibson & Sandy Koufax stats look ordinary>HAHA>Maybe you've already seen these stats?

    Al Spalding: https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/spaldal01.shtml

    Old Hoss Radbourn: https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/radboch01.shtml  (check out that 1884 season> 73 starts & 73 complete games. I always laugh my ass off every time i look at some the old time players stats)
    Baseball in it's infancy has some CRAZY numbers. Spitballs and cheating were rampant.  I loved reading the stories of John McGraw rounding the bases from first to third and bypassing 2nd altogether when the ump wasn't looking.  Spalding was a hell of a player too and good pioneer of the game early on.  Glad to see someone else that appreciates the game like that.

    Cy Young has more losses than people have wins.  That's just nuts.

    The above stats with from 68 are fairly modern and still hold weight.  But you are right when you say that the MLBPA won't allow it.  The inflated numbers are good for attendance and good for a players salary.  But one can dream...
    Yup, 1968. Yaz won the batting title with that .301 AVG. which is the lowest ever for batting Champion. I remember one of my HS teachers use to give me & my friends some baseball trivia questions and he asked :who won the batting title with the lowest avg. ever? , and he barely got the question out when i gave him the answer. My Dad use to give me stats like that when i was a kid. He actually took me to Connie Mack Stadium in Philly a couple of times, though i only have a vague memory of it. 

    I also couldn't help but notice something about Al Spalding . He only pitched 7 years and only 11 innings in year 7 at age 26. I think his career was over because his arm probably came off after throwing almost 2,900 innings.
    With out googling it, do you know Connie Macks real name?

    I'm a huge old time baseball buff so I have fun with these things.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,599
    cutz said:
    cutz said:
    cutz said:
    Raise the mound? The batters are  on pace to set the all time MLB strikeout record for a season, for what? 3rd or 4th year in-a-row?  Today's players don't care about striking out. HR's gets the big contract.  It drives me nuts the amount of strikeouts in today's game. 

    I'd love to see some pitching duels too, but , for the most part, those days are over. TV doesn't help with that, though. I remember seeing Steve Carlton pitch in 1972 and we would be home in 3 hours from his first pitch of the game. And, we didn't live across  the street from the stadium either.
    Yes raise the mound.  The era of Pitchers will drop like a rock.

    2 things that boggle my mind the year before they lowered it, ready?

    Carl Yazstremski led the league with a .301 average.  .301...

    Bob Gibson led the league with a 1.12 ERA.  He pitched a full year and not a partial.  There wasn't a strike shortened season.

    1.12

    Let those two things sink in.
    I did  know  about those stats.

    They could lower the mound( i'd  like to see it for a couple of seasons to see how it goes), but i doubt the MLBPA would go for it. I'm sure the pitchers would love to see it raised, though.

    Check out these stats for these pitchers. They make Bob Gibson & Sandy Koufax stats look ordinary>HAHA>Maybe you've already seen these stats?

    Al Spalding: https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/spaldal01.shtml

    Old Hoss Radbourn: https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/radboch01.shtml  (check out that 1884 season> 73 starts & 73 complete games. I always laugh my ass off every time i look at some the old time players stats)
    Baseball in it's infancy has some CRAZY numbers. Spitballs and cheating were rampant.  I loved reading the stories of John McGraw rounding the bases from first to third and bypassing 2nd altogether when the ump wasn't looking.  Spalding was a hell of a player too and good pioneer of the game early on.  Glad to see someone else that appreciates the game like that.

    Cy Young has more losses than people have wins.  That's just nuts.

    The above stats with from 68 are fairly modern and still hold weight.  But you are right when you say that the MLBPA won't allow it.  The inflated numbers are good for attendance and good for a players salary.  But one can dream...
    Yup, 1968. Yaz won the batting title with that .301 AVG. which is the lowest ever for batting Champion. I remember one of my HS teachers use to give me & my friends some baseball trivia questions and he asked :who won the batting title with the lowest avg. ever? , and he barely got the question out when i gave him the answer. My Dad use to give me stats like that when i was a kid. He actually took me to Connie Mack Stadium in Philly a couple of times, though i only have a vague memory of it. 

    I also couldn't help but notice something about Al Spalding . He only pitched 7 years and only 11 innings in year 7 at age 26. I think his career was over because his arm probably came off after throwing almost 2,900 innings.
    Oh and you are correct with Spalding.  He was a pioneer in baseball and helped further it by becoming management.
  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,498
    cutz said:
    cutz said:
    cutz said:
    Raise the mound? The batters are  on pace to set the all time MLB strikeout record for a season, for what? 3rd or 4th year in-a-row?  Today's players don't care about striking out. HR's gets the big contract.  It drives me nuts the amount of strikeouts in today's game. 

    I'd love to see some pitching duels too, but , for the most part, those days are over. TV doesn't help with that, though. I remember seeing Steve Carlton pitch in 1972 and we would be home in 3 hours from his first pitch of the game. And, we didn't live across  the street from the stadium either.
    Yes raise the mound.  The era of Pitchers will drop like a rock.

    2 things that boggle my mind the year before they lowered it, ready?

    Carl Yazstremski led the league with a .301 average.  .301...

    Bob Gibson led the league with a 1.12 ERA.  He pitched a full year and not a partial.  There wasn't a strike shortened season.

    1.12

    Let those two things sink in.
    I did  know  about those stats.

    They could lower the mound( i'd  like to see it for a couple of seasons to see how it goes), but i doubt the MLBPA would go for it. I'm sure the pitchers would love to see it raised, though.

    Check out these stats for these pitchers. They make Bob Gibson & Sandy Koufax stats look ordinary>HAHA>Maybe you've already seen these stats?

    Al Spalding: https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/spaldal01.shtml

    Old Hoss Radbourn: https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/radboch01.shtml  (check out that 1884 season> 73 starts & 73 complete games. I always laugh my ass off every time i look at some the old time players stats)
    Baseball in it's infancy has some CRAZY numbers. Spitballs and cheating were rampant.  I loved reading the stories of John McGraw rounding the bases from first to third and bypassing 2nd altogether when the ump wasn't looking.  Spalding was a hell of a player too and good pioneer of the game early on.  Glad to see someone else that appreciates the game like that.

    Cy Young has more losses than people have wins.  That's just nuts.

    The above stats with from 68 are fairly modern and still hold weight.  But you are right when you say that the MLBPA won't allow it.  The inflated numbers are good for attendance and good for a players salary.  But one can dream...
    Yup, 1968. Yaz won the batting title with that .301 AVG. which is the lowest ever for batting Champion. I remember one of my HS teachers use to give me & my friends some baseball trivia questions and he asked :who won the batting title with the lowest avg. ever? , and he barely got the question out when i gave him the answer. My Dad use to give me stats like that when i was a kid. He actually took me to Connie Mack Stadium in Philly a couple of times, though i only have a vague memory of it. 

    I also couldn't help but notice something about Al Spalding . He only pitched 7 years and only 11 innings in year 7 at age 26. I think his career was over because his arm probably came off after throwing almost 2,900 innings.
    With out googling it, do you know Connie Macks real name?

    I'm a huge old time baseball buff so I have fun with these things.
    I know his real surname was McGillicuddy (sp?), not sure of his first name.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,599
    cutz said:
    cutz said:
    cutz said:
    Raise the mound? The batters are  on pace to set the all time MLB strikeout record for a season, for what? 3rd or 4th year in-a-row?  Today's players don't care about striking out. HR's gets the big contract.  It drives me nuts the amount of strikeouts in today's game. 

    I'd love to see some pitching duels too, but , for the most part, those days are over. TV doesn't help with that, though. I remember seeing Steve Carlton pitch in 1972 and we would be home in 3 hours from his first pitch of the game. And, we didn't live across  the street from the stadium either.
    Yes raise the mound.  The era of Pitchers will drop like a rock.

    2 things that boggle my mind the year before they lowered it, ready?

    Carl Yazstremski led the league with a .301 average.  .301...

    Bob Gibson led the league with a 1.12 ERA.  He pitched a full year and not a partial.  There wasn't a strike shortened season.

    1.12

    Let those two things sink in.
    I did  know  about those stats.

    They could lower the mound( i'd  like to see it for a couple of seasons to see how it goes), but i doubt the MLBPA would go for it. I'm sure the pitchers would love to see it raised, though.

    Check out these stats for these pitchers. They make Bob Gibson & Sandy Koufax stats look ordinary>HAHA>Maybe you've already seen these stats?

    Al Spalding: https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/spaldal01.shtml

    Old Hoss Radbourn: https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/radboch01.shtml  (check out that 1884 season> 73 starts & 73 complete games. I always laugh my ass off every time i look at some the old time players stats)
    Baseball in it's infancy has some CRAZY numbers. Spitballs and cheating were rampant.  I loved reading the stories of John McGraw rounding the bases from first to third and bypassing 2nd altogether when the ump wasn't looking.  Spalding was a hell of a player too and good pioneer of the game early on.  Glad to see someone else that appreciates the game like that.

    Cy Young has more losses than people have wins.  That's just nuts.

    The above stats with from 68 are fairly modern and still hold weight.  But you are right when you say that the MLBPA won't allow it.  The inflated numbers are good for attendance and good for a players salary.  But one can dream...
    Yup, 1968. Yaz won the batting title with that .301 AVG. which is the lowest ever for batting Champion. I remember one of my HS teachers use to give me & my friends some baseball trivia questions and he asked :who won the batting title with the lowest avg. ever? , and he barely got the question out when i gave him the answer. My Dad use to give me stats like that when i was a kid. He actually took me to Connie Mack Stadium in Philly a couple of times, though i only have a vague memory of it. 

    I also couldn't help but notice something about Al Spalding . He only pitched 7 years and only 11 innings in year 7 at age 26. I think his career was over because his arm probably came off after throwing almost 2,900 innings.
    With out googling it, do you know Connie Macks real name?

    I'm a huge old time baseball buff so I have fun with these things.
    I know his real surname was McGillicuddy (sp?), not sure of his first name.
    I'll accept that!  Very good!

    Cornelius Alexander McGillicuddy!!!
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,599
    cutz said:
    cutz said:
    cutz said:
    Raise the mound? The batters are  on pace to set the all time MLB strikeout record for a season, for what? 3rd or 4th year in-a-row?  Today's players don't care about striking out. HR's gets the big contract.  It drives me nuts the amount of strikeouts in today's game. 

    I'd love to see some pitching duels too, but , for the most part, those days are over. TV doesn't help with that, though. I remember seeing Steve Carlton pitch in 1972 and we would be home in 3 hours from his first pitch of the game. And, we didn't live across  the street from the stadium either.
    Yes raise the mound.  The era of Pitchers will drop like a rock.

    2 things that boggle my mind the year before they lowered it, ready?

    Carl Yazstremski led the league with a .301 average.  .301...

    Bob Gibson led the league with a 1.12 ERA.  He pitched a full year and not a partial.  There wasn't a strike shortened season.

    1.12

    Let those two things sink in.
    I did  know  about those stats.

    They could lower the mound( i'd  like to see it for a couple of seasons to see how it goes), but i doubt the MLBPA would go for it. I'm sure the pitchers would love to see it raised, though.

    Check out these stats for these pitchers. They make Bob Gibson & Sandy Koufax stats look ordinary>HAHA>Maybe you've already seen these stats?

    Al Spalding: https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/spaldal01.shtml

    Old Hoss Radbourn: https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/radboch01.shtml  (check out that 1884 season> 73 starts & 73 complete games. I always laugh my ass off every time i look at some the old time players stats)
    Baseball in it's infancy has some CRAZY numbers. Spitballs and cheating were rampant.  I loved reading the stories of John McGraw rounding the bases from first to third and bypassing 2nd altogether when the ump wasn't looking.  Spalding was a hell of a player too and good pioneer of the game early on.  Glad to see someone else that appreciates the game like that.

    Cy Young has more losses than people have wins.  That's just nuts.

    The above stats with from 68 are fairly modern and still hold weight.  But you are right when you say that the MLBPA won't allow it.  The inflated numbers are good for attendance and good for a players salary.  But one can dream...
    Yup, 1968. Yaz won the batting title with that .301 AVG. which is the lowest ever for batting Champion. I remember one of my HS teachers use to give me & my friends some baseball trivia questions and he asked :who won the batting title with the lowest avg. ever? , and he barely got the question out when i gave him the answer. My Dad use to give me stats like that when i was a kid. He actually took me to Connie Mack Stadium in Philly a couple of times, though i only have a vague memory of it. 

    I also couldn't help but notice something about Al Spalding . He only pitched 7 years and only 11 innings in year 7 at age 26. I think his career was over because his arm probably came off after throwing almost 2,900 innings.
    With out googling it, do you know Connie Macks real name?

    I'm a huge old time baseball buff so I have fun with these things.
    I know his real surname was McGillicuddy (sp?), not sure of his first name.
    Bonus question:

    What is HOF'er Al Simmons' real name?
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,918
    I give MLB a big fat F for the uniforms.  As usual Florida Marlins have the ugliest damn ones...
    Such a stupid idea
    I went to the Indians/Royals games Sat and Sun for this weekend.  Saturday night was a jersey giveaway and fireworks.  Sunday was kids day.  I can tell you the kids around us loved the uniforms and had a blast.  I think you guys are either being too cynical or forgetting that kids are a pretty important demographic for MLB...or both.  
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,918
    Yeah, I love a good 1-0 pitchers' duel.  I just don't want 162 of the fucking things.
    There is too much baseball and too little talent for that to ever happen.

    This why I loved Maddux.  Threw maybe 90mph tops.  What was great is that he could pitch lights out and paint the corners.  Dude had control.
    You couldn't hit the dead fish pitch he threw.  Kluber has the closest thing to it that we've seen in several years.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,918
    Whoever mentioned that the "swing for the fences" mentality is the main driver behind the rise in strikeouts, is probably right.  You never see anyone choke up, hit for contact...in fact, announcers rave when someone is actually able to hit the ball the other way.  Baseball could lower the hill, shrink the strike zone, and do other tweaks to deal with that issue, but that would be stupid.  It's an approach issue.  
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,599
    mrussel1 said:
    I give MLB a big fat F for the uniforms.  As usual Florida Marlins have the ugliest damn ones...
    Such a stupid idea
    I went to the Indians/Royals games Sat and Sun for this weekend.  Saturday night was a jersey giveaway and fireworks.  Sunday was kids day.  I can tell you the kids around us loved the uniforms and had a blast.  I think you guys are either being too cynical or forgetting that kids are a pretty important demographic for MLB...or both.  
    You could give away a colored balloon at a game for free and the kids will love it.

    The Marlins made their uniforms more colorful so the kids will love it.  I'm not so sure that worked...

    Top 20 jersey sales:
    1. Kris Bryant, Cubs
    2. Anthony Rizzo, Cubs
    3. Clayton Kershaw, Dodgers
    4. Javier Baez, Cubs
    5. Kyle Schwarber, Cubs
    6. Noah Syndergaard, Mets
    7. Corey Seager, Dodgers
    8. Buster Posey, Giants
    9. Gary Sanchez, Yankees
    10. Mike Trout, Angels
    11. Yadier Molina, Cardinals
    12. Madison Bumgarner, Giants
    13. Yoenis Cespedes, Mets
    14. Mookie Betts, Red Sox
    15. Bryce Harper, Nationals
    16. Francisco Lindor, Indians
    17. Freddie Freeman, Braves
    18. Dustin Pedroia, Red Sox
    19. Jose Altuve, Astros
    20. Josh Donaldson, Blue Jays

    Where is Stanton?  I'm actually surprised that he isn't on there.  This was in June though...

    A ranking of Jerseys:
    https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/best-uniforms-in-mlb-ranking-every-teams-2017-look-from-1-to-30/
  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,498
    mrussel1 said:
    Whoever mentioned that the "swing for the fences" mentality is the main driver behind the rise in strikeouts, is probably right.  You never see anyone choke up, hit for contact...in fact, announcers rave when someone is actually able to hit the ball the other way.  Baseball could lower the hill, shrink the strike zone, and do other tweaks to deal with that issue, but that would be stupid.  It's an approach issue.  
    Agreed.  Anthony Rizzo always chokes up with 2 strikes.  He's a rare case, though.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    mrussel1 said:
    I give MLB a big fat F for the uniforms.  As usual Florida Marlins have the ugliest damn ones...
    Such a stupid idea
    I went to the Indians/Royals games Sat and Sun for this weekend.  Saturday night was a jersey giveaway and fireworks.  Sunday was kids day.  I can tell you the kids around us loved the uniforms and had a blast.  I think you guys are either being too cynical or forgetting that kids are a pretty important demographic for MLB...or both.  
    You could give away a colored balloon at a game for free and the kids will love it.

    The Marlins made their uniforms more colorful so the kids will love it.  I'm not so sure that worked...

    Top 20 jersey sales:
    1. Kris Bryant, Cubs
    2. Anthony Rizzo, Cubs
    3. Clayton Kershaw, Dodgers
    4. Javier Baez, Cubs
    5. Kyle Schwarber, Cubs
    6. Noah Syndergaard, Mets
    7. Corey Seager, Dodgers
    8. Buster Posey, Giants
    9. Gary Sanchez, Yankees
    10. Mike Trout, Angels
    11. Yadier Molina, Cardinals
    12. Madison Bumgarner, Giants
    13. Yoenis Cespedes, Mets
    14. Mookie Betts, Red Sox
    15. Bryce Harper, Nationals
    16. Francisco Lindor, Indians
    17. Freddie Freeman, Braves
    18. Dustin Pedroia, Red Sox
    19. Jose Altuve, Astros
    20. Josh Donaldson, Blue Jays

    Where is Stanton?  I'm actually surprised that he isn't on there.  This was in June though...

    A ranking of Jerseys:
    https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/best-uniforms-in-mlb-ranking-every-teams-2017-look-from-1-to-30/

    Where is Hoskins?
    www.myspace.com
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,599
    mrussel1 said:
    I give MLB a big fat F for the uniforms.  As usual Florida Marlins have the ugliest damn ones...
    Such a stupid idea
    I went to the Indians/Royals games Sat and Sun for this weekend.  Saturday night was a jersey giveaway and fireworks.  Sunday was kids day.  I can tell you the kids around us loved the uniforms and had a blast.  I think you guys are either being too cynical or forgetting that kids are a pretty important demographic for MLB...or both.  
    You could give away a colored balloon at a game for free and the kids will love it.

    The Marlins made their uniforms more colorful so the kids will love it.  I'm not so sure that worked...

    Top 20 jersey sales:
    1. Kris Bryant, Cubs
    2. Anthony Rizzo, Cubs
    3. Clayton Kershaw, Dodgers
    4. Javier Baez, Cubs
    5. Kyle Schwarber, Cubs
    6. Noah Syndergaard, Mets
    7. Corey Seager, Dodgers
    8. Buster Posey, Giants
    9. Gary Sanchez, Yankees
    10. Mike Trout, Angels
    11. Yadier Molina, Cardinals
    12. Madison Bumgarner, Giants
    13. Yoenis Cespedes, Mets
    14. Mookie Betts, Red Sox
    15. Bryce Harper, Nationals
    16. Francisco Lindor, Indians
    17. Freddie Freeman, Braves
    18. Dustin Pedroia, Red Sox
    19. Jose Altuve, Astros
    20. Josh Donaldson, Blue Jays

    Where is Stanton?  I'm actually surprised that he isn't on there.  This was in June though...

    A ranking of Jerseys:
    https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/best-uniforms-in-mlb-ranking-every-teams-2017-look-from-1-to-30/

    Where is Hoskins?
    It's old because Judge was #1 for a while.
  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,396
    To clarify my stance---yeah, I like home runs. Sure, they are fun.......but, to me, a 1-0 gem of a pitchers duel that takes just under 3 hours is more interesting and fun than a 4 hour plus 10-7 slugfest.
    back in the day, those things sometimes wrapped up in under TWO hours. three hour baseball games were rare in the 1960s.
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
    Denver 22
    Missoula 24
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    Wobbie said:
    To clarify my stance---yeah, I like home runs. Sure, they are fun.......but, to me, a 1-0 gem of a pitchers duel that takes just under 3 hours is more interesting and fun than a 4 hour plus 10-7 slugfest.
    back in the day, those things sometimes wrapped up in under TWO hours. three hour baseball games were rare in the 1960s.
    I'd just like to take this opportunity to point out how old Rob is.

    Thank you. Thank you.
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  • Wobbie
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    Wobbie said:
    To clarify my stance---yeah, I like home runs. Sure, they are fun.......but, to me, a 1-0 gem of a pitchers duel that takes just under 3 hours is more interesting and fun than a 4 hour plus 10-7 slugfest.
    back in the day, those things sometimes wrapped up in under TWO hours. three hour baseball games were rare in the 1960s.
    I'd just like to take this opportunity to point out how old Rob is.

    Thank you. Thank you.

    I heard about those games from my dad.
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
    Denver 22
    Missoula 24
  • cutz
    cutz Posts: 12,292

    No, i didn't know Connie Mack real name. I would've had to Google it.
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    cutz said:
    cutz said:
    Raise the mound? The batters are  on pace to set the all time MLB strikeout record for a season, for what? 3rd or 4th year in-a-row?  Today's players don't care about striking out. HR's gets the big contract.  It drives me nuts the amount of strikeouts in today's game. 

    I'd love to see some pitching duels too, but , for the most part, those days are over. TV doesn't help with that, though. I remember seeing Steve Carlton pitch in 1972 and we would be home in 3 hours from his first pitch of the game. And, we didn't live across  the street from the stadium either.
    Yes raise the mound.  The era of Pitchers will drop like a rock.

    2 things that boggle my mind the year before they lowered it, ready?

    Carl Yazstremski led the league with a .301 average.  .301...

    Bob Gibson led the league with a 1.12 ERA.  He pitched a full year and not a partial.  There wasn't a strike shortened season.

    1.12

    Let those two things sink in.
    I did  know  about those stats.

    They could lower the mound( i'd  like to see it for a couple of seasons to see how it goes), but i doubt the MLBPA would go for it. I'm sure the pitchers would love to see it raised, though.

    Check out these stats for these pitchers. They make Bob Gibson & Sandy Koufax stats look ordinary>HAHA>Maybe you've already seen these stats?

    Al Spalding: https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/spaldal01.shtml

    Old Hoss Radbourn: https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/radboch01.shtml  (check out that 1884 season> 73 starts & 73 complete games. I always laugh my ass off every time i look at some the old time players stats)
    Baseball in it's infancy has some CRAZY numbers. Spitballs and cheating were rampant.  I loved reading the stories of John McGraw rounding the bases from first to third and bypassing 2nd altogether when the ump wasn't looking.  Spalding was a hell of a player too and good pioneer of the game early on.  Glad to see someone else that appreciates the game like that.

    Cy Young has more losses than people have wins.  That's just nuts.

    The above stats with from 68 are fairly modern and still hold weight.  But you are right when you say that the MLBPA won't allow it.  The inflated numbers are good for attendance and good for a players salary.  But one can dream...
    Yup, 1968. Yaz won the batting title with that .301 AVG. which is the lowest ever for batting Champion. I remember one of my HS teachers use to give me & my friends some baseball trivia questions and he asked :who won the batting title with the lowest avg. ever? , and he barely got the question out when i gave him the answer. My Dad use to give me stats like that when i was a kid. He actually took me to Connie Mack Stadium in Philly a couple of times, though i only have a vague memory of it. 

    I also couldn't help but notice something about Al Spalding . He only pitched 7 years and only 11 innings in year 7 at age 26. I think his career was over because his arm probably came off after throwing almost 2,900 innings.
    With out googling it, do you know Connie Macks real name?

    I'm a huge old time baseball buff so I have fun with these things.
    I know his real surname was McGillicuddy (sp?), not sure of his first name.
    Bonus question:

    What is HOF'er Al Simmons' real name?
    Al Simmons anyone?  Know his real name?