Russia's Influence On The American Election

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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    more proof of Trump Putin collusion
    Were the Russians seeking out low level aides as a disuse for Trump Putin collusion or did Trump set up the 28 yr old DePaul grad to take the fall?
    Manafort at least cleared this hurdle by twice rejecting the offer.

    "To experts in Russian intelligence gathering, the Papadopoulos chain offers further evidence that Russians were looking for entry points and playing upon connections with lower-level aides to penetrate the 2016 campaign."
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,262
    edited August 2017
    JC29856 said:
    more proof of Trump Putin collusion
    Were the Russians seeking out low level aides as a disuse for Trump Putin collusion or did Trump set up the 28 yr old DePaul grad to take the fall?
    Manafort at least cleared this hurdle by twice rejecting the offer.

    "To experts in Russian intelligence gathering, the Papadopoulos chain offers further evidence that Russians were looking for entry points and playing upon connections with lower-level aides to penetrate the 2016 campaign."
    Did Manafort "clear the hurdle?" Manafort had his home raided by the FBI. Seems more likely that he stumbled and face planted.

    Donny Jr. was a lower level aide? Who knew but it sounds about right.

    What do you think? Was it "proof of Trump/Putin collusion or a set up by Trump of a 28 year old DePaul grad?" Not an alt-stupid question.

    Follow the money, from Russia with love and a PTAPE, all the way to impeachment. 755.
    Post edited by Halifax2TheMax on
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  • JC29856
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    JC29856 said:
    more proof of Trump Putin collusion
    Were the Russians seeking out low level aides as a disuse for Trump Putin collusion or did Trump set up the 28 yr old DePaul grad to take the fall?
    Manafort at least cleared this hurdle by twice rejecting the offer.

    "To experts in Russian intelligence gathering, the Papadopoulos chain offers further evidence that Russians were looking for entry points and playing upon connections with lower-level aides to penetrate the 2016 campaign."
    Did Manafort "clear the hurdle?" Manafort had his home raided by the FBI. Seems more likely that he stumbled and face planted.

    Donny Jr. was a lower level aide? Who knew but it sounds about right.

    What do you think? Was it "proof of Trump/Putin collusion or a set up by Trump of a 28 year old DePaul grad?" Not an alt-stupid question.

    Follow the money, from Russia with love and a PTAPE, all the way to impeachment. 755.
    now I feel dirty
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,262
    JC29856 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    JC29856 said:
    more proof of Trump Putin collusion
    Were the Russians seeking out low level aides as a disuse for Trump Putin collusion or did Trump set up the 28 yr old DePaul grad to take the fall?
    Manafort at least cleared this hurdle by twice rejecting the offer.

    "To experts in Russian intelligence gathering, the Papadopoulos chain offers further evidence that Russians were looking for entry points and playing upon connections with lower-level aides to penetrate the 2016 campaign."
    Did Manafort "clear the hurdle?" Manafort had his home raided by the FBI. Seems more likely that he stumbled and face planted.

    Donny Jr. was a lower level aide? Who knew but it sounds about right.

    What do you think? Was it "proof of Trump/Putin collusion or a set up by Trump of a 28 year old DePaul grad?" Not an alt-stupid question.

    Follow the money, from Russia with love and a PTAPE, all the way to impeachment. 755.
    now I feel dirty
    You should.
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  • mrussel1
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    Identity politics are a loser long term.  The Progressives would do well to create a vision for all of America.  
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited August 2017
    more traction, slowly the cornerstone of the democratic pillar RRR is being chipped away

    http://www.salon.com/2017/08/15/what-if-the-dnc-russian-hack-was-really-a-leak-after-all-a-new-report-raises-questions-media-and-democrats-would-rather-ignore/

    What if the DNC Russian “hack” was really a leak after all? A new report raises questions media and Democrats would rather ignore

    A group of intelligence pros and forensic investigators tell The Nation there was no hack— the media ignores it

    If all this is true, these findings would constitute a massive embarrassment for not only the DNC itself but the media, which has breathlessly pushed the Russian hacking narrative for an entire year, almost without question but with little solid evidence to back it up.

    You could easily be forgiven for not having heard about this latest development — because, perhaps to avoid potential embarrassment, the media has completely ignored it. Instead, to this point only a few right-wing sites have seen fit to publish follow-ups.




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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    Wait three more days and post the exact same thing once again.  
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,262
    JC29856 said:
    more traction, slowly the cornerstone of the democratic pillar RRR is being chipped away

    http://www.salon.com/2017/08/15/what-if-the-dnc-russian-hack-was-really-a-leak-after-all-a-new-report-raises-questions-media-and-democrats-would-rather-ignore/

    What if the DNC Russian “hack” was really a leak after all? A new report raises questions media and Democrats would rather ignore

    A group of intelligence pros and forensic investigators tell The Nation there was no hack— the media ignores it

    If all this is true, these findings would constitute a massive embarrassment for not only the DNC itself but the media, which has breathlessly pushed the Russian hacking narrative for an entire year, almost without question but with little solid evidence to back it up.

    You could easily be forgiven for not having heard about this latest development — because, perhaps to avoid potential embarrassment, the media has completely ignored it. Instead, to this point only a few right-wing sites have seen fit to publish follow-ups.




    What "group of intelligence pros" and "forensics investigators?" Not an alt-stupid question.
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  • CM189191
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    JC29856 said:
    more traction, slowly the cornerstone of the democratic pillar RRR is being chipped away

    http://www.salon.com/2017/08/15/what-if-the-dnc-russian-hack-was-really-a-leak-after-all-a-new-report-raises-questions-media-and-democrats-would-rather-ignore/

    What if the DNC Russian “hack” was really a leak after all? A new report raises questions media and Democrats would rather ignore

    A group of intelligence pros and forensic investigators tell The Nation there was no hack— the media ignores it

    If all this is true, these findings would constitute a massive embarrassment for not only the DNC itself but the media, which has breathlessly pushed the Russian hacking narrative for an entire year, almost without question but with little solid evidence to back it up.

    You could easily be forgiven for not having heard about this latest development — because, perhaps to avoid potential embarrassment, the media has completely ignored it. Instead, to this point only a few right-wing sites have seen fit to publish follow-ups.




    Democratic National Committee contacted The Nation with a response, writing, “U.S. intelligence agencies have concluded the Russian government hacked the DNC in an attempt to interfere in the election. Any suggestion otherwise is false and is just another conspiracy theory like those pushed by Trump and his administration. It’s unfortunate that The Nation has decided to join the conspiracy theorists to push this narrative.”

    Who is this mysterious Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS)? What gives them any credibility?

    I will rely on the current intelligent communities analysis, rather than some washed up old retiree desperate for attention.
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,262
    CM189191 said:
    JC29856 said:
    more traction, slowly the cornerstone of the democratic pillar RRR is being chipped away

    http://www.salon.com/2017/08/15/what-if-the-dnc-russian-hack-was-really-a-leak-after-all-a-new-report-raises-questions-media-and-democrats-would-rather-ignore/

    What if the DNC Russian “hack” was really a leak after all? A new report raises questions media and Democrats would rather ignore

    A group of intelligence pros and forensic investigators tell The Nation there was no hack— the media ignores it

    If all this is true, these findings would constitute a massive embarrassment for not only the DNC itself but the media, which has breathlessly pushed the Russian hacking narrative for an entire year, almost without question but with little solid evidence to back it up.

    You could easily be forgiven for not having heard about this latest development — because, perhaps to avoid potential embarrassment, the media has completely ignored it. Instead, to this point only a few right-wing sites have seen fit to publish follow-ups.




    Democratic National Committee contacted The Nation with a response, writing, “U.S. intelligence agencies have concluded the Russian government hacked the DNC in an attempt to interfere in the election. Any suggestion otherwise is false and is just another conspiracy theory like those pushed by Trump and his administration. It’s unfortunate that The Nation has decided to join the conspiracy theorists to push this narrative.”

    Who is this mysterious Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS)? What gives them any credibility?

    I will rely on the current intelligent communities analysis, rather than some washed up old retiree desperate for attention.
    I wonder if Trump will release their Election Day voting so we can see who they voted for? I also wonder whose campaign they contributed to. Might also want to see if they've done any think tank or consulting work.
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  • JC29856
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    The truth has set another free

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/special-counsels-russia-probe-loses-top-fbi-investigator/story?id=49249486

    One of the FBI's top investigators, tapped by special counsel Robert Mueller just weeks ago to help lead the probe of Russian meddling in last year's presidential election, has left Mueller’s team, sources tell ABC News.

    The recent departure of FBI veteran Peter Strzok is the first known hitch in a secretive probe that by all public accounts is charging full-steam ahead. Just last week, news surfaced that Mueller's team had executed a search warrant at the Virginia home of Donald Trump’s former campaign manager, Paul Manafort. And the week before that ABC News confirmed Mueller is now using a federal grand jury in Washington, D.C., to collect documents and other evidence.

    It's unclear why Strzok stepped away from Mueller's team of nearly two dozen lawyers, investigators and administrative staff. Strzok, who has spent much of his law enforcement career working counterintelligence cases and has been unanimously praised by government officials who spoke with ABC News, is now working for the FBI's human resources division.

    He is no stranger to complex and controversial investigations.

    As chief of the FBI's counterespionage section last year, he helped oversee the FBI's investigation into Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server, and he took part in the FBI interview of the Democratic presidential candidate.

    Within weeks of the Clinton probe ending, Strzok found his office facing a new challenge: investigating Russia's alleged efforts to influence last year’s presidential election, including a cyberattack on the Democratic National Committee.

    A spokesman for the special counsel's office declined to comment.


  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,262
    JC29856 said:
    The truth has set another free

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/special-counsels-russia-probe-loses-top-fbi-investigator/story?id=49249486

    One of the FBI's top investigators, tapped by special counsel Robert Mueller just weeks ago to help lead the probe of Russian meddling in last year's presidential election, has left Mueller’s team, sources tell ABC News.

    The recent departure of FBI veteran Peter Strzok is the first known hitch in a secretive probe that by all public accounts is charging full-steam ahead. Just last week, news surfaced that Mueller's team had executed a search warrant at the Virginia home of Donald Trump’s former campaign manager, Paul Manafort. And the week before that ABC News confirmed Mueller is now using a federal grand jury in Washington, D.C., to collect documents and other evidence.

    It's unclear why Strzok stepped away from Mueller's team of nearly two dozen lawyers, investigators and administrative staff. Strzok, who has spent much of his law enforcement career working counterintelligence cases and has been unanimously praised by government officials who spoke with ABC News, is now working for the FBI's human resources division.

    He is no stranger to complex and controversial investigations.

    As chief of the FBI's counterespionage section last year, he helped oversee the FBI's investigation into Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server, and he took part in the FBI interview of the Democratic presidential candidate.

    Within weeks of the Clinton probe ending, Strzok found his office facing a new challenge: investigating Russia's alleged efforts to influence last year’s presidential election, including a cyberattack on the Democratic National Committee.

    A spokesman for the special counsel's office declined to comment.


    Ooooooooooooo, Trump's innocent. Maybe he's a pussy grabber? Maybe 3D is working hard for the dollar.
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  • mrussel1
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    People who defend Trump after this point, or try create moral equivalence are morally corrupt.  The sides have been clearly drawn and it's not D vs. R.  
  • Bentleyspop
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    mrussel1 said:
    People who defend Trump after this point, or try create moral equivalence are morally corrupt.  The sides have been clearly drawn and it's not D vs. R.  
    If you support evil and ignorance
    You are evil and ignorant
  • jeffbr
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    mrussel1 said:
    People who defend Trump after this point, or try create moral equivalence are morally corrupt.  The sides have been clearly drawn and it's not D vs. R.  
    Exactly right. It is not D vs R. Here are some R's who have put themselves on the right side of this issue. There are many more, but this is a good sampling. It doesn't mean that these people are now the "good guys" but at least they have a modicum of morality and civility:

    "We must be clear. White supremacy is repulsive. This bigotry is counter to all this country stands for. There can be no moral ambiguity." Paul Ryan

    "We cannot accept excuses for white supremacy and acts of domestic terrorism. We must condemn them. Period." Jeff Flake

    "There's no moral equivalency between racists & Americans standing up to defy hate& bigotry. The President of the United States should say so." John McCain

    "This is simple: we must condemn and marginalize white supremacist groups, not encourage and embolden them." Todd Young

    "We should never hesitate to call out hate. Whenever and wherever we see it." Orin Hatch

    "Racism, bigotry, anti-Semitism of any form is unacceptable and the leaders of the free world should be unambiguous about that." Will Hurd

    "Blaming "both sides" for #Charlottesville?! No. Back to relativism when dealing with KKK, Nazi sympathizers, white supremacists? Just no." Ileana Ros-Lehtinen

    "The organizers of events which inspired & led to #charlottesvilleterroristattack are 100% to blame for a number of reasons. We can not allow this old evil to be resurrected." Marco Rubio

    "No, not the same. One side is racist, bigoted, Nazi. The other opposes racism and bigotry. Morally different universes." Mitt Romney

    "America must always reject racial bigotry, anti-Semitism, and hatred in all forms. As we pray for Charlottesville, we are reminded of the fundamental truths recorded by that city's most prominent citizen in the Declaration of Independence: we are all created equal and endowed by our Creator with unalienable rights. We know these truths to be everlasting because we have seen the decency and greatness of our country." Joint Statement from G.H.W. & G.W. Bush
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    Great list... I especially appreciate Mitt's statements.  
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/16/world/europe/russia-ukraine-malware-hacking-witness.html

    tangled web weaved
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    Thought this went away? Hmm...
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    JC29856 said:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/16/world/europe/russia-ukraine-malware-hacking-witness.html

    Trump's campaign tangled web weaved

    Fixed that for you. An FBI interviewed witness, provide testimony in exchange for witness protection in the country of your choosing, after a new identity, inclusive of plastic surgery, of course. Hmmmmm, Manafort, Ukraine, practice makes perfect, news sites with pre-prepared stories as soon as emails are published? It all sounds and is familiar.


    Follow the money, from Russia with love and a PTAPE, all the way to impeachment. 755 +1.



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    ut-oh him again!!

    http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/346904-assange-meets-us-congressman-vows-to-prove-russia-did-not-leak-him

    Julian Assange told a U.S. congressman on Tuesday he can prove the leaked Democratic Party documents he published during last year's election did not come from Russia and promised additional helpful information about the leaks in the near future.

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