Russia's Influence On The American Election

Halifax2TheMax · August 2017

Oh Jared dear boy? Oh Jared? Since you've done such a bang up job on that Mid East peace, take the jet over to Korea and talk some sense into that little short fella, would you please Jared dear boy? But don't take the big jet, that's daddy's.

mrussel1 · August 2017

And what has been the result so far of all this fake news, as declared by you and your fellow Trump minions? Is there a war? No. Is there an investigation? Yes. Is there a grand jury and search warrant? Yes. So not only has the security professionals seen something, but now a jury of citizens have seen something too, and a judge. So in the scale of people who know what the fuck they're talking about and in the know, you're pretty low on the list.

Halifax2TheMax · August 2017

mrussel1 said:

And what has been the result so far of all this fake news, as declared by you and your fellow Trump minions? Is there a war? No. Is there an investigation? Yes. Is there a grand jury and search warrant? Yes. So not only has the security professionals seen something, but now a jury of citizens have seen something too, and a judge. So in the scale of people who know what the fuck they're talking about and in the know, you're pretty low on the list.

Don't forget Polish, Swedish and British intelligence services who brought said intelligence regarding Trump to the US' attention. Maybe it's just another slice of the New World? Order up!

mrussel1 · August 2017

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

And what has been the result so far of all this fake news, as declared by you and your fellow Trump minions? Is there a war? No. Is there an investigation? Yes. Is there a grand jury and search warrant? Yes. So not only has the security professionals seen something, but now a jury of citizens have seen something too, and a judge. So in the scale of people who know what the fuck they're talking about and in the know, you're pretty low on the list.

Don't forget Polish, Swedish and British intelligence services who brought said intelligence regarding Trump to the US' attention. Maybe it's just another slice of the New World? Order up!

Nicely done.

JC29856 · August 2017

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

One curious thing throughout this anti-Russia hysteria is the use of the word “fact.” American politicians and media emphatically pound into the public the FACT that Russian meddled in the American elections. Facts are interesting critters, aren’t they? The last time I checked, they are always accompanied by evidence, so it’s curious that one often hears the word “fact” but rarely hears anything about “evidence,” and the corporate media rarely even questions these so-called “facts” to ask for evidence. You’d think it would be common sense to merely ask for the evidence to support the facts, and the rare occasion a reporter does naively stumble upon this question, the answer is always the same: “Yes, we have evidence, but it’s ‘classified.’” How many times have you heard that song and dance? It seems to me that “classified” has become just another form of censorship; in reality, the American people and the world at large are on a “need to know” basis. Big Brother tells us what they want us to know, faithfully echoed in the lapdog media, and what they don’t want us to know is “classified.” How convenient in the land of a “free” democratic society.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/08/10/the-american-anti-russia-hysteria-and-sanctions-bill/

Fact, Adam Schiff, Mark Warner and the rest of the Democratic leadership, Obama, Obama's security team and all national security persons with access to the top secret data are all on the same page. Just because your ass hasn't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Because it's top secret, you can either choose to believe the evidence exists by believing the leaders you think are trustworthy, or you can disbelief because you think Trump and his family of cronies are trustworthy. Until it's de-classified, these are your choices. No matter how many posts you write or articles you read that say the same thing, it's still classified.

didn't every member privy to the intelligence say their is no evidence of Trump Russia collusion?
that includes those you named.
anyway, the point is there has been zero evidence put forth that Russia meddled in the election. zero
If I missed it then educate me.

mrussel1 · August 2017

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

One curious thing throughout this anti-Russia hysteria is the use of the word “fact.” American politicians and media emphatically pound into the public the FACT that Russian meddled in the American elections. Facts are interesting critters, aren’t they? The last time I checked, they are always accompanied by evidence, so it’s curious that one often hears the word “fact” but rarely hears anything about “evidence,” and the corporate media rarely even questions these so-called “facts” to ask for evidence. You’d think it would be common sense to merely ask for the evidence to support the facts, and the rare occasion a reporter does naively stumble upon this question, the answer is always the same: “Yes, we have evidence, but it’s ‘classified.’” How many times have you heard that song and dance? It seems to me that “classified” has become just another form of censorship; in reality, the American people and the world at large are on a “need to know” basis. Big Brother tells us what they want us to know, faithfully echoed in the lapdog media, and what they don’t want us to know is “classified.” How convenient in the land of a “free” democratic society.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/08/10/the-american-anti-russia-hysteria-and-sanctions-bill/

Fact, Adam Schiff, Mark Warner and the rest of the Democratic leadership, Obama, Obama's security team and all national security persons with access to the top secret data are all on the same page. Just because your ass hasn't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Because it's top secret, you can either choose to believe the evidence exists by believing the leaders you think are trustworthy, or you can disbelief because you think Trump and his family of cronies are trustworthy. Until it's de-classified, these are your choices. No matter how many posts you write or articles you read that say the same thing, it's still classified.

didn't every member privy to the intelligence say their is no evidence of Trump Russia collusion?
that includes those you named.
anyway, the point is there has been zero evidence put forth that Russia meddled in the election. zero
If I missed it then educate me.

The stories you've been posting aren't about Trump, rather about whether Russia interfered. Those are two different angles. Second, no one is saying that now that the DTJ email was released. So... that's why we don't start and end investigations on teh same day. They actually take time.
To your last point, you obviously are not digesting what I wrote. There hasn't been any PUBLIC evidence. But all of the committees, Obama team, national security people from both administrations have a decidedly different conclusion than you. But I get it, you read a lot of articles on counterpunch, RT and Sputnik. They only see classified information. You're a leninist. Bannon is a leninst. They aren't. I'll go with them.

ledvedderman · August 2017

Stop what you're doing and find Trump's comments about the Russian expulsion of diplomats. I read the text where he thanked Putin and reserved judgement until I saw video because I thought it was sarcastic...nope. Good grief.

Halifax2TheMax · August 2017

ledvedderman said:

Stop what you're doing and find Trump's comments about the Russian expulsion of diplomats. I read the text where he thanked Putin and reserved judgement until I saw video because I thought it was sarcastic...nope. Good grief.

PTAPE755.

PJfanwillneverleave1 · August 2017

^^^
So this vacuum swell of 755 expulsed diplomats are they back in the wh?

mfc2006 · August 2017

ledvedderman said:

Stop what you're doing and find Trump's comments about the Russian expulsion of diplomats. I read the text where he thanked Putin and reserved judgement until I saw video because I thought it was sarcastic...nope. Good grief.

Good god.

JC29856 · August 2017

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

One curious thing throughout this anti-Russia hysteria is the use of the word “fact.” American politicians and media emphatically pound into the public the FACT that Russian meddled in the American elections. Facts are interesting critters, aren’t they? The last time I checked, they are always accompanied by evidence, so it’s curious that one often hears the word “fact” but rarely hears anything about “evidence,” and the corporate media rarely even questions these so-called “facts” to ask for evidence. You’d think it would be common sense to merely ask for the evidence to support the facts, and the rare occasion a reporter does naively stumble upon this question, the answer is always the same: “Yes, we have evidence, but it’s ‘classified.’” How many times have you heard that song and dance? It seems to me that “classified” has become just another form of censorship; in reality, the American people and the world at large are on a “need to know” basis. Big Brother tells us what they want us to know, faithfully echoed in the lapdog media, and what they don’t want us to know is “classified.” How convenient in the land of a “free” democratic society.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/08/10/the-american-anti-russia-hysteria-and-sanctions-bill/

Fact, Adam Schiff, Mark Warner and the rest of the Democratic leadership, Obama, Obama's security team and all national security persons with access to the top secret data are all on the same page. Just because your ass hasn't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Because it's top secret, you can either choose to believe the evidence exists by believing the leaders you think are trustworthy, or you can disbelief because you think Trump and his family of cronies are trustworthy. Until it's de-classified, these are your choices. No matter how many posts you write or articles you read that say the same thing, it's still classified.

didn't every member privy to the intelligence say their is no evidence of Trump Russia collusion?
that includes those you named.
anyway, the point is there has been zero evidence put forth that Russia meddled in the election. zero
If I missed it then educate me.

The stories you've been posting aren't about Trump, rather about whether Russia interfered. Those are two different angles. Second, no one is saying that now that the DTJ email was released. So... that's why we don't start and end investigations on teh same day. They actually take time.
To your last point, you obviously are not digesting what I wrote. There hasn't been any PUBLIC evidence. But all of the committees, Obama team, national security people from both administrations have a decidedly different conclusion than you. But I get it, you read a lot of articles on counterpunch, RT and Sputnik. They only see classified information. You're a leninist. Bannon is a leninst. They aren't. I'll go with them.

weak IMO.
what's so classified for the NSA to say to the American public, (of by and for the people) we have evidence that Putin, Russian state actors seemed to influence our elections by hacking the DNC. Instead they say, our level of confidence doesn't rise......because of the reliance on foreign intelligence.

here is a good summary, I encourage everyone to read it and draw your own conclusions. To me the most important point is the NSA ability to track packets of information exchanged.

http://bigleaguepolitics.com/walls-closing-russiagate-conspiracy-theorists-evidence-mounts-dnc-emails-provided-wikileaks-inside-source/

Halifax2TheMax · August 2017

Meanwhile, Manafort's soon to be ex son-in-law has voluntarily turned over documents to congressional committee investigators, who in turn have handed them over to Mueller's investigative team. Hell hath no fury like a son-in-law scorned. Hmmmmm, wonder why the FBI conducted a no knock raid on Manafort's home and holy Guamamole bat man, the meeting at Trump Tower wasn't previously known, so much for Obsma's surveillance of Trump Tower conspiracy theories, and the FBI raid was just reported upon despite happening in July. So much for the witch hunt "leaks." GHWB and Darth Cheney are laughing at the ameuratureness of it all. Jared dear boy, remember him?, has dropped completely out of sight, despite his high profile role in the administration and responsibility to reinvent government, apparently having turned personnel matters over from the Office of Personnel Management and the State Department's Human Resources department over to the Kremlin, resulting in Trump praising Moscow for staffing cuts and budget savings. PTAPE 755.

mfc2006 · August 2017

But wait....I thought this was going away??

Its definitely going to hit the fan. And it will spray all over Donald Dump.

JC29856 · August 2017

here is a statement from the dnc to the nation about their article on the leak vs hack findings.

Editor’s note: After publication, the Democratic National Committee contacted The Nation with a response, writing, “U.S. intelligence agencies have concluded the Russian government hacked the DNC in an attempt to interfere in the election. Any suggestion otherwise is false and is just another conspiracy theory like those pushed by Trump and his administration. It’s unfortunate that The Nation has decided to join the conspiracy theorists to push this narrative.

why does the dnc feel it necessary to respond to a conspiracy theory?
if you're going to address a conspiracy theory narrative pushed by the nation at least address the conspiracy raised?

the only thing their response tells me is what I already know, the dnc was hacked as concluded by US Intel, as if the leak of dnc emails and hack or attempted hacks could not have both occurred.

question still remains, was the dnc data downloaded to a drive locally or uploaded via the internet?

I don't recall them responding to any articles about them not having to be neutral to primary candidates per their arguments against dnc donors lawsuit.

https://www.thenation.com/article/a-new-report-raises-big-questions-about-last-years-dnc-hack/

dignin · August 2017

Mueller Is Said to Seek Interviews With West Wing in Russia Case

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/us/politics/mueller-trump-russia-priebus.html?_r=0&referer=https://t.co/HobKSpcoVB?amp=1

Going away any day now.

Halifax2TheMax · August 2017

dignin said:

Mueller Is Said to Seek Interviews With West Wing in Russia Case

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/us/politics/mueller-trump-russia-priebus.html?_r=0&referer=https://t.co/HobKSpcoVB?amp=1

Going away any day now.

Bingo! No wonder the flurry of 3D activity. Follow the money from Russia with love and a PTAPE, all the way to impeachment. Me thinks there was in fact collusion between Trump campaign operatives, RNC and Russia, Russia, Russia.

JC29856 · August 2017

JC29856 said:

here is a statement from the dnc to the nation about their article on the leak vs hack findings.

Editor’s note: After publication, the Democratic National Committee contacted The Nation with a response, writing, “U.S. intelligence agencies have concluded the Russian government hacked the DNC in an attempt to interfere in the election. Any suggestion otherwise is false and is just another conspiracy theory like those pushed by Trump and his administration. It’s unfortunate that The Nation has decided to join the conspiracy theorists to push this narrative.

why does the dnc feel it necessary to respond to a conspiracy theory?
if you're going to address a conspiracy theory narrative pushed by the nation at least address the conspiracy raised?

the only thing their response tells me is what I already know, the dnc was hacked as concluded by US Intel, as if the leak of dnc emails and hack or attempted hacks could not have both occurred.

question still remains, was the dnc data downloaded to a drive locally or uploaded via the internet?

I don't recall them responding to any articles about them not having to be neutral to primary candidates per their arguments against dnc donors lawsuit.

https://www.thenation.com/article/a-new-report-raises-big-questions-about-last-years-dnc-hack/

https://youtu.be/FWYPmHJ3WeU

Halifax2TheMax · August 2017

JC29856 said:

JC29856 said:

here is a statement from the dnc to the nation about their article on the leak vs hack findings.

Editor’s note: After publication, the Democratic National Committee contacted The Nation with a response, writing, “U.S. intelligence agencies have concluded the Russian government hacked the DNC in an attempt to interfere in the election. Any suggestion otherwise is false and is just another conspiracy theory like those pushed by Trump and his administration. It’s unfortunate that The Nation has decided to join the conspiracy theorists to push this narrative.

why does the dnc feel it necessary to respond to a conspiracy theory?
if you're going to address a conspiracy theory narrative pushed by the nation at least address the conspiracy raised?

the only thing their response tells me is what I already know, the dnc was hacked as concluded by US Intel, as if the leak of dnc emails and hack or attempted hacks could not have both occurred.

question still remains, was the dnc data downloaded to a drive locally or uploaded via the internet?

I don't recall them responding to any articles about them not having to be neutral to primary candidates per their arguments against dnc donors lawsuit.

https://www.thenation.com/article/a-new-report-raises-big-questions-about-last-years-dnc-hack/

https://youtu.be/FWYPmHJ3WeU

No, that gives credence to the conspiracy theory. Are you in public relations?

Halifax2TheMax · August 2017

Halifax2TheMax said:

JC29856 said:

JC29856 said:

here is a statement from the dnc to the nation about their article on the leak vs hack findings.

Editor’s note: After publication, the Democratic National Committee contacted The Nation with a response, writing, “U.S. intelligence agencies have concluded the Russian government hacked the DNC in an attempt to interfere in the election. Any suggestion otherwise is false and is just another conspiracy theory like those pushed by Trump and his administration. It’s unfortunate that The Nation has decided to join the conspiracy theorists to push this narrative.

why does the dnc feel it necessary to respond to a conspiracy theory?
if you're going to address a conspiracy theory narrative pushed by the nation at least address the conspiracy raised?

the only thing their response tells me is what I already know, the dnc was hacked as concluded by US Intel, as if the leak of dnc emails and hack or attempted hacks could not have both occurred.

question still remains, was the dnc data downloaded to a drive locally or uploaded via the internet?

I don't recall them responding to any articles about them not having to be neutral to primary candidates per their arguments against dnc donors lawsuit.

https://www.thenation.com/article/a-new-report-raises-big-questions-about-last-years-dnc-hack/

https://youtu.be/FWYPmHJ3WeU

No, that gives credence to the conspiracy theory. Are you in public relations?

Nice blurring of lines there as well. Conjuring up Comet Pizza and podesta emails again, I see. Are you into spin?

dignin · August 2017

And back to our regular scheduled programming.

Trump campaign emails show aide’s repeated efforts to set up Russia meetings

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-campaign-emails-show-aides-repeated-efforts-to-set-up-russia-meetings/2017/08/14/54d08da6-7dc2-11e7-83c7-5bd5460f0d7e_story.html?utm_term=.e3554067b9a8

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