Mental Illness

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    well folks, today is Bell Let's Talk Day. for every tweet or text message using the hash tag #bellletstalk, Bell Canada will donate 5 cents to mental health initiatives in Canada. Since 2010, they have donated over $100 Million.

    Good show, Bell Canada!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    edited January 2016
    Thoughts_Arrive said:

    chadwick said:

    if i may ask, what is her mental illness? she applied for work with 900 employers?

    Depression and Anxiety.
    Here's the article: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/north-west/sunburys-kristy-hansen-says-job-is-meant-to-be-after-900-applications/news-story/d3352de66bca33fdb486d678dabf8461
    Hmm. Why did this woman keep telling people at interviews about it unless she thought it would negatively impact the work she would be doing? She was under no obligation to divulge an illness unless it would prevent her from doing the job, and if it did, then the employer would be under no obligation to hire her. It is not normal to tell people about your depression at a job interview just like it's not normal to tell people, say, that you get chronic bladder infections.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,758
    PJ_Soul said:

    Thoughts_Arrive said:

    chadwick said:

    if i may ask, what is her mental illness? she applied for work with 900 employers?

    Depression and Anxiety.
    Here's the article: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/north-west/sunburys-kristy-hansen-says-job-is-meant-to-be-after-900-applications/news-story/d3352de66bca33fdb486d678dabf8461
    Hmm. Why did this woman keep telling people at interviews about it unless she thought it would negatively impact the work she would be doing? She was under no obligation to divulge an illness unless it would prevent her from doing the job, and if it did, then the employer would be under no obligation to hire her. It is not normal to tell people about your depression at a job interview just like it's not normal to tell people, say, that you get chronic bladder infections.
    seems to me that maybe she was just trying to make a point. the wrong point, IMO.

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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,758
    http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/12/health/mental-health-response-from-company-ceo-trnd/index.html
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,758
    it's been a shitty 6 months. probably longer. advice: don't quit your meds. no matter the reason. mine? I forgot to renew my Rx and was going away, so I thought "ok, I'll give it a shot". that set me back MONTHS and nearly killed me. I'm still not even close to 100%. it's brutal. I have never called in sick and just laid in bed staring at the ceiling so much in my life. every single day I'd wake up shaking nervously. I literally hated the day the second my eyes opened. it was a terrible way to live. lost a bunch of weight again. every little minutiae of the day stresses me the fuck out. 

    which has manifested itself physically again, and caused my anxiety to get exponentially worse. ugh. (don't google your symptoms! ever!)

    good thing I have a boss who asks no questions. 
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    it's been a shitty 6 months. probably longer. advice: don't quit your meds. no matter the reason. mine? I forgot to renew my Rx and was going away, so I thought "ok, I'll give it a shot". that set me back MONTHS and nearly killed me. I'm still not even close to 100%. it's brutal. I have never called in sick and just laid in bed staring at the ceiling so much in my life. every single day I'd wake up shaking nervously. I literally hated the day the second my eyes opened. it was a terrible way to live. lost a bunch of weight again. every little minutiae of the day stresses me the fuck out. 

    which has manifested itself physically again, and caused my anxiety to get exponentially worse. ugh. (don't google your symptoms! ever!)

    good thing I have a boss who asks no questions. 
    Thinking good thought for you my friend.    Anxiety is the shits and although a lot of the symptoms are similar, I think those of us who struggle with it all do so in our own way so, like you say,  better to not read about it Google or in books.  I think it's more helpful to focus on finding something to anchor to than it is to focus on the symptoms.  Do what works best for you, not what someone else says.  You're a good guy, you know yourself, and your friends here care!  I will send out anxiety ass-kicking good vibes for you and hope things start sailing smoother for you, HFD.  You're cool, man.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327

    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    I don't think psychologists and psychiatrists really care. If they did they'd have a heart and lower their fees. All I did was spend $200 a week talking, venting and it got me nowhere and $3000 out of pocket. Now that I am unemployed I can't afford it.
    Hey Thoughts, as a person who works alot with psychologists and psychiatrist, I can tell you most do really care but you also have to search for one that you trust and one that works in the way you want.  for example, I once went to meet a existential therapist and while i did gain some insight i also felt that it didn't help me in ways that I want.   I have also tried many different types of talk therapy such as CBT and interpersonal therapy. 

    it sucks that you didn't get what you were looking for but don't give up.  
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    PJ_Soul said:
    I am so pissed off psychologists and psychiatrists charge so much for 50 mins of their time. I for one need sessions but cannot afford it right now, $200 every week or fortnight is too much. How much does it cost in the USA?
    Where do you live? I know in Canada these things can cost a lot, but if a doctor actually refers you to a psychiatrist as a medical need you can get it covered. Also, where do you work? Any good benefits? Because I also know that my benefits actually include 12 free therapist sessions a year with good therapists if you need them, BUT it's not a benefit that is "advertised" for some reason. Most employees have absolutely no idea it's an option (which is shameful).
    Hey PJ, that is quite amazing that you get 12 free sessions a year. my employer benefit package allows for 50 a year that can be used between myself and my girlfriend.  you don't see alot of employers giving these benefits. 
  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    edited July 2017
    brianlux said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    it's been a shitty 6 months. probably longer. advice: don't quit your meds. no matter the reason. mine? I forgot to renew my Rx and was going away, so I thought "ok, I'll give it a shot". that set me back MONTHS and nearly killed me. I'm still not even close to 100%. it's brutal. I have never called in sick and just laid in bed staring at the ceiling so much in my life. every single day I'd wake up shaking nervously. I literally hated the day the second my eyes opened. it was a terrible way to live. lost a bunch of weight again. every little minutiae of the day stresses me the fuck out. 

    which has manifested itself physically again, and caused my anxiety to get exponentially worse. ugh. (don't google your symptoms! ever!)

    good thing I have a boss who asks no questions. 
    Thinking good thought for you my friend.    Anxiety is the shits and although a lot of the symptoms are similar, I think those of us who struggle with it all do so in our own way so, like you say,  better to not read about it Google or in books.  I think it's more helpful to focus on finding something to anchor to than it is to focus on the symptoms.  Do what works best for you, not what someone else says.  You're a good guy, you know yourself, and your friends here care!  I will send out anxiety ass-kicking good vibes for you and hope things start sailing smoother for you, HFD.  You're cool, man.
    HughFreakingDillon
    I have ADHD.(attention deficit hyperactivity disorder) I've never been hyper but that's what they call it.  Is that a mental illness?   I think so.  That's what the grade school shrink told my parents & I anyway.  Yes I was one of the Ritalin lab rat experiments.  And they gave it to me at the wrong age. It's useful they say, before puberty.  Suppose to help you concentrate. But they started me on it in 6th and 7th grade.  And I figured out very quickly that if I took it 20 minutes before gym class holy fuck I could run faster and jump higher than anybody else.  And then an hour & a half later you hit the wall with ZERO energy, having to cope the rest of the day with out it.  When I went back for a check up at the end of 7th grade, I answered the doctors questions about it, the doctor took my mom into a little closed door meeting room across the hall way for 2 minutes that I was not invited to, and said "whoops this isn't supposed to happen!" we've got to get him off of this as soon as possible but don't stop him cold turkey. My mom was trying to cut a pill the size of an aspirin into 8ths to wean me off of it.
    But starting a kid in the sixth or seventh grade, it was damn wrong in the first place right?  So you got to be careful what shrinks you go to.  They will prescribed you s*** that you shouldn't be taking. And the dosage that my mom was giving me to begin with was one pill cut into quarters, so I had a quarter of a pill and I was bouncing off the walls for an hour and a half.  At the time I thought it was fun.  I didn't realize that I was fucking high. Later on in life looking back I think that they were experimenting to see what it would do to a kid a little older than what's actually recommended.  And the doc knew damn well that he had no business perscribing this shit to me based on my age.  The doctor who did this to me looked like Mr.Rodgers!  Kaki pants pulled up to his nipples for crying out loud, and a nice zipup sweater.  I also thought that he spent way too much time with the physical examination kinda odd.  So then I go and read about all the side effects and post effects that it can do to you, and none of them are good. Hard on your liver, hard on your heart, makes​ your heart race, blood pressure shoots up like a rocket. When you're in 7th grade, this isn't good it's not good anytime.  You go on with a somewhat compromised system after that.  I read that a common thing with ADD people is that complex things can make total sense, and the most basic things cause confusion.  Wierd.
    As a 40 year old now it comes and goes.   I drive a semi truck so I have learned how to cope with it.  But some days it's bad.  When I have to much time on my hands is when it gets the​ worst.  Got things that I want to do or get done.  I can be going to the hardware store for something, swing by a burger joint, then halfway through the drive through change my mind about eating there and go home forgetting that I was going to the hardware store for something.  We all have shit that we deal with man.
    I joke now that I have AAHD
    (Adult Attention Hell-of-a-Disorder) so I tend to only entertain only one or two threads at a time.
    Just checked this one out for the first time today it's been going on for awhile with very interesting content.  I obviously don't know you, but I do care about you and your happiness and your well-being HFD.  And everyone else here for that matter.
    I will pray for you, it certainly can't hurt. ;)
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  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    edited July 2017
    Cheer up music.
    https://youtu.be/YcAw0ROJe0U
    https://youtu.be/zOPPfA4sUTA
    I just love The Head and the Heart!
    Post edited by RYME on
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Pumping kids full of drugs, yeah that's the answer.
  • WhatYouTaughtMe
    WhatYouTaughtMe Posts: 4,957
    unsung said:
    Pumping kids full of drugs, yeah that's the answer.
    Is someone here advocating for that? Perhaps you could enlighten us with a solution? 
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    ^^^ really, unsung, where did that come from?  What did I miss?  Who suggested "pumping kids full of drugs"??

    Doesn't subject matter like this deserves a more thoughtful (or thought out) response?
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Nobody suggested it.  It was in response to the previous reply of which I did not quote.


  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    unsung said:
    Nobody suggested it.  It was in response to the previous reply of which I did not quote.


    I see, you were responding to RYMES "Cheer up Music" with "Pumping kids full of drugs, yeah that's the answer."  

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    I do believe that unsung did bring up an important point when we are talking with mental health and that is medication.  from talking with some doctors I know, they feel that medication can be good for kids but as a part of the process and not the only part of the process.  one issue that I see at work is that many people will take the medication but will not follow up with the other things that doctor are also saying to them for example, psychotherapy.  
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    edited July 2017
    fife said:
    I do believe that unsung did bring up an important point when we are talking with mental health and that is medication.  from talking with some doctors I know, they feel that medication can be good for kids but as a part of the process and not the only part of the process.  one issue that I see at work is that many people will take the medication but will not follow up with the other things that doctor are also saying to them for example, psychotherapy.  
    It's a very important issue.   How we talk about it is important as well (meaning I think you did so quite well, fife).
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    brianlux said:
    fife said:
    I do believe that unsung did bring up an important point when we are talking with mental health and that is medication.  from talking with some doctors I know, they feel that medication can be good for kids but as a part of the process and not the only part of the process.  one issue that I see at work is that many people will take the medication but will not follow up with the other things that doctor are also saying to them for example, psychotherapy.  
    It's a very important issue.   How we talk about it is important as well (meaning I think you did so quite well, fife).
    thanks Brian,
    also just wanted to say to people out there, ask questions to your doctors about any diagnoses that they have given.  i had to read the DSM-5 Manual and let me tell you its very easy to be misdiagnosed.  make sure that you go to multiple doctors also.  
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    Hey Hugh, i am sorry if i made this tread more about mental health in general as compared to your lost of a friend.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    edited July 2017
    It's been my experience that doctors really just aren't equipped to deal with mental illness properly. Most of them have no idea what medication or other course of action might be adequate. Psychiatrists should be doing it. Unfortunately, they are not reasonably accessible to the majority of people. The government needs to step up here and develop an initiative that increases public access to psychiatrists - actual medical doctors who specialize in mental illness. GPs and therapists are not an adequate support system, clearly. As for therapy and psychologists itself ... yeah, that can really help, and I agree that medication alone is rarely a complete answer. However, the qualifications for such positions are not monitored properly. It is WAY too easy to go see a supposedly qualified therapist or psychologist, and they are perfectly likely to be complete quacks or just plain old shitty at what they do, and there isn't really a good system for maintaining quality or standards in that context. At least doctors are subjected to more rigorous requirements.
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    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata

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