Russia's Influence On The American Election

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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,805
    mrussel1 said:
    JC29856 said:
    if you read the email chain that Jr released in order to beat the NYT to it, on June 3 Goldstone tells Jr, Emin has information on Hillary not the Russian lawyer (with ties to the Kremlin). also interesting is that in June, June 3rd, Jr along with everyone in the Trump campaign who is/are living and breathing to treasonously collude with Russia Russia Russia to subvert our elections says "later in the summer". when does summer officially begin? Jr was so anxious to get his hands on this treasonous collusionous info that on June 3rd he suggests "later in the summer".

    Last night on Hannity Jr made a point twice to say, Kushner immediately walked out when it was obvious there was no information forthcoming and Manafort was on the phone. Obvious attempts to provide cover for Kushner.
    You don't follow politics and campaigns very closely do you? "Late summer" may very well refer to the timing of the releasing of the "damaging" information on Hillary closer to the election so as to have the greatest polically damaging impact. Releasing the info in June would make it old news by October/November.

    Remember the altered campaign plank. A signal that Trump could deliver and would deliver more upon assuming office. Except for those damn emails and recorded phone conversations because, hey, who listens in on the Russian ambassadors phone conversations anyway?
    I love the defense that it's fine because the Russian had nothing to provide..  That seems to be the second angle that the Trump team is trying.  
    I guess they would be supportive of not prosecuting terrorists that were caught during the plot planning stage.  I mean, they hadn't committed the terrorism yet, right?  Seems a bit premature.  
    I think it's worth noting we are taking them on their word that there was no information given about Hillary. 

    Also worth noting: there was no mention anywhere in those emails about adoption, and Trump jr has already lied multiple times on the record about this meeting.                                                             
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    mrussel1 said:
    JC29856 said:
    if you read the email chain that Jr released in order to beat the NYT to it, on June 3 Goldstone tells Jr, Emin has information on Hillary not the Russian lawyer (with ties to the Kremlin). also interesting is that in June, June 3rd, Jr along with everyone in the Trump campaign who is/are living and breathing to treasonously collude with Russia Russia Russia to subvert our elections says "later in the summer". when does summer officially begin? Jr was so anxious to get his hands on this treasonous collusionous info that on June 3rd he suggests "later in the summer".

    Last night on Hannity Jr made a point twice to say, Kushner immediately walked out when it was obvious there was no information forthcoming and Manafort was on the phone. Obvious attempts to provide cover for Kushner.
    You don't follow politics and campaigns very closely do you? "Late summer" may very well refer to the timing of the releasing of the "damaging" information on Hillary closer to the election so as to have the greatest polically damaging impact. Releasing the info in June would make it old news by October/November.

    Remember the altered campaign plank. A signal that Trump could deliver and would deliver more upon assuming office. Except for those damn emails and recorded phone conversations because, hey, who listens in on the Russian ambassadors phone conversations anyway?
    I love the defense that it's fine because the Russian had nothing to provide..  That seems to be the second angle that the Trump team is trying.  
    I guess they would be supportive of not prosecuting terrorists that were caught during the plot planning stage.  I mean, they hadn't committed the terrorism yet, right?  Seems a bit premature.  
    I'm also seeing the defense that she was here on an expired visa, that she met with Russian ambassador, met with senior Obama WH officials, posted pictures from McPastey office, attended anti trump rally and her social media timeline is not at all favorable to trump.
    its only going to get uglier! intriguing to say the least.
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Is anyone else waiting for a mruss special newsflash on dirt on political opponents?
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,317
    JC29856 said:
    Is anyone else waiting for a mruss special newsflash on dirt on political opponents?
    No, we're all breathlessly awaiting a Podesta email referencing Comet Pizza.
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  • Merkin Baller
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    JC29856 said:
    Is anyone else waiting for a mruss special newsflash on dirt on political opponents?
    No, we're all breathlessly awaiting a Podesta email referencing Comet Pizza.
    It's all anyone is talking about. 
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Chris Cuomo saying Jr meeting didn't break any laws but was 100% irresponsible...I wouldn't put too much stock in what he says since he did utter these words regarding Podesta's emails "remember it's illegal to possess these stolen documents, it's different for the media....."
    interesting exchange none the less.

    https://youtu.be/zHxMLzE9ms0
  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,855
    so now, its not fake news?
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    JC29856 said:
    if you read the email chain that Jr released in order to beat the NYT to it, on June 3 Goldstone tells Jr, Emin has information on Hillary not the Russian lawyer (with ties to the Kremlin). also interesting is that in June, June 3rd, Jr along with everyone in the Trump campaign who is/are living and breathing to treasonously collude with Russia Russia Russia to subvert our elections says "later in the summer". when does summer officially begin? Jr was so anxious to get his hands on this treasonous collusionous info that on June 3rd he suggests "later in the summer".

    Last night on Hannity Jr made a point twice to say, Kushner immediately walked out when it was obvious there was no information forthcoming and Manafort was on the phone. Obvious attempts to provide cover for Kushner.


    haha

    "Last night on Hannity Jr. made a point..."


    First off--of COURSE this guy watches Hannity.

    Secondly---neither Hannity nor Jr has any credibility at this point.


    Geez.

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  • mrussel1
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    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JC29856 said:
    if you read the email chain that Jr released in order to beat the NYT to it, on June 3 Goldstone tells Jr, Emin has information on Hillary not the Russian lawyer (with ties to the Kremlin). also interesting is that in June, June 3rd, Jr along with everyone in the Trump campaign who is/are living and breathing to treasonously collude with Russia Russia Russia to subvert our elections says "later in the summer". when does summer officially begin? Jr was so anxious to get his hands on this treasonous collusionous info that on June 3rd he suggests "later in the summer".

    Last night on Hannity Jr made a point twice to say, Kushner immediately walked out when it was obvious there was no information forthcoming and Manafort was on the phone. Obvious attempts to provide cover for Kushner.
    You don't follow politics and campaigns very closely do you? "Late summer" may very well refer to the timing of the releasing of the "damaging" information on Hillary closer to the election so as to have the greatest polically damaging impact. Releasing the info in June would make it old news by October/November.

    Remember the altered campaign plank. A signal that Trump could deliver and would deliver more upon assuming office. Except for those damn emails and recorded phone conversations because, hey, who listens in on the Russian ambassadors phone conversations anyway?
    I love the defense that it's fine because the Russian had nothing to provide..  That seems to be the second angle that the Trump team is trying.  
    I guess they would be supportive of not prosecuting terrorists that were caught during the plot planning stage.  I mean, they hadn't committed the terrorism yet, right?  Seems a bit premature.  
    I'm also seeing the defense that she was here on an expired visa, that she met with Russian ambassador, met with senior Obama WH officials, posted pictures from McPastey office, attended anti trump rally and her social media timeline is not at all favorable to trump.
    its only going to get uglier! intriguing to say the least.
    The lawyer means NOTHING.  That's what you seem to be missing.  He went to the meeting, bringing along his fellow idiots, with the understanding that a foreign adversarial government that supported his father's candidacy (according to the email) was willing to provide dirt.  Trying to hurt the credibility of the lawyer in no way improves Trump jr's case..
    IT WAS THE LAWYER...

  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    Nice job Lindsey!  Sad that it was that difficult to extract that answer.  Looks like we may have someone that swore fealty to Trump in the job though..
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    mrussel1 said:
    JC29856 said:
    if you read the email chain that Jr released in order to beat the NYT to it, on June 3 Goldstone tells Jr, Emin has information on Hillary not the Russian lawyer (with ties to the Kremlin). also interesting is that in June, June 3rd, Jr along with everyone in the Trump campaign who is/are living and breathing to treasonously collude with Russia Russia Russia to subvert our elections says "later in the summer". when does summer officially begin? Jr was so anxious to get his hands on this treasonous collusionous info that on June 3rd he suggests "later in the summer".

    Last night on Hannity Jr made a point twice to say, Kushner immediately walked out when it was obvious there was no information forthcoming and Manafort was on the phone. Obvious attempts to provide cover for Kushner.
    You don't follow politics and campaigns very closely do you? "Late summer" may very well refer to the timing of the releasing of the "damaging" information on Hillary closer to the election so as to have the greatest polically damaging impact. Releasing the info in June would make it old news by October/November.

    Remember the altered campaign plank. A signal that Trump could deliver and would deliver more upon assuming office. Except for those damn emails and recorded phone conversations because, hey, who listens in on the Russian ambassadors phone conversations anyway?
    I love the defense that it's fine because the Russian had nothing to provide..  That seems to be the second angle that the Trump team is trying.  
    I guess they would be supportive of not prosecuting terrorists that were caught during the plot planning stage.  I mean, they hadn't committed the terrorism yet, right?  Seems a bit premature.  
    I think it's worth noting we are taking them on their word that there was no information given about Hillary. 

    Also worth noting: there was no mention anywhere in those emails about adoption, and Trump jr has already lied multiple times on the record about this meeting.                                                             
    Absolutely.  Have you guys seen the speeches and tweets that Trump put out in the couple of days after that meeting?  He was alluding to information forthcoming...
  • Bentleyspop
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    mrussel1 said:
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JC29856 said:
    if you read the email chain that Jr released in order to beat the NYT to it, on June 3 Goldstone tells Jr, Emin has information on Hillary not the Russian lawyer (with ties to the Kremlin). also interesting is that in June, June 3rd, Jr along with everyone in the Trump campaign who is/are living and breathing to treasonously collude with Russia Russia Russia to subvert our elections says "later in the summer". when does summer officially begin? Jr was so anxious to get his hands on this treasonous collusionous info that on June 3rd he suggests "later in the summer".

    Last night on Hannity Jr made a point twice to say, Kushner immediately walked out when it was obvious there was no information forthcoming and Manafort was on the phone. Obvious attempts to provide cover for Kushner.
    You don't follow politics and campaigns very closely do you? "Late summer" may very well refer to the timing of the releasing of the "damaging" information on Hillary closer to the election so as to have the greatest polically damaging impact. Releasing the info in June would make it old news by October/November.

    Remember the altered campaign plank. A signal that Trump could deliver and would deliver more upon assuming office. Except for those damn emails and recorded phone conversations because, hey, who listens in on the Russian ambassadors phone conversations anyway?
    I love the defense that it's fine because the Russian had nothing to provide..  That seems to be the second angle that the Trump team is trying.  
    I guess they would be supportive of not prosecuting terrorists that were caught during the plot planning stage.  I mean, they hadn't committed the terrorism yet, right?  Seems a bit premature.  
    I'm also seeing the defense that she was here on an expired visa, that she met with Russian ambassador, met with senior Obama WH officials, posted pictures from McPastey office, attended anti trump rally and her social media timeline is not at all favorable to trump.
    its only going to get uglier! intriguing to say the least.
    The lawyer means NOTHING.  That's what you seem to be missing.  He went to the meeting, bringing along his fellow idiots, with the understanding that a foreign adversarial government that supported his father's candidacy (according to the email) was willing to provide dirt.  Trying to hurt the credibility of the lawyer in no way improves Trump jr's case..
    IT WAS THE LAWYER...

    Nice Keyser Soze  reference
  • stuckinline
    stuckinline Posts: 3,406

    A handful of Republican operatives close to the White House are scrambling to Trump Jr.’s defense and have begun what could be an extensive campaign to try to discredit some of the journalists who have been reporting on the matter.

    Their plan, as one member of the team described it, is to research the reporters’ previous work, in some cases going back years, and to exploit any mistakes or perceived biases. They intend to demand corrections, trumpet errors on social media and feed them to conservative outlets, such as Fox News.


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-attacks-media_us_59661275e4b03f144e2f568a?5np&ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,838

    A handful of Republican operatives close to the White House are scrambling to Trump Jr.’s defense and have begun what could be an extensive campaign to try to discredit some of the journalists who have been reporting on the matter.

    Their plan, as one member of the team described it, is to research the reporters’ previous work, in some cases going back years, and to exploit any mistakes or perceived biases. They intend to demand corrections, trumpet errors on social media and feed them to conservative outlets, such as Fox News.


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-attacks-media_us_59661275e4b03f144e2f568a?5np&ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

    It's the plan I'd try and follow.  And it will divert some people's attention.  Because unfortunately people are unable to see that things can happen and not actually effect the other.  The reporter had to make mistakes at some point....the reporter is human correct?  Maybe the NYT should look into the past of the operatives and find all the times they have lied to discredit their discrediting.

    Tired of people.
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  • mrussel1 said:
    Nice job Lindsey!  Sad that it was that difficult to extract that answer.  Looks like we may have someone that swore fealty to Trump in the job though..
    He tried like mad to be evasive, but he wasn't let off the hook. It was great.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,317

    In case you're missing those brilliantly disappearing headlines. Do these guys think that literally no one can look at the facts or review the past? Oh yea, they and their supporters do.

    HANNITY: He sends you this email. … This is the one that says, the crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father, meaning Emin’s father, and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with documents, it’s information that could incriminate Hillary Clinton, etc. Obviously highly sensitive information. But it’s part of Russia and its government’s support of Mr. Trump. And they ask the best way to handle this.

    This email comes in. What are you thinking?

    TRUMP JR.: Honestly, my takeaway when all of this is going on? Someone has information on our opponent. You know. Things are going a million miles an hour. You know what it’s like to be on a campaign. We’d just won Indiana but we’re talking about a contested convention. Things are going a million miles an hour again. And, hey, wait a minute. I’ve heard about all these things, but maybe this is something. I should hear him out.

    There’s a key point here that Trump revisits throughout the race: This was a tumultuous moment, he implies, and he has less bandwidth than normal to parse what’s being presented to him.

    For example, he says, “we’d just won Indiana” — suggesting that this was the moment at which anti-Trump forces were at their apex, hoping to block Trump from the nomination. But, in fact, the Indiana primary was a month before the first email sent by Goldstone offering to connect Trump to the Russians. A month was a very long time in 2016, as you may recall. What’s more, nearly two weeks before that first email, the Associated Press reported that Trump had clinched the Republican Party nomination by securing unpledged delegate commitments for the convention. Two days before the meeting, he made it official, winning the California and New Jersey primaries and giving him clearly enough delegates to be the nominee.

    In other words, this was likely a moment of relative calm for a campaign that had been pressing hard since the previous June.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/07/12/assessing-how-open-and-transparent-donald-trump-jr-was-in-his-hannity-appearance/?utm_term=.45e3728f623c&wpisrc=nl_most-draw10&wpmm=1


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  • tbergs
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    mrussel1 said:
    Nice job Lindsey!  Sad that it was that difficult to extract that answer.  Looks like we may have someone that swore fealty to Trump in the job though..
    He tried like mad to be evasive, but he wasn't let off the hook. It was great.
    Wow, Wray is probably the biggest weasel I've ever seen nominated for FBI director. That guy clearly has no spine and seems clueless. Loyalty secured Trump. This guy looks like someone who would take Russian hookers as payment or offer some serious quid pro quo to any sleaze willing to deal.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    I bet Jr. wishes the fake news would stop putting words in his mouth, huh?
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    House Democrats want to know why a major Russian money-laundering case was abruptly settled

    http://www.businessinsider.com/why-was-russian-money-laundering-case-dismissed-house-dems-2017-7