Russia's Influence On The American Election

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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,142
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    maybe I'm new to this...but how is this treasonous? using information against your opponent, gathered from whomever, is not treason. treason is going against your own country. this is all, so far, just for personal political gain. unless it can be proven that russia somehow benefited from this exchange directly from the trump admin, which we have seen no evidence of yet, this is just a "gift". however, it does show how much this admin has lied through their stinking teeth this whole time.  

    if hillary's campaign had been offered and received the PTAPE and released it, would that have been considered treason?

    or just awesome?
    Awesome! But if Hillary's campaign agreed to lift sanctions or allow for mutually lucrative business deals between say Exxon Mobil and Russia after taking the oath of office in exchange for the PTAPE, then you have a conspiracy. And there'd be 14 congressional investigations and calls to impeach and lock her up.
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    edited July 2017
    Let me say this... I don't give a shit about legal definitions... I know we aren't at war with russia, technically, therefore they are not technically "an enemy"... 

    What I say is when you actively work with a foreign government to influence my presidential election... then that is some treasonous shit... especially when it is the Putin regime you are coordinating with...

    I also don't take this info in a vacuum without context... do we honestly think this was the extent of collaboration with Russia? do we really think there was no quid pro quo? Flynn lied about meeting with Russians... Jared lied about meeting with Russians... Sessions lied about meeting with Russians... Donald Jr lied about meeting with the Russians... Manafort lied about meeting with the Russians... Page lied about meeting with the Russians... and now we have PROOF of a meeting and attempted collaboration at a minimum

    It is all a treasonous pile of shit if you ask me, with the orange turd on top of the pile

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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    And lets not forget that campaign manager Paul Manafort and Jared boy attended the meeting as well

    I love Wikileaks 
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    Fox news is pushing the official response... political naivety....

    Sorry America... we're just newbies.  As if ignorance of the law is a defense. 


  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Putin wanted a certain outcome in our election... doesn't matter the reasoning... these guys collaborated with him to influence the election and create that outcome... the fact the Trump team were set to gain from this only compounds this problem...

    If Cheslea Manning was sent to prison and Edward Snowden has to live in exile then these scumbags should all be serving time
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    mrussel1 said:
    Fox news is pushing the official response... political naivety....

    Sorry America... we're just newbies.  As if ignorance of the law is a defense. 


    Except Paul Manafort has worked on several presidential campaigns and was the active campaign manager when he attended the meeting

    Lol
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    Shouldn't America now be focused more on strengthening the electoral process to prevent this type of thing from happening again rather than just talking about what they think happened?

  • The Juggler
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    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    Shouldn't America now be focused more on strengthening the electoral process to prevent this type of thing from happening again rather than just talking about what they think happened?

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  • mrussel1
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    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    Shouldn't America now be focused more on strengthening the electoral process to prevent this type of thing from happening again rather than just talking about what they think happened?

    You're right.  For example, when someone robs a bank, I don't think we should prosecute that person.  It's indicative of a lax security system.  We should probably thank them actually.  

    Thanks Mr. Trump!
  • mfc2006
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    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    Shouldn't America now be focused more on strengthening the electoral process to prevent this type of thing from happening again rather than just talking about what they think happened?

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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,142
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    Shouldn't America now be focused more on strengthening the electoral process to prevent this type of thing from happening again rather than just talking about what they think happened?

    If we were Canada. Or Europe. Or a second tier used to be third world country trying to get better. But we'e 'meruca. We're number 1, we're number 1, we're number 1. USA USA USA!
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  • The Juggler
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    mrussel1 said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    Shouldn't America now be focused more on strengthening the electoral process to prevent this type of thing from happening again rather than just talking about what they think happened?

    You're right.  For example, when someone robs a bank, I don't think we should prosecute that person.  It's indicative of a lax security system.  We should probably thank them actually.  

    Thanks Mr. Trump!

    Thanking him isn't enough. We should work with the robber and form a joint robbery task force to ensure robberies never occur again. MAGA!!!!
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    The Juggler said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    Shouldn't America now be focused more on strengthening the electoral process to prevent this type of thing from happening again rather than just talking about what they think happened?

    You're right.  For example, when someone robs a bank, I don't think we should prosecute that person.  It's indicative of a lax security system.  We should probably thank them actually.  

    Thanks Mr. Trump!

    Thanking him isn't enough. We should work with the robber and form a joint robbery task force to ensure robberies never occur again. MAGA!!!!
    Ha!  Even better!
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    Sure...... it's believable to think Trump didn't know about this meeting at all. 

    https://twitter.com/yashar/status/884900796957171712
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    Jared Kushner failed to report (at least) 3 meetings w/ Kremlin connected foreign nationals from his security clearance disclosures. 

    I wonder why? 
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,142
    Merkin Baller said:
    Jared Kushner failed to report (at least) 3 meetings w/ Kremlin connected foreign nationals from his security clearance disclosures. 

    I wonder why? 
    He likes the friendly confines of a 6'X9' having visited his dad, who was put there by none other than beached whale Jesus Christ christy. This administration is over flowing with irony.
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  • JC29856
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    The Juggler said:
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    josevolution said:
    JC29856 said:
    josevolution said:
    How a Pageant Led to a Trump Son’s Meeting With a Russian Lawyer - The New York Times
    https://apple.news/ATlRbp6W6Qq-mBS_7g74JOw

    So is The NY Times fake news too ? 

    its no coincidence that Trump Russia collusion and Russia election rigging was proven on Amazon prime day.
    Is The NY Times fake news ? 
    I'm not sure what fake news is but I'm certain the organization NYT,is not fake news.
    Wait until you see the email that the anonymous sources viewed! Coming soon
    Jr released the email chain! COLLUSION 101

    Because he knew the NYT was about to release them...
    your theory of NYT releasing the emails seems off, any other theories why Jr released?

    https://www.cjr.org/q_and_a/jared-yates-sexton-trump-jr-tweets-russia-qa.php

    How close were you to publishing before Trump Jr. tweeted the emails?

    I was a ways off. This was a thing that felt like it was going to go on for the rest of the time Donald Trump was in office. I have book coming out that touches on the beginnings of it, though. It was one of those things where you put in the calls, you get told no on stuff, and you just hope Bob Mueller finds something, or The New York Times or The Washington Post, who have done amazing things on this stuff. The investigation of this, especially when you’re not at a big house, it feels like a hobby. It feels like being a HAM Radio operator in your basement. It’s something I did for a year, and to just have it land in the lap of the American public is bizarre.

  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    maybe I'm new to this...but how is this treasonous? using information against your opponent, gathered from whomever, is not treason. treason is going against your own country. this is all, so far, just for personal political gain. unless it can be proven that russia somehow benefited from this exchange directly from the trump admin, which we have seen no evidence of yet, this is just a "gift". however, it does show how much this admin has lied through their stinking teeth this whole time.  

    if hillary's campaign had been offered and received the PTAPE and released it, would that have been considered treason?

    or just awesome?
    If a foreign power provided the tape to the campaign, and the campaign knew the origin and released it (vs going to the FBI with the information), then yes they would be in the exact position DJT sits right now.  

    Whether it's treason or not would be decided by the prosecutor and then jury.  From what we know so far, that's a hyperbolic word I would say.  It's certainly very UnAmerican and probably a violation of campaign finance laws to say the least.  And those are felonies.  
    Which campaign finance laws were violated?
  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    edited July 2017
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    We are past the point of innocent explanations on Trump and Russia

    Imagine if the Clintons had done what the Trumps did on Russia.

    Updated by Ezra Klein@ezraklein Jul 11, 2017, 11:41am EDT

    Imagine Chelsea Clinton had taken Bill Clinton and campaign chair John Podesta to a meeting set up by a Chinese government intermediary who claimed to have damaging information about Donald Trump’s tax returns and said over email they were willing to share the information in a bid to defeat Trump. Imagine emails emerged in which Chelsea, Bill and Podesta were all told the meeting was with a lawyer for the Chinese government and “is part of China and its government’s support for Ms. Clinton.”

    Imagine this information came out mere weeks after stories revealing a major Democratic funder, acting on the behest of prospective National Security Adviser Susan Rice, had been trying to work with Chinese hackers to steal copies of Trump’s tax returns.

    Imagine, during all of this, that Hillary Clinton herself had gotten on a stage and begged the Chinese government to release Trump’s tax returns. “China, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the tax returns,” Clinton said in Florida. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”

    Imagine that these stories were not isolated. They came alongside dozens of strange meetings between Clinton campaign aides and Chinese staffers — contacts left off security clearance forms and “forgotten” during sworn congressional testimony — and were buttressed by Clinton herself lurching toward a strangely pro-China policy and an unusual, and repeatedly articulated, affection for China’s leader.




  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Smellyman said:
    Link


    We are past the point of innocent explanations on Trump and Russia

    Imagine if the Clintons had done what the Trumps did on Russia.

    Updated by Ezra Klein@ezraklein Jul 11, 2017, 11:41am EDT

    Imagine Chelsea Clinton had taken Bill Clinton and campaign chair John Podesta to a meeting set up by a Chinese government intermediary who claimed to have damaging information about Donald Trump’s tax returns and said over email they were willing to share the information in a bid to defeat Trump. Imagine emails emerged in which Chelsea, Bill and Podesta were all told the meeting was with a lawyer for the Chinese government and “is part of China and its government’s support for Ms. Clinton.”

    Imagine this information came out mere weeks after stories revealing a major Democratic funder, acting on the behest of prospective National Security Adviser Susan Rice, had been trying to work with Chinese hackers to steal copies of Trump’s tax returns.

    Imagine, during all of this, that Hillary Clinton herself had gotten on a stage and begged the Chinese government to release Trump’s tax returns. “China, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the tax returns,” Clinton said in Florida. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”

    Imagine that these stories were not isolated. They came alongside dozens of strange meetings between Clinton campaign aides and Chinese staffers — contacts left off security clearance forms and “forgotten” during sworn congressional testimony — and were buttressed by Clinton herself lurching toward a strangely pro-China policy and an unusual, and repeatedly articulated, affection for China’s leader.





    good question my guess...I'm guessing there would be an investigation and in the face of mountains of evidence the justice department would rule that laws were broken but there was "no intent" of criminality, therefore no prosecution.

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