Russia's Influence On The American Election

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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617

    Hillary Clinton's former running mate, Sen. Tim Kaine, said Donald Trump Jr. may have committed treason when he agreed to meet with a Russian lawyer under the pretense of getting dirt on Clinton.

    "We are now beyond obstruction of justice," the Virginia Democrat told CNN Tuesday. "This is moving into perjury, false statements and even potentially treason."

    Tim Kaine has a law degree from Harvard!

    "moving into" perjury, false statements

    "potentially" treason

    Once Jr is convicted on all three counts, Sr will pardon him.


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    Lol


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  • The Juggler
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    JC29856 said:

    Hillary Clinton's former running mate, Sen. Tim Kaine, said Donald Trump Jr. may have committed treason when he agreed to meet with a Russian lawyer under the pretense of getting dirt on Clinton.

    "We are now beyond obstruction of justice," the Virginia Democrat told CNN Tuesday. "This is moving into perjury, false statements and even potentially treason."

    Tim Kaine has a law degree from Harvard!

    "moving into" perjury, false statements

    "potentially" treason

    Once Jr is convicted on all three counts, Sr will pardon him.



    Kushner lied on his disclosures about meeting with any Russians. I suspect Kain was talking about him since DonJ isn't in the campaign.


    And it's probably best to cite where you get your quotes from to provide some context. Thanks.

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    The Juggler said:
    JC29856 said:

    Hillary Clinton's former running mate, Sen. Tim Kaine, said Donald Trump Jr. may have committed treason when he agreed to meet with a Russian lawyer under the pretense of getting dirt on Clinton.

    "We are now beyond obstruction of justice," the Virginia Democrat told CNN Tuesday. "This is moving into perjury, false statements and even potentially treason."

    Tim Kaine has a law degree from Harvard!

    "moving into" perjury, false statements

    "potentially" treason

    Once Jr is convicted on all three counts, Sr will pardon him.



    Kushner lied on his disclosures about meeting with any Russians. I suspect Kain was talking about him since DonJ isn't in the campaign.


    And it's probably best to cite where you get your quotes from to provide some context. Thanks.

    As did Flynn and Sessions. The firing of Comey looks a little more nefarious now doesn't it? And Preet Bahara's as well if you know who and what he was involved with investigating. Anyone want to connect the dot between Preet Bahara and the Russian lawyer that met with Jr., Manafort and Kushner? Connecting dots is fun.
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  • The Juggler
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    The Juggler said:
    JC29856 said:

    Hillary Clinton's former running mate, Sen. Tim Kaine, said Donald Trump Jr. may have committed treason when he agreed to meet with a Russian lawyer under the pretense of getting dirt on Clinton.

    "We are now beyond obstruction of justice," the Virginia Democrat told CNN Tuesday. "This is moving into perjury, false statements and even potentially treason."

    Tim Kaine has a law degree from Harvard!

    "moving into" perjury, false statements

    "potentially" treason

    Once Jr is convicted on all three counts, Sr will pardon him.



    Kushner lied on his disclosures about meeting with any Russians. I suspect Kain was talking about him since DonJ isn't in the campaign.


    And it's probably best to cite where you get your quotes from to provide some context. Thanks.

    As did Flynn and Sessions. The firing of Comey looks a little more nefarious now doesn't it? And Preet Bahara's as well if you know who and what he was involved with investigating. Anyone want to connect the dot between Preet Bahara and the Russian lawyer that met with Jr., Manafort and Kushner? Connecting dots is fun.

    Bahara is a great follow on twitter.
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  • cincybearcat
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    How does Tim Kaine get to treason based on those emails?

    This is part of the problem, always jumping to worst case for everything makes you the boy who cried wolf.

    This is bad news for trump jr and trump, but this isn't treason. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    cincybearcat said:
    How does Tim Kaine get to treason based on those emails?

    This is part of the problem, always jumping to worst case for everything makes you the boy who cried wolf.

    This is bad news for trump jr and trump, but this isn't treason. 
    Depends on what the quid pro quo was. Remember that republican platform plank that was revised? 
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  • my2hands
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    edited July 2017
    Actively working with a foreign power to subvert and influence the US Presidential Election is pretty damn treasonous if you ask me
  • OnWis97
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    edited July 2017
    cincybearcat said:
    How does Tim Kaine get to treason based on those emails?

    This is part of the problem, always jumping to worst case for everything makes you the boy who cried wolf.

    This is bad news for trump jr and trump, but this isn't treason. 
    It's not even bad news for them.  Nobody cares.  The supporters see it as a deflection and "not letting him do his job."  The middle is numb.  Those who do care don't need more convincing.
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  • JC29856
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    my2hands said:
    Actively working with a foreign power to subvert and influence the US Presidential Election is pretty damn treasonous if you ask me
    let's clarify what you're putting forth...
    accepting a single meeting with a Russian attorney (let's assume she is Putin's personal attorney) at the request of a friend for opposition dirt is actively working with a foreign power to subvert and influence the us presidential election?
    is Ukraine considered a "foreign power"?
  • The Juggler
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    JC29856 said:
    my2hands said:
    Actively working with a foreign power to subvert and influence the US Presidential Election is pretty damn treasonous if you ask me
    let's clarify what you're putting forth...
    accepting a single meeting with a Russian attorney (let's assume she is Putin's personal attorney) at the request of a friend for opposition dirt is actively working with a foreign power to subvert and influence the us presidential election?
    is Ukraine considered a "foreign power"?

    How do you know it is a single meeting? And it's not just "dirt." Email says Russian Gov was wanting to assist the campaign. This is probably tip of the iceberg stuff.


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  • cincybearcat
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    my2hands said:
    Actively working with a foreign power to subvert and influence the US Presidential Election is pretty damn treasonous if you ask me
    Perhaps....I dont think so,but I'm not a lawyer and I didnt even stay at a Holiday inn last night.

    But I really doubt it gets to that.  I've been wrong before....I thought Trump wouldn't win the GOP nomination....or the election....so my track record on this guy sucks.
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  • Merkin Baller
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    Thoughts & prayers for those who are struggling to understand. 
  • The Juggler
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    "Russia and it's government's support for Mr. Trump."


    "I love it."


    haha

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    "We're seeing money pouring in from Russia."
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    The Juggler said:
    JC29856 said:
    my2hands said:
    Actively working with a foreign power to subvert and influence the US Presidential Election is pretty damn treasonous if you ask me
    let's clarify what you're putting forth...
    accepting a single meeting with a Russian attorney (let's assume she is Putin's personal attorney) at the request of a friend for opposition dirt is actively working with a foreign power to subvert and influence the us presidential election?
    is Ukraine considered a "foreign power"?

    How do you know it is a single meeting? And it's not just "dirt." Email says Russian Gov was wanting to assist the campaign. This is probably tip of the iceberg stuff.


    are there reports of more than one meeting? I'm going off of the nyt story and those that are involved, I assumed others were too.
  • JC29856
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    https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2017/7/11/15953476/donald-trump-jr-russia-collusion-campaign-emails

    If Trump knew of the collusion with Russia, this scandal would be bigger than Watergate.

  • Halifax2TheMax
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    JC29856 said:
    my2hands said:
    Actively working with a foreign power to subvert and influence the US Presidential Election is pretty damn treasonous if you ask me
    let's clarify what you're putting forth...
    accepting a single meeting with a Russian attorney (let's assume she is Putin's personal attorney) at the request of a friend for opposition dirt is actively working with a foreign power to subvert and influence the us presidential election?
    is Ukraine considered a "foreign power"?
    You're selectively or electively forgetting all the other threads of this tangled web. Evidence of absence is not absence of evidence. Context is everything.
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  • The Juggler
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    JC29856 said:
    The Juggler said:
    JC29856 said:
    my2hands said:
    Actively working with a foreign power to subvert and influence the US Presidential Election is pretty damn treasonous if you ask me
    let's clarify what you're putting forth...
    accepting a single meeting with a Russian attorney (let's assume she is Putin's personal attorney) at the request of a friend for opposition dirt is actively working with a foreign power to subvert and influence the us presidential election?
    is Ukraine considered a "foreign power"?

    How do you know it is a single meeting? And it's not just "dirt." Email says Russian Gov was wanting to assist the campaign. This is probably tip of the iceberg stuff.


    are there reports of more than one meeting? I'm going off of the nyt story and those that are involved, I assumed others were too.

    Not yet....but I would be surprised if more did not happen. None of these Trump people have any shred of credibility at this point. The "fake news" keeps diming them out....
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Session "forgot" to disclose that he met with the Russian ambassador. Can you connect the dots between the Russian ambassador and the Russian lawyer who met with Jr.? Connecting dots is fun.
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