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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,408
    PJ_Soul said:
    What's throwing me off is the fact that the description changed dramatically AFTER it was available for purchase. I mean, I would have bought it either way, but that whole part about how there are a ton of boots out there so they are releasing this, and how the missing tracks would be included on the vinyl was the most important part of the item description! I read it and immediately went and purchased it. Then an hour later I come back to find that all of that info was incorrect and deleted. As I say, I would have bought it anyway, since I'm not about to have an incomplete Vault series (besides 1 and 2, AHEM!! ;) ), but nevertheless, I feel disappointed that the complete show on vinyl was "cancelled" like that after I got excited about it and ordered. I guess there was some miscommunication at 10C or whatever. :frowning:  Ooohhh weeellll. (I wonder why they took out the part about the illegal boot problem? I enjoyed that they mentioned that issue, and that they are being open about it!).
    Interesting to hear about this. Have you contacted anyone for clarification? I would have been a bit pissed if it had stated they were going to be on vinyl and then later that was changed after I ordered.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • rrebern
    rrebern Chicago Posts: 89
    Yeah great show and all, (literal) bootleg CD widely circulated already... yada yada..  but for fu*k's sake give us Wrigley already!
  • pjsteelerfan
    pjsteelerfan Maryland Posts: 9,905
    tbergs said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    What's throwing me off is the fact that the description changed dramatically AFTER it was available for purchase. I mean, I would have bought it either way, but that whole part about how there are a ton of boots out there so they are releasing this, and how the missing tracks would be included on the vinyl was the most important part of the item description! I read it and immediately went and purchased it. Then an hour later I come back to find that all of that info was incorrect and deleted. As I say, I would have bought it anyway, since I'm not about to have an incomplete Vault series (besides 1 and 2, AHEM!! ;) ), but nevertheless, I feel disappointed that the complete show on vinyl was "cancelled" like that after I got excited about it and ordered. I guess there was some miscommunication at 10C or whatever. :frowning:  Ooohhh weeellll. (I wonder why they took out the part about the illegal boot problem? I enjoyed that they mentioned that issue, and that they are being open about it!).
    Interesting to hear about this. Have you contacted anyone for clarification? I would have been a bit pissed if it had stated they were going to be on vinyl and then later that was changed after I ordered.
    I bought it just after it went live, and the description now is the same as when I bough it. 
    ...got a mind full of questions and a teacher in my soul...
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    edited July 2017
    tbergs said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    What's throwing me off is the fact that the description changed dramatically AFTER it was available for purchase. I mean, I would have bought it either way, but that whole part about how there are a ton of boots out there so they are releasing this, and how the missing tracks would be included on the vinyl was the most important part of the item description! I read it and immediately went and purchased it. Then an hour later I come back to find that all of that info was incorrect and deleted. As I say, I would have bought it anyway, since I'm not about to have an incomplete Vault series (besides 1 and 2, AHEM!! ;) ), but nevertheless, I feel disappointed that the complete show on vinyl was "cancelled" like that after I got excited about it and ordered. I guess there was some miscommunication at 10C or whatever. :frowning:  Ooohhh weeellll. (I wonder why they took out the part about the illegal boot problem? I enjoyed that they mentioned that issue, and that they are being open about it!).
    Interesting to hear about this. Have you contacted anyone for clarification? I would have been a bit pissed if it had stated they were going to be on vinyl and then later that was changed after I ordered.
    No, I haven't contacted anyone... I'm thinking maybe Santos might read this thread, since it's his, so perhaps he'll say something, but I doubt it. Either way, yes, it's disappointing to get excited about something and then find out later it's been taken away/never existed, but since I have no intention of cancelling the order, and since I would have ordered it if they'd never said any of that in the first place, I figure contacting 10C and complaining or asking for clarification directly would be pretty pointless. It is now extremely clear that the extra tracks won't be on the vinyl after all. They obviously know they posted incorrect info, which is why they removed it. It's just an "OOPS" moment I guess.
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  • erocshifty
    erocshifty Posts: 1,170
    Damn, just saw that cd/digital won't be available until the vinyl ships. Didn't see that initially. 
    "It's best to live in grace before you're forced to." EV- 10/09/2014 
  • RP112579
    RP112579 Tinley Park, IL Posts: 3,388
    pjsteelerfan said:
    tbergs said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    What's throwing me off is the fact that the description changed dramatically AFTER it was available for purchase. I mean, I would have bought it either way, but that whole part about how there are a ton of boots out there so they are releasing this, and how the missing tracks would be included on the vinyl was the most important part of the item description! I read it and immediately went and purchased it. Then an hour later I come back to find that all of that info was incorrect and deleted. As I say, I would have bought it anyway, since I'm not about to have an incomplete Vault series (besides 1 and 2, AHEM!! ;) ), but nevertheless, I feel disappointed that the complete show on vinyl was "cancelled" like that after I got excited about it and ordered. I guess there was some miscommunication at 10C or whatever. :frowning:  Ooohhh weeellll. (I wonder why they took out the part about the illegal boot problem? I enjoyed that they mentioned that issue, and that they are being open about it!).
    Interesting to hear about this. Have you contacted anyone for clarification? I would have been a bit pissed if it had stated they were going to be on vinyl and then later that was changed after I ordered.
    I bought it just after it went live, and the description now is the same as when I bough it. 
    Yep. It's exactly the same as it was when I read it after it first went up. 
    6/29/98 Chicago-United Center
    6/18/03 Chicago-United Center
    5/17/06 Chicago-United Center
    7/19/13 Chicago-Wrigley Field
    10/11/13 Pittsburgh-Consol Energy Center
    10/17/14 Moline-IWireless Center (No Code)
    10/20/14 Milwaukee-Bradley center (Yield)
    4/26/16 Lexington-Rupp Arena
    8/20/16 Chicago-Wrigley Field
    8/22/16 Chicago-Wrigley Field
    8/18/18 Chicago-Wrigley Field
    8/20/18 Chicago-Wrigley Field
    9/5/23 Chicago-United Center
    9/7/23 Chicago-United Center
    8/29/23 Chicago-Wrigley Field
    8/31/23 Chicago-Wrigley Field
  • wecrazybob
    wecrazybob Posts: 1,027
    Can any one clarify EXACTLY which tracks will NOT be on the vinyl?
    Toledo, Oh 09-22-96, Chicago, Illinois 06-29-98, Portland, Oregon 07-18-98, Vancouver, British Columbia 07-19-98, Seattle 07-21-98, Seattle 07-22-98, Noblesville, Indiana 08-17-98, East Lansing, Michigan 08-18-98, Barrie, Ontario 08-22-98, Auburn Hills, Michigan 08-23-98, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 08-25-98, Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio 08-26-98, Camden, Camden, New Jersey 08-28-98 Camden, New Jersey 08-29-98,Knoxville, Tennessee 09-06-98, Columbia, Maryland 09-18-98,Mountain View, California 10-30-99,Mountain View, California 10-31-99, Virginia Beach, Virginia 08-03-00,Charlotte, North Carolina 08-04-00,Greensboro, North Carolina 08-06-00, Atlanta, Georgia 08-07-00,West Palm Beach, Florida 08-09-00,West Palm Beach, Florida 08-10-00,Tampa, Florida 08-12-00,New Orleans, Louisiana 08-14-00,Memphis, Tennessee 08-15-00,Nashville, Tennessee 08-17-00, Noblesville, Indiana 08-18-00,Cincinnati, Ohio 08-20-00,Columbus, Ohio 08-21-00, Wantagh, New York 08-23-00, Wantagh, New York 08-24-00,Wantagh, New York 08-25-00, Saratoga Springs, New York 08-27-00,Mansfield, Massachusetts 08-29-00,Mansfield, Massachusetts 08-30-00,Camden, New Jersey 09-01-00,Camden, New Jersey 09-02-00,Columbia, Maryland 09-04-00,Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 09-05-00,Auburn Hills, Michigan 10-07-00, East Troy, Wisconsin 10-08-00,Chicago, Illinois 10-09-00,Cleveland, Ohio 04-25-03,Columbus, Ohio 06-24-03,Kitchener, ON 09-11-05, London, ON 9-12-05,Hamilton, ON 9-13-05,Cincinnati, Ohio 06-24-06, Chicago, Illinois 7-19-13, Cincinnati, Ohio 10-01-14, St. Louis, Missouri 10-03-14, Memphis, Tennessee 10-14-14,Detroit, Michigan 10-16-14, Moline, Illinois 10-17-14, Columbia SC 4-21-16 , Lexington KY 4-26-16, Philadelphia PA 4-28-16, Philadelphia PA 4-29-16, Boston 8-5-16 , Boston 8-7-16 Chicago 8-20-16, Chicago 8-22-16, Seattle 8-8-18, Seattle 8-10-18, Missoula 8-13-18, Chicago 8-18-18, Chicago 8-20-18, Boston 9-2-18, Boston 9-4-18
  • NewJPage
    NewJPage Posts: 3,320
    wecrazybob said:
    Can any one clarify EXACTLY which tracks will NOT be on the vinyl?
    It's right on the product page
    6/26/98, 8/17/00, 10/8/00, 12/8/02, 12/9/02, 4/25/03, 5/28/03, 6/1/03, 6/3/03, 6/5/03, 6/6/03, 6/12/03, 6/13/03, 6/15/03, 6/18/03, 6/21/03, 6/22/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03, 10/3/04, 10/5/04, 9/9/05, 9/11/05, 9/16/05, 5/16/06, 5/17/06, 5/19/06, 6/30/06, 7/23/06, 8/5/07, 6/30/08, 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 5/4/10, 5/7/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/11/13, 10/17/14, 8/20/16
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    wecrazybob said:
    Can any one clarify EXACTLY which tracks will NOT be on the vinyl?
    Digital Tracks:

    Everyday People
    Let My Love Open the Door
    Better Man
    Rearviewmirror
    Black
    Blood
    Yellow Ledbetter
    ___________________________________________

    "...I changed by not changing at all..."
  • Zod
    Zod Posts: 10,901
    edited July 2017
    tbergs said:
    The reality is that many of these old shows are probably incomplete just like Soldier Field and we may only be able to get partially complete shows, so what's better, a partial excellent mixed bootleg or nothing at all? It seems we have gotten a bit greedy. I'm bummed the whole show isn't available for the LP, but excited they are finally making this one official. This and Australia get the most playing from 95 for me besides the end of the tour US dates that are pretty good quality. I'm curious to hear how much difference there will be since I actually thought the bootleg out there sounds pretty damn good, especially with all the crowd noise.

    There's a pretty good chance most of these old shows will be missing tracks, so anyone wishing for Randal's, Indio, Oakland or whatever may be disappointed unless we change our view on what we get.

    As for shipping prices, sorry to all those in the international zones. That really sucks.
    I had always assumed the band had recorded the majority of their shows, but maybe that's not the case (I'm not sure where I read that they had).   If they didn't maybe you are right.  Maybe the pre '98 soundboards are fewer and more far between than we thought?

    Either that or the technology at the time cause various f'ups during the recording process and left songs incomplete (tape flips maybe?)
    Post edited by Zod on
  • Brisk.
    Brisk. Posts: 11,578
    Why is the full thing not on Vinyl. Seems pointless to me.
  • Dr. Delight
    Dr. Delight Posts: 11,210
    So, was the description changed or is PJ Soul out of her mind?
    And so you see, I have come to doubt
    All that I once held as true
    I stand alone without beliefs
    The only truth I know is you.
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,117
    I so wanted to hear that nearly 10 minute version of blood on vinyl.  Love the show but I am bummed that it's incomplete.  
    Can someone please make a bootleg vinyl copy of randall's 2 and sell it all over the place?  Then the ten club will have no other option than to sell an official one lol.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    edited July 2017
    Dr. Delight said:
    So, was the description changed or is PJ Soul out of her mind?
    Good question. I am pretty sure I'm not..... I dunno - I could have sworn I read something else that gave me the impression that the whole thing would be on vinyl, but it's unsettling to see people claiming otherwise, lol. Maybe I read it somewhere else and forgot where i was looking. If so, then my bad. :tongue:
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • PP193448
    PP193448 Here Posts: 4,282
    Dr. Delight said:
    So, was the description changed or is PJ Soul out of her mind?

    Better watch out with those comments... :nuh_uh:  She's gonna come after you...  :fearful:
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  • Santos L. Halper
    Santos L. Halper Posts: 1,923
    PJ_Soul said:
    Dr. Delight said:
    So, was the description changed or is PJ Soul out of her mind?
    Good question. I am pretty sure I'm not..... I dunno - I could have sworn I read something else that gave me the impression that the whole thing would be on vinyl, but it's unsettling to see people claiming otherwise, lol. Maybe I read it somewhere else and forgot where i was looking. If so, then my bad. :tongue:
    Description has not changed since item was made active.
    slh
  • RoleModelsinBlood31
    RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,239
    I'm happy and of course will buy it but just figured I'd throw out my thoughts here:

    the Dead are releasing complete shows from way back in '77 that were recorded reel to reel back in the day and sound incredible yet PJ are releasing incomplete shows from 18 years later that already existed on vinyl so they can attack bootleggers?  Wtf?! 

    We all wait and wait for months and months giving show ideas and our wishes and then they release a show that yes, is in fact a must have, but already available and fucking incomplete? Blows my mind.  Only PJ.

    my 2 requests:

    1- PJ please let's skip ahead in the vault series-, past this anti-bootlegging vault 7 (like vault 4 was too) and do a preorder next month for a vault 8 that is COMPLETE for once and not widely available.  That is what the VAULT is supposed to be, right? Something special that you've kept hidden away in the, well... vault?!

    2- schedule a live chat online with someone from the band, the fans and 10c where our questions and input can get heard by those who make the decisions.  If most of the 95-96 shows are incomplete, LET US KNOW and we'd understand!  If the sound quality is only great on a handful of shows, we'd understand!  As far as we know, you have close to 1000 shows you could put on vinyl, yet you keep picking incomplete ones and ones that some idiot out there has attempted to bootleg.
    I'm like an opening band for your mom.
  • texasistheSTEVEN
    texasistheSTEVEN Posts: 1,111
    If you had said to me a few years back that Pearl Jam would release loads of old shows on LP, kinda like the Grateful Dead do, then I would have bitten your hand off to get copies and been so excited about the whole thing.

    Fast forward to 2017 and the way they are dealt with and the pricing for non-US citizens just doesn't make me excited and means I have given up buying them.

    Such a shame as the idea was brilliant but the delivery of the product has really lacked something. Incomplete shows and months late postage (or no-show at all in my case).

    Dealing with third man records was such a joy when they did the PJ thing and it shows how good the vault series could be.


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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    edited July 2017
    Santos L. Halper said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Dr. Delight said:
    So, was the description changed or is PJ Soul out of her mind?
    Good question. I am pretty sure I'm not..... I dunno - I could have sworn I read something else that gave me the impression that the whole thing would be on vinyl, but it's unsettling to see people claiming otherwise, lol. Maybe I read it somewhere else and forgot where i was looking. If so, then my bad. :tongue:
    Description has not changed since item was made active.
    slh
    Well then fuck me, I guess I read it elsewhere - wish I knew where, because I want to prove to people that I actually read something and didn't make it all up out of thin air, lol. Sorry everyone! That's embarrassing.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,117
    PJ_Soul said:
    Santos L. Halper said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Dr. Delight said:
    So, was the description changed or is PJ Soul out of her mind?
    Good question. I am pretty sure I'm not..... I dunno - I could have sworn I read something else that gave me the impression that the whole thing would be on vinyl, but it's unsettling to see people claiming otherwise, lol. Maybe I read it somewhere else and forgot where i was looking. If so, then my bad. :tongue:
    Description has not changed since item was made active.
    slh
    Well then fuck me, I guess I read it elsewhere - wish I knew where, because I want to prove to people that I actually read something and didn't make it all up out of thin air, lol. Sorry everyone! That's embarrassing.
    see Allie, once you hit 40 your memory is shot.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......

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