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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Tremor Christ! 

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/340732-dems-try-new-slogan-have-you-seen-the-other-guys?

    Democrats 2018
    "Rigging the primary is so 2016"
    or
    Democrats 2018
    "but...but the debate questions"
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    What about democrats that don't want single payer?  Am I a sellout?  
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    mrussel1 said:
    What about democrats that don't want single payer?  Am I a sellout?  
    not at all. likely a sell out due to your position on political contributions, dark money, and corporations = humans. 
  • Gtilley8
    Gtilley8 Detroit Posts: 985
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    What about democrats that don't want single payer?  Am I a sellout?  
    not at all. likely a sell out due to your position on political contributions, dark money, and corporations = humans. 
    So, were you with Bernie, or that person popular with many PJ fans that sat at the same table as Flynn and Putin?  I can't really tell, and I'm not reading more than one page of your comments.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    What about democrats that don't want single payer?  Am I a sellout?  
    not at all. likely a sell out due to your position on political contributions, dark money, and corporations = humans. 
    You think you know something about my positions, but yet you know nothing.  Second, evidently you have your own little litmus test on what makes a Democrat.  This is quite interesting because your pre and post election posts seem to be more Trumpist in nature.  Although I suspect you are truly a Leninist...You are against anything/anyone in power.  Perhaps you are just "against" in perpetuity.  

    So tell me the litmus test... how many boxes do I have to check before I'm a Democrat?  
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    mrussel1 said:
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    What about democrats that don't want single payer?  Am I a sellout?  
    not at all. likely a sell out due to your position on political contributions, dark money, and corporations = humans. 
    You think you know something about my positions, but yet you know nothing.  Second, evidently you have your own little litmus test on what makes a Democrat.  This is quite interesting because your pre and post election posts seem to be more Trumpist in nature.  Although I suspect you are truly a Leninist...You are against anything/anyone in power.  Perhaps you are just "against" in perpetuity.  

    So tell me the litmus test... how many boxes do I have to check before I'm a Democrat?  
    my bad, must have you confused with someone else.
    not sure where your getting litmus tests from but it's obvious from Cal democrats that they only put forth single payer so it would be vetoed by republicans. now that they have full control they squash single payer as directed by their corporate paymasters. disingenuous to their constituents loyal to $.
    btw...I didn't accuse of you being a Democrat.
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Gtilley8 said:
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    What about democrats that don't want single payer?  Am I a sellout?  
    not at all. likely a sell out due to your position on political contributions, dark money, and corporations = humans. 
    So, were you with Bernie, or that person popular with many PJ fans that sat at the same table as Flynn and Putin?  I can't really tell, and I'm not reading more than one page of your comments.
    was never a huge Bernie fan, pegged him as a sellout long before his presidential run. speaking of litmus tests, a good litmus test for any politician is their position or better yet, changing position on Israel Palestine.
    I was hard core ABC from day 1. I would have voted a dead carcass before Hillary. I supported Jill Stein up until a few weeks before the election.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Free said:
    It's worth listening to, or watching Cornell West on Democracy Now talking about the state of the party. His statement was along the lines of, preaching about moral superiority while privatizing based on who puts money in Democrats' pockets, using the military to resolve crises as a first choice, and suppressing political dissidents shows hypocrisy and portrays a morally bankrupt party. There was much more meaningful detail that I think everyone on here would find interesting and valid.
    I saw that too, pretty interesting. http://m.democracynow.org/stories/16878
    Both Bernie & Dr West are 100% correct... 
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    JC29856 said:
    Gtilley8 said:
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    What about democrats that don't want single payer?  Am I a sellout?  
    not at all. likely a sell out due to your position on political contributions, dark money, and corporations = humans. 
    So, were you with Bernie, or that person popular with many PJ fans that sat at the same table as Flynn and Putin?  I can't really tell, and I'm not reading more than one page of your comments.
    was never a huge Bernie fan, pegged him as a sellout long before his presidential run. speaking of litmus tests, a good litmus test for any politician is their position or better yet, changing position on Israel Palestine.
    I was hard core ABC from day 1. I would have voted a dead carcass before Hillary. I supported Jill Stein up until a few weeks before the election.
    That's great.  Who did you vote for then?

  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Instead of looking Red, Dems should look within!

    https://theintercept.com/2017/07/06/mark-penn-centrist-neoliberal-democrats-profits-donald-trump-republicans/
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    JC29856 said:
    Gtilley8 said:
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    What about democrats that don't want single payer?  Am I a sellout?  
    not at all. likely a sell out due to your position on political contributions, dark money, and corporations = humans. 
    So, were you with Bernie, or that person popular with many PJ fans that sat at the same table as Flynn and Putin?  I can't really tell, and I'm not reading more than one page of your comments.
    was never a huge Bernie fan, pegged him as a sellout long before his presidential run. speaking of litmus tests, a good litmus test for any politician is their position or better yet, changing position on Israel Palestine.
    I was hard core ABC from day 1. I would have voted a dead carcass before Hillary. I supported Jill Stein up until a few weeks before the election.
    That's great.  Who did you vote for then?

    Carlin!

    https://youtu.be/cKUaqFzZLxU
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    JC29856 said:
    Instead of looking Red, Dems should look within!

    https://theintercept.com/2017/07/06/mark-penn-centrist-neoliberal-democrats-profits-donald-trump-republicans/

    JC29856 said:
    Instead of looking Red, Dems should look within!

    https://theintercept.com/2017/07/06/mark-penn-centrist-neoliberal-democrats-profits-donald-trump-republicans/
    the problem according to mark penn is dems are too far left, his recommendation? move to the center.

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/06/opinion/center-democrats-identity-politics.html

    Mark Penn oldy/goody
    http://www.thecrimson.com/article/1973/10/26/impeachbut-with-care-pbtbhe-call-for/
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    edited July 2017
    JC29856 said:
    Gtilley8 said:
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    What about democrats that don't want single payer?  Am I a sellout?  
    not at all. likely a sell out due to your position on political contributions, dark money, and corporations = humans. 
    So, were you with Bernie, or that person popular with many PJ fans that sat at the same table as Flynn and Putin?  I can't really tell, and I'm not reading more than one page of your comments.
    was never a huge Bernie fan, pegged him as a sellout long before his presidential run. speaking of litmus tests, a good litmus test for any politician is their position or better yet, changing position on Israel Palestine.
    I was hard core ABC from day 1. I would have voted a dead carcass before Hillary. I supported Jill Stein up until a few weeks before the election.
    Good for you for being anyone but Clinton.  Now we have Trump and a complete crony administration.  Good thinking there Mr. Liberal.  Since you support single payer, do you think we're closer to that today than we were in Oct '16?  Do you think Trump is more likely to support and push for that or Trump?
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    mrussel1 said:
    JC29856 said:
    Gtilley8 said:
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    What about democrats that don't want single payer?  Am I a sellout?  
    not at all. likely a sell out due to your position on political contributions, dark money, and corporations = humans. 
    So, were you with Bernie, or that person popular with many PJ fans that sat at the same table as Flynn and Putin?  I can't really tell, and I'm not reading more than one page of your comments.
    was never a huge Bernie fan, pegged him as a sellout long before his presidential run. speaking of litmus tests, a good litmus test for any politician is their position or better yet, changing position on Israel Palestine.
    I was hard core ABC from day 1. I would have voted a dead carcass before Hillary. I supported Jill Stein up until a few weeks before the election.
    Good for you for being anyone but Clinton.  Now we have Trump and a complete crony administration.  Good thinking there Mr. Liberal.  
    For months I posted just how flawed your candidate was, long before most knew the name podesta, or obsessed over leaks and hacks.
    Who are the next leaders in the party now? Booker, Harris, Cuomo?
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JC29856 said:
    Gtilley8 said:
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    What about democrats that don't want single payer?  Am I a sellout?  
    not at all. likely a sell out due to your position on political contributions, dark money, and corporations = humans. 
    So, were you with Bernie, or that person popular with many PJ fans that sat at the same table as Flynn and Putin?  I can't really tell, and I'm not reading more than one page of your comments.
    was never a huge Bernie fan, pegged him as a sellout long before his presidential run. speaking of litmus tests, a good litmus test for any politician is their position or better yet, changing position on Israel Palestine.
    I was hard core ABC from day 1. I would have voted a dead carcass before Hillary. I supported Jill Stein up until a few weeks before the election.
    Good for you for being anyone but Clinton.  Now we have Trump and a complete crony administration.  Good thinking there Mr. Liberal.  
    For months I posted just how flawed your candidate was, long before most knew the name podesta, or obsessed over leaks and hacks.
    Who are the next leaders in the party now? Booker, Harris, Cuomo?
    No one argued that she was the best possibole candidate.  The question is who is the better choice in the general.  Not voting for Clinton is the same as voting for Trump if done by a Democrat.  Since you are in PA, you hold some level of responsibility for the chaos, drama and regressive policies in place today.  Like I posted above.. if you like single payer, well then you're further away today than you were 8 months ago.  Cut off your nose to spite your face perhaps?
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JC29856 said:
    Gtilley8 said:
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    What about democrats that don't want single payer?  Am I a sellout?  
    not at all. likely a sell out due to your position on political contributions, dark money, and corporations = humans. 
    So, were you with Bernie, or that person popular with many PJ fans that sat at the same table as Flynn and Putin?  I can't really tell, and I'm not reading more than one page of your comments.
    was never a huge Bernie fan, pegged him as a sellout long before his presidential run. speaking of litmus tests, a good litmus test for any politician is their position or better yet, changing position on Israel Palestine.
    I was hard core ABC from day 1. I would have voted a dead carcass before Hillary. I supported Jill Stein up until a few weeks before the election.
    Good for you for being anyone but Clinton.  Now we have Trump and a complete crony administration.  Good thinking there Mr. Liberal.  
    For months I posted just how flawed your candidate was, long before most knew the name podesta, or obsessed over leaks and hacks.
    Who are the next leaders in the party now? Booker, Harris, Cuomo?
    most. qualified. candidate. ever.
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    mrussel1 said:
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JC29856 said:
    Gtilley8 said:
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    What about democrats that don't want single payer?  Am I a sellout?  
    not at all. likely a sell out due to your position on political contributions, dark money, and corporations = humans. 
    So, were you with Bernie, or that person popular with many PJ fans that sat at the same table as Flynn and Putin?  I can't really tell, and I'm not reading more than one page of your comments.
    was never a huge Bernie fan, pegged him as a sellout long before his presidential run. speaking of litmus tests, a good litmus test for any politician is their position or better yet, changing position on Israel Palestine.
    I was hard core ABC from day 1. I would have voted a dead carcass before Hillary. I supported Jill Stein up until a few weeks before the election.
    Good for you for being anyone but Clinton.  Now we have Trump and a complete crony administration.  Good thinking there Mr. Liberal.  
    For months I posted just how flawed your candidate was, long before most knew the name podesta, or obsessed over leaks and hacks.
    Who are the next leaders in the party now? Booker, Harris, Cuomo?
    No one argued that she was the best possibole candidate.  The question is who is the better choice in the general.  Not voting for Clinton is the same as voting for Trump if done by a Democrat.  Since you are in PA, you hold some level of responsibility for the chaos, drama and regressive policies in place today.  Like I posted above.. if you like single payer, well then you're further away today than you were 8 months ago.  Cut off your nose to spite your face perhaps?
    I actually voted trump in a vote swap. As dumb as I am, I'm smart enough to know that money in politics will never let single payer happen. If California democrats won't allow for a public option, no way, never we will see single payer nationally.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JC29856 said:
    Gtilley8 said:
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    What about democrats that don't want single payer?  Am I a sellout?  
    not at all. likely a sell out due to your position on political contributions, dark money, and corporations = humans. 
    So, were you with Bernie, or that person popular with many PJ fans that sat at the same table as Flynn and Putin?  I can't really tell, and I'm not reading more than one page of your comments.
    was never a huge Bernie fan, pegged him as a sellout long before his presidential run. speaking of litmus tests, a good litmus test for any politician is their position or better yet, changing position on Israel Palestine.
    I was hard core ABC from day 1. I would have voted a dead carcass before Hillary. I supported Jill Stein up until a few weeks before the election.
    Good for you for being anyone but Clinton.  Now we have Trump and a complete crony administration.  Good thinking there Mr. Liberal.  
    For months I posted just how flawed your candidate was, long before most knew the name podesta, or obsessed over leaks and hacks.
    Who are the next leaders in the party now? Booker, Harris, Cuomo?
    No one argued that she was the best possibole candidate.  The question is who is the better choice in the general.  Not voting for Clinton is the same as voting for Trump if done by a Democrat.  Since you are in PA, you hold some level of responsibility for the chaos, drama and regressive policies in place today.  Like I posted above.. if you like single payer, well then you're further away today than you were 8 months ago.  Cut off your nose to spite your face perhaps?
    I actually voted trump in a vote swap. As dumb as I am, I'm smart enough to know that money in politics will never let single payer happen. If California democrats won't allow for a public option, no way, never we will see single payer nationally.
    Okay so I guess you are anti-choice, anti-EPA, anti-LBGT among other things too.  You must be to do a "vote swap" with someone which makes no fucking sense in the world.  
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JC29856 said:
    Gtilley8 said:
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    What about democrats that don't want single payer?  Am I a sellout?  
    not at all. likely a sell out due to your position on political contributions, dark money, and corporations = humans. 
    So, were you with Bernie, or that person popular with many PJ fans that sat at the same table as Flynn and Putin?  I can't really tell, and I'm not reading more than one page of your comments.
    was never a huge Bernie fan, pegged him as a sellout long before his presidential run. speaking of litmus tests, a good litmus test for any politician is their position or better yet, changing position on Israel Palestine.
    I was hard core ABC from day 1. I would have voted a dead carcass before Hillary. I supported Jill Stein up until a few weeks before the election.
    Good for you for being anyone but Clinton.  Now we have Trump and a complete crony administration.  Good thinking there Mr. Liberal.  
    For months I posted just how flawed your candidate was, long before most knew the name podesta, or obsessed over leaks and hacks.
    Who are the next leaders in the party now? Booker, Harris, Cuomo?
    Why do you care?  You'll probably just vote for a conservative trainwreck because the Den candidate doesn't meet your radical standards anyways.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    rgambs said:
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JC29856 said:
    Gtilley8 said:
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    What about democrats that don't want single payer?  Am I a sellout?  
    not at all. likely a sell out due to your position on political contributions, dark money, and corporations = humans. 
    So, were you with Bernie, or that person popular with many PJ fans that sat at the same table as Flynn and Putin?  I can't really tell, and I'm not reading more than one page of your comments.
    was never a huge Bernie fan, pegged him as a sellout long before his presidential run. speaking of litmus tests, a good litmus test for any politician is their position or better yet, changing position on Israel Palestine.
    I was hard core ABC from day 1. I would have voted a dead carcass before Hillary. I supported Jill Stein up until a few weeks before the election.
    Good for you for being anyone but Clinton.  Now we have Trump and a complete crony administration.  Good thinking there Mr. Liberal.  
    For months I posted just how flawed your candidate was, long before most knew the name podesta, or obsessed over leaks and hacks.
    Who are the next leaders in the party now? Booker, Harris, Cuomo?
    Why do you care?  You'll probably just vote for a conservative trainwreck because the Den candidate doesn't meet your radical standards anyways.
    Exactly... Leninist...

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